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Attacks on Türkiye by Azerbaijan’s "state-controlled" media outlets and think tanks continue unabated. The latest such operation originated from the website *Qafqazinfo*, which operates under the direct coordination of one of the aides in Aliyev’s inner circle.
Key instances of disinformation within the article include:
1. The Ottoman Empire did not want an Armenia within its own borders; therefore, Armenia was established on Azerbaijani territory—with the consent of the Turks.
2. In 1918, the Turks were interested in Baku’s oil, not in Azerbaijan’s independence. Had the British not emerged victorious, Enver Pasha and Nuri Pasha intended to annex Azerbaijan.
3. Even Mustafa Kemal Atatürk turned a blind eye to the Russian occupation of Baku; he even spoke out against the anti-Soviet uprising in Ganja.
4. Present-day Turkey is also betraying Azerbaijan through various means.
You can examine the full article on the site in question. https://qafqazinfo.az/news/detail/qardas-telesi-ile-irevan-xeritemizden-nece-silindi-525398
Naturally, none of this will mean anything to those "useful fools" who insist on viewing the issue through the lens of the headscarf ban, attempting to discredit every move made by Türkiye by labeling it as "political Islam."
A structural breakdown is underway—one that now even extends to the rewriting of history. And as much as Turkey tries to exercise restraint, Azerbaijan continues to ramp up its operational activities. It seems the intention is to provoke a sharp, forceful response from Türkiye; as long as that response is not forthcoming, the situation only grows uglier. A conspiracy theory—one posited by many analysts and which I also find plausible—suggests that if Turkey continues to remain inactive, a staged "coup attempt" will be orchestrated and subsequently "suppressed" within Azerbaijan, with the blame then pinned on Türkiye.
Currently, narratives hinting at this are being gradually introduced into the public discourse in Azerbaijan, specifically by targeting state institutions like TİKA.
Also see:
Key instances of disinformation within the article include:
1. The Ottoman Empire did not want an Armenia within its own borders; therefore, Armenia was established on Azerbaijani territory—with the consent of the Turks.
2. In 1918, the Turks were interested in Baku’s oil, not in Azerbaijan’s independence. Had the British not emerged victorious, Enver Pasha and Nuri Pasha intended to annex Azerbaijan.
3. Even Mustafa Kemal Atatürk turned a blind eye to the Russian occupation of Baku; he even spoke out against the anti-Soviet uprising in Ganja.
4. Present-day Turkey is also betraying Azerbaijan through various means.
You can examine the full article on the site in question. https://qafqazinfo.az/news/detail/qardas-telesi-ile-irevan-xeritemizden-nece-silindi-525398
Naturally, none of this will mean anything to those "useful fools" who insist on viewing the issue through the lens of the headscarf ban, attempting to discredit every move made by Türkiye by labeling it as "political Islam."
A structural breakdown is underway—one that now even extends to the rewriting of history. And as much as Turkey tries to exercise restraint, Azerbaijan continues to ramp up its operational activities. It seems the intention is to provoke a sharp, forceful response from Türkiye; as long as that response is not forthcoming, the situation only grows uglier. A conspiracy theory—one posited by many analysts and which I also find plausible—suggests that if Turkey continues to remain inactive, a staged "coup attempt" will be orchestrated and subsequently "suppressed" within Azerbaijan, with the blame then pinned on Türkiye.
Currently, narratives hinting at this are being gradually introduced into the public discourse in Azerbaijan, specifically by targeting state institutions like TİKA.
Also see:
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If you don’t like Qafqazinfo, there are other options. Try reading the Turkish publication Sözcü.
The gist is much the same.
"Azerbaycan bizimkilere ders verdi"
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Thanks for sharing this.If you don’t like Qafqazinfo, there are other options. Try reading the Turkish publication Sözcü.
The gist is much the same.
"Azerbaycan bizimkilere ders verdi"
But there’s a distinction here: Qafqazinfo is controlled by Aliyev. Its owner, Elbrus Ərud, has even received a medal of distinction from him. The articles are written by Hikmet Hajiyev, the president’s assistant. What they publish reflects the position of Azerbaijan’s current government.
