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Agree, but the best way to save money is making some systems modular. Use those modules when you are at war, in peace time no need. I mentioned only Milgem, but any other ship that has Genesis and 3D radar: LST, LHD, patrol boats, FAC's etc. could be equipped in time of need with an air defense...

Yes it would require some fixation integration on the deck but it's worth it I think Most ships do not see any war in their lifetime. Ships like Milgem have no VLS to keep the ship lowcost, but if prepared to be container launcher ready you'd have ships that have much higher survivability in...

If containers are placed on the helipad you're right, but if placed behind the main cannon it won't hinder helicopters

A while ago there were tests with artillery missiles from boats. Do we or should we have a program to make container launchers for AD missiles? Most of our ships have now the Genesis command system, how about making the ships AD missile ready? Ships like Milgem for instance do not have AD...

Our test range with Russian AD radars paid of, proven her worth enabling our engineers to develop systems to beat them. And you are right about Armenia, all of their systems are pretty dated mostly 80'ties stuff and radars that were not designed against small slow objects with low RCS. If you...

And yes Hurjet in these roles could also be, but still we'd need airborne radars (more than the 4 peace eagles)

I was not thinking about the AESA light radar that Akinci is supposed to get, but a big new radar with considerable range carried in some way by aksungur or Akinci. (kinda like UAV AWACS)

Communication should not be a problem, cos modern link systems enable shooting of a missile from platform A but being guided by platform B I think our biggest handicap is airborne radars, we have only 4 peace eagle platforms. We should think about flying radars (mounted on UCAV's) For...

Tubitak is working on ramjet engine. If everything goes well Roketsan can develop AA missiles with ramjet in several years. I was wondering how much the combination of ramjet missile on Akinci UCAV would help our air defenses We have the classical thought of fast jet with missile in our mind...

mistery is called stealth, composite body. Same with the Harop

You miss the basic point, yes towed sonar can be use but towed sonar is usually used for tracking / hunting submarines. In normal use a ship does not lay out the towed sonar. In normal use the hull mounted sonar functions all the time. Especially in battle situations who is going to give you...

I lost you, what has Atmaca to do with the hull mounted sonar on MMSC? You probably mean AKYA torpedo. So Greek motto is we do not need SONAR because Turkey has to go for an all out war. Great planning, what can I say :)

What you say I can agree for the Aegean, which is mostly shallow and I concur that hull mounted sonar has less effect to none. But what about Mediterranean? Are Greeks planning to stay out of the Mediterranean?

What do you guys think of the MMSC? Overall it is good, kinda like our I-class. There is one particular item that the MMSC lacks: hull mounted sonar As you know the LCS (now renamed to MMSC) is designed on US specs for US coast and actually more used as OPV than real frigate while it initially...

Ok, tell me also why TB2 and Harop were so successfull and not other types of drones that are equally slow

It won't be exact of course but pretty close. The RCS values of F22 is for instance even for X-band radars a problem and that makes the F22 so unique, otherwise technologically the F35 is much much more modern and advanced.

Not really, F35 is much bigger and heavier. Yet is has a much smaller RCS

EW is a good theorie but unlikely IMO, reason is that Pantsirs in Libya were destroyed at distances that are unlikely for Turkish EW to have any effect. Secondly most TB2 downing's occurred in Tripolis when the drone was ascending or descending for take off and landing coming into the range of...

I want to discuss a little bit about the success of drones like TB2 and Israeli Harop. As lately Azerbaijan used these drone very successfully against Russian type airdefense systems like OSA, TOR-M2 and even S-300. The biggest enabler of these drones were their "stealth" low radar cross...