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Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket is turning into a space policy disaster​


Now the Ariane 6 rocket is failing even its most basic task.​

Night time at a giant rocket hanger.


After much political wrangling among Germany, France, and Italy, the member governments of the European Space Agency formally decided to move ahead with development of the Ariane 6 rocket in December 2014.

A replacement rocket for the Ariane 5 was needed, European ministers decided, because of cost pressure from commercial upstarts like SpaceX and its Falcon 9 rocket. With the design of the Ariane 6, they envisioned a modernized version of the previous rocket, optimized for cost. Because Ariane 6 would use a modified Vulcan engine and other components from previous Ariane rockets, it was anticipated that the new rocket would debut in 2020.
European space policy, however, is every bit as political as that of the United States, if not more so. Member nations of Europe make financial allocations to the European Space Agency and expect roughly that amount of money in return in terms of space projects. So the development and production of Ariane 6 was spread across a number of nations under management of a large conglomerate, France-based ArianeGroup.

Parochial politics​

This approach combined the worst of the parochial politics that guide NASA funding in the United States with the sluggish activity of a traditional aerospace company accustomed to guaranteed contracts. Naturally, therefore, development of the project has lagged and gone over budget. As of this writing, the public date for the debut launch of Ariane 6 remains "late 2023," but the rocket's first flight will certainly slip into 2024. And its development budget has nearly doubled, to $4.4 billion.

That is a lot of time—nearly a decade—and money for Europe to develop what is essentially a poorer version of SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket. In the nine years since Europe began development of the Ariane 6 to compete with SpaceX, the Falcon 9 rocket has nearly doubled its payload capacity and become partially reusable, so it is now more capable and costs far less. It has also launched more than 215 times, which is nearly as many rockets as the Ariane program has launched since 1979. Because of this, the Falcon 9 is now extremely reliable and capable of launching on schedule.

So why is Europe developing a rocket that costs more than a Falcon 9 and is a decade late to the party? Because European nations desire independent access to space. This means that European nations can have their own way of putting their most valuable military and scientific satellites into space without having to rely on NASA, Russia, or the whims of American billionaires. This is a justifiable decision in light of geopolitical events that have cut off Europe's access to the Russian Soyuz rocket.

But the Ariane 6 rocket is now failing even at this, its most basic and important task. Politico reports that the European Commission—the executive arm of the European Union—is looking to buy rides on the Falcon 9 rocket due to ongoing delays in readiness of the Ariane 6 rocket.
In a draft request to the European Union, the publication reports, the European Commission plans to ask for a green light to negotiate "an ad-hoc security agreement" with the United States for its rocket companies to "exceptionally launch Galileo satellites." Galileo is a constellation of European satellites that provide global navigation services to Europe similar to the US Global Positioning System, or GPS. These are fairly large satellites, with a mass of about 700 kg, that are located in medium-Earth orbit.

Bad optics​

Previously, the European Commission has booked six launches on the Ariane 6 rocket to launch Galileo satellites—two in 2017 and an additional four in 2020—each carrying two satellites. Under the current plan, three of these missions are supposed to launch in 2023. There is no chance of that, of course. The first of these Galileo flights will not take place until after the debut flight of the Ariane 6, so likely not before the second half of 2024 at the earliest.

Apparently, the European Commission has seen enough Ariane 6 delays. The two US rockets capable of picking up the slack from a technical standpoint are SpaceX's Falcon 9 and United Launch Alliance's Vulcan rocket. The problem for Europe is that Vulcan is also running well behind its development curve. The vehicle's first launch is now planned for no earlier than this summer, and Vulcan has commitments to the US Department of Defense that will likely preclude taking on new commercial customers for a few years. That leaves only le Falcon Neuf.

For Europe, the optics of this are terrible, of course. Its commissioners created the Ariane 6 to compete with SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket. Now, a decade later, officials from the continent are going to have to negotiate with SpaceX for a ride to space for some of their most precious satellites—never mind that the cost is likely to be lower and that the Falcon 9 is the most reliable rocket in the world, with the lowest insurance costs. It's a bitter pill to swallow.
 

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What did happen in 2002?
Funny story actually. Its basically a rock/island that is like 200 meters from our mainland. 2-3 police/gendarmes went to the rock and started making food. The Spaniards actually claim this rock/island so they intervened militarily. Funny enough it ended up with Spain sending a frigate, 3 corvettes, submarines, F18, and special forces that ended up landing on the rock with a helicopter. The 2-3 police/gendarmes got released the same day.