Sözcü and Emin Çölaşan, on the other hand, are useful idiots who automatically pick a side whenever they hear the keywords “secularism,” “headscarf,” or “Arab,” parroting Mossad bots’ talking points while turning a blind eye to the conspiracy against their own country and the openly hostile attitude directed at it.
This is all a foreign power would need to do to undermine Türkiye: simply frame the Turkish Republic’s national interests as “Arabism” or “political Islam” and amplify that narrative through bots. The moment you do that, millions of people who are LARPing as nationalists and Turkists can be manipulated into taking positions that counter to their own country’s national interests. Unfortunately, we’ve seen this very clearly in recent events.
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Back in September, when I first noticed the bot activity on social media, there was no hijab ban. They were already laying the groundwork for a crisis. It was so obvious that I posted this message here to warn you guys:
Then, still before the hijab ban, Aliyev suddenly came out with a series of negative and factually incorrect statements.. I was genuinely surprised and initially refused to believe he would say such things. I thought it had to be another case of Israeli bots spreading disinformation. Well, I was wrong.
At that point, there was still no hijab ban and nothing particularly wrong with our bilateral relations. Yet Aliyev claimed that nobody had stood by Azerbaijan in its difficult times and that it had purchased everything it needed with money.
A few days later, the infamous hijab ban targeting Azerbaijani women was imposed.
That moment, I realized that the Aliyev government was deliberately undermining our brotherly relations.
Because it is inconceivable that Aliyev did not understand the backlash such a ban would provoke among conservative Turks, particularly AKP voters. He knew it would put the Turkish government under pressure to respond.
And yet, despite this provocation, every official statement from Türkiye remained positive, reaffirming our brotherly ties and Azerbaijan's sovereignty. The more hostile reactions came largely from trolls, bots, and random Twitter users. Nevertheless, Aliyev's camp blew the issue out of proportion, portraying the Turkish government to be responsible for the backlash.
Meanwhile, they allowed the Israeli president to fly through Turkish airspace despite the restrictions, without informing us. They accused Hakan Fidan of plotting a coup while he was their guest. They published articles directly attacking our shared history and heritage, going so far as to blame Atatürk and Enver Pasha, describe the Kafkas Islam Ordusu as an invading force, and insult the memory of our martyrs who fell in Baku.
Despite Erdoğan's and Hakan Fidan's repeated official statements reaffirming our brotherhood, the same circles continue publishing articles advocating visa restrictions on Turkish citizens and bans on Turkish television series. More recently, they have called on Erdoğan to dismiss his adviser and punish people who speak out against Aliyev.
Do you guys seriously think they made these demands expecting them to be fulfilled? Or did they make them precisely because they knew they would be rejected, giving them yet another pretext to drive our countries further apart?
And all of this is happening while Israel and the United States are preparing for another potential round of strikes against Iran.
My position has been clear from the beginning, as my previous posts demonstrate. I stand by the brotherhood between Türkiye and Azerbaijan, but that does not make me naive. There are too many suspicious developments, too many provocations, and too many actions seemingly designed to deepen the rift for me to dismiss this as a series of coincidences.
I believe we are witnessing a deliberate, coordinated effort to exploit existing tensions and undermine Turkish-Azerbaijani relations. The hijab was the pretext used to inflame public sentiment, put the Turkish government under pressure, and mobilize Turkish secularists/nationalists against their own country's national interests.
We can not let ANYONE break our brotherhood with Azerbaijan. Let alone Israel and its assets.
Our countries are far more important and strategic to each other than most people assume.
Then, still before the hijab ban, Aliyev suddenly came out with a series of negative and factually incorrect statements.. I was genuinely surprised and initially refused to believe he would say such things. I thought it had to be another case of Israeli bots spreading disinformation. Well, I was wrong.
At that point, there was still no hijab ban and nothing particularly wrong with our bilateral relations. Yet Aliyev claimed that nobody had stood by Azerbaijan in its difficult times and that it had purchased everything it needed with money.
A few days later, the infamous hijab ban targeting Azerbaijani women was imposed.
