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While the analysis is of very low quality, it would be foolish to claim that the Israeli Air Force wouldn’t have total superiority over the Turkish Air Force in a conflict. We have the oldest jet fleet in our republic’s history. All of our first, second, third, and fourth-generation fighters entered service in the Turkish Air Force just 3-4 years after they were introduced in the USAF. We were supposed to have 5th-generation planes in our inventory by 2018, but now it’s estimated that we’ll have them in service by 2032-33 (optimistically). WE ARE 15 YEARS BEHIND. Total failure. We are the weakest we’ve ever been in the regional balance.
We will have to rely on SAM coverage to guard our national airspace for next 10 years.
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someone is advertising all project start dates as belonging to 80s and 70s.
The first national fighter jet aircraft and project started in 70s and 80s and we didn't know about it.
F16s started to arrive in 80s during Özal's term...
Has anyone seen a national jet fighter aircraft in 80s....
AKP government did not prevent them bureaucratically and paved the way.
The way for arms exports was also paved.
TUSAŞ and BAYRAKTAR family are producing ANKA 3 and KIZILELMA unmanned fighter aircraft with low RCS value AESA radar and A2A missile firing.
The first 3 KIZILELMA will be delivered this year. 12 are on the way next year.
As a defense industry follower, I am eagerly waiting for GÖKHAN missile.
If it has a 300 km flight range like AIM260 METEOR PL15, it has ramjet engine.
someone is advertising all project start dates as belonging to 80s and 70s.
The first national fighter jet aircraft and project started in 70s and 80s and we didn't know about it.
F16s started to arrive in 80s during Özal's term...
Has anyone seen a national jet fighter aircraft in 80s....
AKP government did not prevent them bureaucratically and paved the way.
The way for arms exports was also paved.
TUSAŞ and BAYRAKTAR family are producing ANKA 3 and KIZILELMA unmanned fighter aircraft with low RCS value AESA radar and A2A missile firing.
The first 3 KIZILELMA will be delivered this year. 12 are on the way next year.
As a defense industry follower, I am eagerly waiting for GÖKHAN missile.
If it has a 300 km flight range like AIM260 METEOR PL15, it has ramjet engine.
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This must be a fucking joke!
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Why? Cause he's young?
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No, because he is a young political scientist. Tubitak-SAGE is a hardcore research and development institute. Do you know how many hardcore veteran engineers at SAGE were waiting to be appointed to the office? Expect a lot of resignations from the institution. ASML can expect a surge in applications. This guy can't replace mister Gürcan Okumuş.
Lol, he also climbed ladders at a lightning-fast pace.
Think about it you started as an intern engineer, then junior engineer, senior engineer, chief engineer, project lead... You started from scratch and worked your ass off to learn all the intricate details and difficulties of the defense industry and cutting edge R&D and some noname political scientist under someone's patronage who promoted at a lightning-fast pace claims the head office of the institute you are working. How do you feel?
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If you don't have human capital, no amount of will (political will included) can produce a defense industry out of thin air. Regardless of general financial and economic conditions which facilitate investments in required infrastructure and provide employment, the engineers and qualified technicians who are either experienced themselves or are trained by experienced technicians (itself possible for a nascent industry through high quality international cooperation opportunities, without which no growth can be conceived) are the backbone of that industry.
The engineers we have now in our defense industry are overwhelmingly products of the education system of 90s and early aughts in general. Their quality mostly stems from graduates of Anadolu liseleri (or the positive spreading effect such selective schooling has on the education system as a whole) before its unique system was decimated in 2004 (an earlier degradation after 1997 memorandum hadn't been able to kill it off completely). That's the main factor which has made the current status of our defense industry possible (other factors such as ToT from American firms and the economic boom of the aughts are well-known enough).
With the passing of that generation, no amount of political will can continue the work of that generation.
The engineers we have now in our defense industry are overwhelmingly products of the education system of 90s and early aughts in general. Their quality mostly stems from graduates of Anadolu liseleri (or the positive spreading effect such selective schooling has on the education system as a whole) before its unique system was decimated in 2004 (an earlier degradation after 1997 memorandum hadn't been able to kill it off completely). That's the main factor which has made the current status of our defense industry possible (other factors such as ToT from American firms and the economic boom of the aughts are well-known enough).
With the passing of that generation, no amount of political will can continue the work of that generation.
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That pisses me off!
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I need to send it to my grandpa who thought it was such a power move and full of righteousness when Mr. Erdogan refused to sit with Sisi on the same table.
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If Erdogan cared so much about Morsi he would have sent Turkish commandos to come and rescue him.
As usual todays world leaders have no balls.
They all bark and whine while their supporters all eat it up in droves.
Hence why Adolf Hitler despite being a piece of shit has more balls than Erdogan, Putin, Trump, Trudeau the Cuck you name it combined.
Adolf Hitler wasnt bitching or crying about Mussolini getting taken out of power and arrested so he sent SS commandos to go and rescue him.
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Politicians are all two faced liars. Thats what Erdogan does he opportunistically uses these for his own interests.
Voter base easily lap it up in droves.
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Sisi is no doubt a coup leader but it is Egyptian interior business. If Egyptians are concerned and don't like Sisi they can topple their own dictator it is none of our business. Erdogan should refrain from picking sides when it comes to internal problems of countries.
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It called opportunism or interests. They are no permanently friends or foes. Just interests.
We need each other, MED issue, Israel and Dam issue with Sudan.
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It is great to follow your interests and use every opportunity to get money and improve your positions on the chess board... I am all for this. But in a region like this you should know when to speak, what to speak, when to act and when not to. You should know where you can achieve more with hard force and where you can improve with soft force or a "tactical retreat" etc.
In a region where everyone is fighting everyone it is dumb to take sides- you can only watch from the sides, just do your business and look to improve the things "in your house"... Then watch the bodies of your enemies flowing down the river without you even fighting.
But if you put your nose in other people's business, if you insult them, if you talk bad of them, when you enter fights where the gains are questionable and then on the next day you want to do business with them and call them "My Friend"... you just look pathetic. Nobody trusts and respects people like that.
