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Well, there is one constant. From US to Europe everyone is openly and secretly embargoing Turkiye. A strong Turkiye is for none of them in their interest. France is already crying about Africa. Turkiye arming all the countries that the west try to keep down is absolutely not in their interest

Naval operational needs do not fall from the sky. Pretending that Type-23's are suddenly urgent need is just silly. We have enough capacity to build ships, we are building ships for Pakistan, Ukraine but do not have room to build ships for our own navy? Bogus. Yes we did have delays due to...

1) Do you know what ruined the Turkish defense industry in the 50'ties when entering Nato? Free materials (nothing is for free, just a means to destroy your defense industry and enslave you) 2) The ships have to be modernized to fit Turkish doctrine, Genesis advent combat management upgrade at...

“Once they are delivered, the upgrades and the modernisation of command and control systems would take at least 18 months to two years,” the source added. I can't imagine that our navy is even considering this crap. Supose taking into service: 6 - 12 months command and control system: 18 - 24...

Yes but the IP rights of volvo engine which is a version of the F404 belongs to Sweden

Ge transferred tech to the Swedish Volvo, that is used in the Gripen fighter jet

?? F119 is from Pratt & Whitney not from UK!

Sure, we always have the risk of embargo on our back. Difference between US and Europe is that Europe only can rely on embargo(es) and we are just handing them over the stick (ironically paid with our own billions) We have to bank on drones so much that embargoes won't have effect anymore...

Bro, we do not disagree on strengthening Turkiye, on the contrary. Just EF2000 is not the way, it will be a weakening factor because we become so prone to sanctions and deterrence gets nullified. You do not have to describe how treacherous Europe is, I live there! Europe will only be deterred...

Well I truly hope our MOD does not make the stupidity of the century to buy those EF2000, dealing with Europe will be ten times worse than US. Billions for tincans we won't be able to use All we do will be handing over Europe a big stick to hit us (with sanctions): - you are drilling in Cyprus...

Who includes them? US? Yeah they can, since their own companies produce them. Name me one country who goes for 5th generation and includes also new purchases of 4th generation. Israel is the only one going for F15EX and that is because of the range, do we get more range with EF above F16...

First of all Greece we do not need extra aircraft for that, we can completely disassemble Greece with drones (Kizilelma, TISU) Secondly what is the EU gonna do, with every straining, crisis (I am not even talking about a war yet) we get EU sanctions and you won't be able to use EF2000 due to...

And put a bullet into the MMU project We cannot even upgrade the F16's and dreams are there to upgrade EF2000. Allah may save us

1) Yes, but we do not have only MMU, we have also Hurjet, Kizilelma, TISU. Getting Eurofighter is not the solution, it's a burden (not only technically but also politically as we know our European friends and their love for sanctions. Don't give them the means!) Suppose we buy today, than it...

Even if we consider all that true (a bit harsh) than again, Greece has no land forces nor a reliable navy to prevent big losses against Turkiye. They just invest in the air force to have a bit deterrence against us (not the other way around)

You simply don't do bazaar tactics from government to government, this is not a bazaar! Who is politicizing it, you talk about it! Pure technically, it is utmost stupid to go for 30 year old ships and we also do not need eurofighters with all the European snub that will come along. There will...

We truly do not need enemies, as we are our own worst enemy. Nobody else can weaken the Turkish army as we are trying. News of late make me really worry, what does it mean to get 30 year old British warships? What does it mean to buy 4th generation fighter jets while everyone else are retiring...

Terrible if true! Total waste of money on 4th generation aircraft

Dumbest thing to do to buy those old ships, ultimate crap

I wish I could answer that but I am not a naval admiral to know in detail the state and needs of our navy. There are two things: 1 Technical aspect I rather see our own indigenous ships than any other ship in our navy 2 Operational aspect, what are the things that we civilians do not get to...