That moment, I realized that the Aliyev government was deliberately undermining our brotherly relations.
Because it is inconceivable that Aliyev did not understand the backlash such a ban would provoke among conservative Turks, particularly AKP voters. He knew it would put the Turkish government under pressure to respond.
And yet, despite this provocation, every official statement from Türkiye remained positive, reaffirming our brotherly ties and Azerbaijan's sovereignty. The more hostile reactions came largely from trolls, bots, and random Twitter users. Nevertheless, Aliyev's camp blew the issue out of proportion, portraying the Turkish government to be responsible for the backlash.
Meanwhile, they allowed the Israeli president to fly through Turkish airspace despite the restrictions, without informing us. They accused Hakan Fidan of plotting a coup while he was their guest. They published articles directly attacking our shared history and heritage, going so far as to blame Atatürk and Enver Pasha, describe the Kafkas Islam Ordusu as an invading force, and insult the memory of our martyrs who fell in Baku.
Despite Erdoğan's and Hakan Fidan's repeated official statements reaffirming our brotherhood, the same circles continue publishing articles advocating visa restrictions on Turkish citizens and bans on Turkish television series. More recently, they have called on Erdoğan to dismiss his adviser and punish people who speak out against Aliyev.
Do you guys seriously think they made these demands expecting them to be fulfilled? Or did they make them precisely because they knew they would be rejected, giving them yet another pretext to drive our countries further apart?
And all of this is happening while Israel and the United States are preparing for another potential round of strikes against Iran.
My position has been clear from the beginning, as my previous posts demonstrate. I stand by the brotherhood between Türkiye and Azerbaijan, but that does not make me naive. There are too many suspicious developments, too many provocations, and too many actions seemingly designed to deepen the rift for me to dismiss this as a series of coincidences.
I believe we are witnessing a deliberate, coordinated effort to exploit existing tensions and undermine Turkish-Azerbaijani relations. The hijab was the pretext used to inflame public sentiment, put the Turkish government under pressure, and mobilize Turkish secularists/nationalists against their own country's national interests.
We can not let ANYONE break our brotherhood with Azerbaijan. Let alone Israel and its assets.
Our countries are far more important and strategic to each other than most people assume.
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Perhaps Emin Çölaşan is like a weather vane—turning in whichever direction the political "wind" blows. I’m not sure. Maybe I shouldn’t have included his article here. Besides, I don’t know anything about the political leanings of the publication *Sözcü*.
It’s quite possible that we have similar people—writers who produce content "on demand"—if that’s what you’re implying.
I once quoted a Turkish military expert here, but an experienced forum member advised me to steer clear of him, hinting that his knowledge wasn’t actually all that deep.
You mentioned Elbrus Oruj and Hikmet Hajiyev—I’ve never looked into who they write for, or if they even write at all.
You see, I’ve lived outside of Azerbaijan for a very long time, so I’m not particularly well-versed in the internal political landscape.
As for the other topic you brought up—there’s nothing new there.
Back in the 90s, Azerbaijani and Turkish poets and writers gathered for a conference in Germany. One of your writers—I don’t recall his name—recounted this incident:
"After the conference, we stepped outside, and I noticed that the entire Turkish delegation headed to the right, while the Azerbaijanis went to the left. To the right was a mosque, and to the left, a restaurant..."
He added that your compatriots grumbled at the time, saying that our "Azerbaijani brothers" were—well, let’s just say... different.
Yes, there really is a difference in mentality.
Given that the misunderstanding between our respective authorities began precisely over the issue of the hijab, I think it’s best not to touch upon the subject of religion at all.
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For good or for bad the Soviets were quite successful at eradicating religion from the hearts and minds of the people. Even in Bulgaria the communists in 3 decades less and with less killings of clergy and temples destroyed than in the USSR managed to turn majority of the Christians and the Muslims here into a Godless bunch.
I doubt that even ten percent of the people here are truly believers - temples are empty in 99% of the time.
This is probably one of the few good things Communists did.
I doubt that even ten percent of the people here are truly believers - temples are empty in 99% of the time.
This is probably one of the few good things Communists did.