Apart from that it seems like the Moroccan leadership staged all this since it would not make any sense for a couple of police men to go to the island just on their own desires, but it was more of a calculated step taken to see the response of the Spaniard since we still have the Sebta, and the mellila that is still occupied until this day inside the mainland of Morocco.
 

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Good to see that other countries have these kinds of reports and morons too.
Haha, you don't only find this in Greece, my friend. This is only on reportage but the news of the HIMARS was all over Spanish Media including the giants like for example "El Mundo". I think the history of Al-Andalus still haunts them to this day.
 

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Funny story actually. Its basically a rock/island that is like 200 meters from our mainland. 2-3 police/gendarmes went to the rock and started making food. The Spaniards actually claim this rock/island so they intervened militarily. Funny enough it ended up with Spain sending a frigate, 3 corvettes, submarines, F18, and special forces that ended up landing on the rock with a helicopter. The 2-3 police/gendarmes got released the same day.

Apart from that it seems like the Moroccan leadership staged all this since it would not make any sense for a couple of police men to go to the island just on their own desires, but it was more of a calculated step taken to see the response of the Spaniard since we still have the Sebta, and the mellila that is still occupied until this day inside the mainland of Morocco.

Hopefully you can take back Ceuta and Melila.
 

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Hopefully you can take back Ceuta and Melila.
Just a matter of time! They are small areas that not exceed 30 square km of land, but they are still our land. Spain could not do much if Morocco made a huge operation, and they are well aware of that. I would not exlude that this issue will resolved diplomatically. If i would guess then i would say that the Moroccan leadership is more intersted in restoring our old land in our souther provinces, and especially «eastern sahara».
 

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Just a matter of time! They are small areas that not exceed 30 square km of land, but they are still our land. Spain could not do much if Morocco made a huge operation, and they are well aware of that. I would not exlude that this issue will resolved diplomatically. If i would guess then i would say that the Moroccan leadership is more intersted in restoring our old land in our souther provinces, and especially «eastern sahara».

I'm on your side when it comes to those territories.
But saying that Spain couldn't do anything is very wrong.
How well would Spain perform vs. Morocco in an open conflict? Add in the factor of NATO and that's usually the end of the story.
 

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I'm on your side when it comes to those territories.
But saying that Spain couldn't do anything is very wrong.
How well would Spain perform vs. Morocco in an open conflict? Add in the factor of NATO and that's usually the end of the story.
I understand your concerns. Sebta and Mellila are part of the Moroccan mainland so any operation will not require us to invade from the seas like Spain. Spain does not have enough military personnel, and equipment to defend itself against any Moroccan invasion. Spain would have to go for an amphibious landing in the northern part of Morocco, and the distance between us is 14 km. You could consider it suicide, and Spain would lose heavy casualties.

At the end of the day, Sebta and Melilla don't exceed a total area of 40 square km. Sebta, and mellila are not included in Article 5 so no nato members will be obliged to side with Spain against Morocco. As I said it's a high possibility that we will resolve it with Spain without confronting them in a full-scale war. Our relations are good now but when our ties were bad for 2 years we shut down the borders making the economies in the cities suffocate. Morocco also is building the Nador port to work together with Tanger Med port which will even suffocate the trade in these cities more forcing Spain to invest more in these cities. Right now these 2 cities receive the least FDI of all regions in Spain. The population of the two occupied territories of Sebta and Melilla has been declining since 2016. The strategy of economic asphyxiation is bearing fruit.

 

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Well you never stop learning, I was not aware that both territories are not within NATO article 5 boundaries.
 

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Well you never stop learning, I was not aware that both territories are not within NATO article 5 boundaries.

Explains why Nato also did not defend Portugal when it came to Goa, Angola and Mozambique as they believed Colonies do not fall into Nato Article 5.
 

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"Agala"

Bu gerizekalilar amerikanlarin sjwlarin gerzek ideolojisini getiriyorlar.

Gece gunduz white male ve hristiyan onlara gece gunduz kufur ederler.

Ama gerizekalilar unutuyorlar Kurtlerde ve Araplarda cogu Sunni ama bi laf soylemezler cunku hepsi Turk dusmani.

Bunlara gore Turksen. Ermeni, Yunanlilar, Kurterleri ve Araplari eziyetediyorsun ve Sunni sen Alevileri ve Hristiyanlari eziyet ediyorsun.

Tam bi timarhane.
 

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