TR 2023 Turkish presidential election

[dBSPL]

I believe he was talking about a fake Ahaber did of him to say "oh look those tapes of Erdoğan are fake, anyone can do it". Actual tapes are very much real, just illegally gathered. "Operasyon var, sıfırla oğlum!" Can't believe it's been 10 years.

As far as this Kılıçdaroğlu tape is concerned, my opinion is that there is no tape. I have the opinion that the CHP' brain trust is carrying out a very successful false flag strategy.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468482862274035715

İBB administration, which gave the maintenance and repair tenders of IETT, whose cost was 2 billion 114 million TL between 2019-2022, to the company of which CHP Özgür Karabat was the Financial Advisor, again awarded the first of the 2023 IETT tender to the same company.

Transportation İç ve Dış Ticaret A.Ş., of which CHP Istanbul Deputy Özgür Karabat is the Financial Advisor, won its first tender for 76 million 180 thousand 500 TL covering the years 2022-2023.

After Özgür Karabat received the IETT maintenance tender from İBB, 158,000 fault records were created within 1 year.

The upper limit of IETT's debt stock is 5.5 billion TL. However, IETT went bankrupt by borrowing 7.1 billion TL at the end of 2021.

On the other hand, Ekrem İmamoğlu made the brother of CHP Istanbul deputy Özgür Karabat, to whom İETT awarded the maintenance and repair tender for 2 billion ₺, as a specialist at İBB subsidiary İstanbul Transportation A.Ş with a salary of 9,134 TL.

AK Party Istanbul Provincial Presidency stated that there is no production in Hadımköy Public Bread Factory, which Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality (İBB) opened 3 months ago. (22.10.2022)

AK Parti İstanbul İl Başkanlığı: İBB'nin Hadımköy Halk Ekmek Fabrikası'nda üretim yapılmadığı tespit edildi

AK Parti İstanbul İl Başkanlığı, İstanbul Büyükşehir Belediyesinin (İBB) 3 ay önce açılışını yaptığı Hadımköy Halk Ekmek Fabrikası'nda üretim yapılmadığını belirtti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1595082929448701952

24 TV entered the Hadımköy Halk Ekmek factory of İBB and it was confirmed by video recording that the factory was not operating.

Now, the same factory is wanted to be rented for 50 thousand TL per month.

These men collapsed into IETT. IETT went bankrupt as well. And the buses are on fire. They are not repaired. While the CHP cannot even run a bus company and a bread factory, it wants to rule the country.

Folks, this is how these men will rob this country when they come to power.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1653435827026788360

Broken buses with drunk IETT driver

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1653330514395250689

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652000410897461265

https://twitter.com/IstTakipte/status/1651545789980655616

More broken IETT buses

 

[Sanchez]

As far as this Kılıçdaroğlu tape is concerned, my opinion is that there is no tape. I have the opinion that the CHP' brain trust is carrying out a very successful false flag strategy.

Everything is possible in life, but i'm of the same opinion tbh. At the end of his tweet, he says "we'll deal with all this after May 14." Looks like a bluff.

Funny thing is Erdoğan already did all the stuff he says KK did in the past, but such is life. KK's probably the cleanest political figure we had in decades, like him or not. Not my favored candidate, don't even like most of his ideas or his policies, but he's not corrupt. And only leader whose son did his military service like a man instead of cowering behind doctor's reports. And also the only leader we had PKK ever targeted lol.

 

[dBSPL]

Everything is possible in life, but i'm of the same opinion tbh. At the end of his tweet, he says "we'll deal with all this after May 14." Looks like a bluff.

Funny thing is Erdoğan already did all the stuff he says KK did in the past, but such is life. KK's probably the cleanest political figure we had in decades, like him or not. Not my favored candidate, don't even like most of his ideas or his policies, but he's not corrupt. And only leader whose son did his military service like a man instead of cowering behind doctor's reports. And also the only leader we had PKK ever targeted lol.

However, there are minor mistakes in the fictioning:

1. The state does not conduct covert operations through any traceable source, including blockchain.

2. The hacker resource at the disposal of the state and the established organisation reached are such that there is no need to look for hackers abroad.

3. Hacker does not prepare video or audio recordings. Hackers does not produce content, they carries out illegal infiltration and penetration, leaks or disrupt digital data.

4. The scandal involving military institutions on deep-fake has exploded in the USA. In other words, the highest technology in this field is in the hands of US and UK state institutions and labs. There is no reason for the US to provide this technology to Erdoğan.

