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Exactly designing and modeling nowadays of complex aircraft with simulation models is so much easier and faster (not that it is easy but todays computational power makes the design process of jets go faster with less teetering problems)

What happened with the Leopard 2A4 modernization. Is BMC that bad that they can't even deliver a modernization? Ethem de birakti kaçti

Majority shares would probably

The radar has a liquid cooling system. I do not think heating will be the problem but generating enough power. The British develop an entire new engine setup for their 6th generation fighter just because this power generation is very important with all the electronics But we do not know...

Bikinlik geldi valla, BMC varsa içinde kalsin! No more BMC tanks please!

Seithan hit the nail directly on the head. Jewish lobby is the keyword. The anti Israeli personal stance of Erdogan is 90% of the issue.

It's a stopgap. It won't be enough anyway. Only MMU would change something for Turkey

Lol there you are indeed right, F4 is 3rd generation. Point is that at this moment you should not think about introducing another 4th generation aircraft, unless it is a platform you make yourself like Hurjet where you have all the rights and implementation possibilities. The best is to stick...

I would know how to handle you but you should not mistake this forum for WAFF where there is no moderation and rules at all where trolls can highjack the whole purpose of the forum. Stay within the rules of the forum, don't make it a mess for others.

We have / had too We have F4 and F16 remember? But now that 5th generation aircraft are out, would it not be an Einstein deed to introduce another 4th generation?

Introduction of a new type 4th generation fighter jet is probably the dumbest that we can do (unless it is our own product like Hurjet)

IMO we do not even need 40 new F16's. Upgrade the blk 30/40 to Özgür level (close to blk 70), this will take several years approx to 2025, by that time also blk 50 will be old enough to modify the plane at will. Upgrade those to Özgür+. Around 2026-27 most likely the light fighter jet of...

That's why I like to have a clear answer on whether our blk 50's still require US permission, if yes till when? Seems that nobody can answer this for sure and nobody strangely is asking Ismail Demir in all those interviews he is giving.

On the contrary, Ozgur project is ready and prototype F16-Ozgur has been on tests for a long time (only the AESA radar of Aselsan is / was not ready yet) It is not for nothing that 35 blok 30's get their structural upgrade prior to serial özgür upgrade

With alternatives I should express myself better. I did not mean alternative foreign fighter jets, there it is not worth to face the logistical nightmare to introduce Su-35 / eurofighter, Rafale or Gripen. I meant what is our alternative to upgrade the F16's with Ozgur project on our own. If...

What are our alternatives? Let's think of worst case and US is not selling F16blk 70 and blk 70 upgrade kits, than what? What are our options? Can we upgrade the Blk 30 and blk 40 planes with Ozgur? = ~130 F16's In how far are we dependent? Can't we replace the complete software of the F16...

I don't know about others but for me this feels like an unfortunate defeat, to go and ask the US. Leaves a very bitter taste. I almost hope the US will decline, am sick of this US dependency.

Well also all the specs are one on one, very representative I would say https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WB_Electronics_Warmate

Is Havelsan selling the Polish warmate drone?

LOL, I should have read a little bit back. Now I see that Ibrahim Sunnetçi proposed the same (aklin yolu birdir)