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  1. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    You are right on the compressor stages. The article referenced additional stages as a potential avenue for thrust growth, but in fairness it did not account for the engineering costs that come with it: increased aerodynamic losses, added weight, and greater mechanical complexity. These factors...
  2. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    A note on revisions: Parts 3, 4, 8, 9, and 10 have been updated based on feedback from this thread. The most significant change is in the propulsion section. The original article proposed scaling the TF6000 core and reducing its bypass ratio to produce a higher-thrust derivative. Dear Yasar_TR...
  3. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    You are right, and I should correct my earlier comparisn. F404 to F414 thrust increase was not achieved purely through internal redesign within an identical envelope. The fan grew from roughly 27 inches to around 30 to 32 inches, which is the primary driver of the increased airflow and...
  4. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Scaling down KAAN sounds intuitive but runs into hard physical constraints that do not scale. The internal weapons bay must fit real missiles with fixed dimensions, you cannot shrink a bay below the length and diameter of a BVR weapon. The cockpit does not scale either, the human inside is a...
  5. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Üstad, you raise a fair point as always, and on reflection, the TF6000/10000 as officially planned by TEI, delivering 10,000 lbf with afterburner, may in fact be sufficient for the baseline configuration without core scaling. Two TF10000s deliver 20,000 lbf combined, which at a managed combat...
  6. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Part 10 (Revised): Conclusion This study began with a straightforward question: can the HÜRJET platform, combined with an indigenous engine derived from TEI's TF6000 core, be evolved into a twin-engine naval fighter capable of operating from MUGEM within a relevant timeframe? The answer, based...
  7. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Part 8: Comparative Positioning: Where HÜRJET-X Sits in the Market Evaluating any new combat aircraft concept requires placing it alongside existing and planned alternatives, not to declare a winner but to understand what specific niche the concept fills and whether that niche represents a...
  8. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Part 6 (Revised) Weapons, Sensors, and the Stealth-Lite Proposition The weapons and sensor architecture of a fighter defines what it can actually do in combat. Thrust-to-weight ratio, range, and agility are prerequisites, but they are means to an end. The end is the ability to detect, identify...
  9. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    Part 3 (Revised) Propulsion: The TF6000/10000 and What It Delivers The engine question in this study has a simpler starting point than the original version of this section suggested. TEI's TF6000/10000 programme provides two defined configurations: a dry turbofan rated at 6,000 lbf, and an...
  10. dBSPL

    TR Twin-Engine HÜRJET: Could a TF6000-Derived Naval Variant Fill MUGEM's Fighter Gap?

    This is something many of us have kicked around in various threads over the years: what if HÜRJET went twin-engine? Not as a fantasy sketch, but as a serious engineering question. With MUGEM's first steel already cut in 2025 and acceptance trials presumably targeting 2032, the clock is ticking...
  11. dBSPL

    TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

    Diverging variants based on distinct customer needs and future engine alternatives is a standard defense industry practice. However, my argument is less about limiting options and more about "strategic prioritization." Even if we pursue multiple variants for export, building the baseline LCA...
  12. dBSPL

    TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

    My humble opinion is that expanding Hürjet into two distinct variants is an operational luxury; TAI should pursue a unified airframe architecture where the Hürjet-D and Hürjet LCA are the exact same aircraft. By baking STOBAR (naval) requirements into the baseline design, we can eliminate the...
  13. dBSPL

    TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

    Folding wings can cause a considerable weight penalty in a flying wing airframe. To this, let's add the need for corrosion-resistant and reinforced structures, as well as the possible need for landing gear reinforcement. I don't know if it's a benchmark, but if I remember correctly, the...
  14. dBSPL

    TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

    My amateur opinion and rough calculation suggest that the main reason for this expansion is indeed tailored for the 83-series bombs and guidance kits, as the primary constraint was physical length. Of course, until the exact internal dimensions of the IWBs are officially released, we can only...
  15. dBSPL

    TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

    The increase in the aircraft's MTOW appears to have increased both structural and fuel weight. In addition to the structural weight increase resulting from the dimensional growth, we can estimate that approximately 100-150 kg of this increase has gone towards additional fuel capacity thanks to...
  16. dBSPL

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Leaving aside the recent debates surrounding the Embraer C-390, I believe that, with a longer-term perspective, a strategic gap that could completely change the rules of the game could be targeted: Boeing closed its C-17 Globemaster production line years ago, and currently, the Western world...
  17. dBSPL

    TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

    It is essential to highlight an operational reality: Although the transition to 5th-generation aircraft has begun, the world's leading naval powers will rely on 4.5-generation platforms for at least another two decades. The US Navy, far from retiring its F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, is extending...
  18. dBSPL

    TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

    So the Turkish navy command will provide protection. Two more corvettes should be added to the order book. lol A strategic alignment with Algeria, primarily based on security and energy, can provide both countries with leverage far greater than anyone could have predicted.
  19. dBSPL

    TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

    If the basic specifications in the infographic are the result of consistent studies, Hürjet Naval may be the most advanced training jet currently under development. Actually, it is more than just a training jet, it is one step short of a ideal combatant jet, standing right in the middle...
  20. dBSPL

    TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

    IMHO, the size of the Air Force's combat fleet should be large enough to avoid ceding air superiority in contested theaters to the opposing side while fighting on two fronts(you know which fronts) simultaneously. Therefore, we need all types of combatant jets: F-16s, EFs, KAANs, even Hurjets...

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