5. The contents created with artificial intelligence can be easily forensically analysed with artificial intelligence and can be distinguished with full accuracy.

 

[Sanchez]

However, there are minor mistakes in the fictioning:

1. The state does not conduct covert operations through any traceable source, including block-chain.

2. The hacker resource at the disposal of the state and the established organisation reached are such that there is no need to look for hackers abroad.

3. Hacker does not prepare video audio recordings. Hackers does not produce content, they carries out illegal infiltration and penetration, leaks or disrupt digital data.

4. The scandal involving military institutions on deep-fake has exploded in the USA. In other words, the highest technology in this field is in the hands of US and UK state institutions and labs. There is no reason for the US to provide this technology to Erdoğan.

5. The contents created with artificial intelligence can be easily forensically analysed with artificial intelligence and can be distinguished with full accuracy.

To preface, I don't think any video will emerge, real or fake, but you never know. To offer some thoughts,

1-2. They could, if they needed anonymity. One major thing that led to the downfall of gulenists was that while most of the stuff they did was illegal, they were done within bound of the state. Another possible reason could also be lack of qualified personnel to undertake it.

3. I think the word is hacker is just simplifying it for the public. Everybody knows what a hacker is nowadays.

4. Also Russia and China. Tech evolves at breakneck speed.

5. Of course, but if they were to play it like this, they don't need to make it credible or even very good. Just making say 200-300k people to change their minds would be enough if the election is close. After the elections, all would be forgotten like nothing ever happened. Who here remembers "even if nothing happened, definitely something did happen."? After March Istanbul elections of 2019, we had Soylu going wild, talking about gulenists stealing the election, AKP heads talking about the opposition stealing the vote and all that. With no real irregularities to show for, they forced YSK to redo the election for Istanbul, but only for the mayoral elections, because somehow gulenists didn't taint the other two ballot papers that were in the envelopes. (If they redid the whole election instead, Fatih would be CHP today lol.) Soylu directly talked about 50 ballot box officials being gulenists, Bahçeli directly called it "an act of fetö and pkk."

What happened afterwards? Nothing. All the supposed gülenists were let go because there were no evidence of any fraud. Just AKP trying to steal an election they had lost. And people spoke: bye bye "Istanbul, my biggest love".

 

[dBSPL]

To preface, I don't think any video will emerge, real or fake, but you never know. To offer some thoughts,

1-2. They could, if they needed anonymity. One major thing that led to the downfall of gulenists was that while most of the stuff they did was illegal, they were done within bound of the state. Another possible reason could also be lack of qualified personnel to undertake it.

3. I think the word is hacker is just simplifying it for the public. Everybody knows what a hacker is nowadays.

4. Also Russia and China. Tech evolves at breakneck speed.

5. Of course, but if they were to play it like this, they don't need to make it credible or even very good. Just making say 200-300k people to change their minds would be enough if the election is close. After the elections, all would be forgotten like nothing ever happened. Who here remembers "even if nothing happened, definitely something did happen."? After March Istanbul elections of 2019, we had Soylu going wild, talking about gulenists stealing the election, AKP heads talking about the opposition stealing the vote and all that. With no real irregularities to show for, they forced YSK to redo the election for Istanbul, but only for the mayoral elections, because somehow gulenists didn't taint the other two ballot papers that were in the envelopes. (If they redid the whole election instead, Fatih would be CHP today lol.) Soylu directly talked about 50 ballot box officials being gulenists, Bahçeli directly called it "an act of fetö and pkk."

What happened afterwards? Nothing. All the supposed gülenists were let go because there were no evidence of any fraud. Just AKP trying to steal an election they had lost. And people spoke: bye bye "Istanbul, my biggest love".

If Russia and China support Erdoğan, there is nothing to prevent us from believing that the US supports Kılıçdaroğlu. In terms of electoral interference, especially from the perspective of Turkish political history, other countries are not even apprentices compared to the penetration ability of the US.

So there's one more question. From whom did the Kılıçdaroğlu team receive the information about such an operation? While there is nothing about it yet, Kılıçdaroğlu started to make statements one after the other.

Then Demirtaş also confirmed this information and told his voters that they should not believe not share in such a thing. From whom did Selahattin Demirtaş's team get this information?

Frankly speaking, I still think that this was a well-orchestrated false flag strategy to win the election even if there were some fiction mistakes, but here my question is: Was the source informing Kılıçdaroğlu and the source informing Demirtaş the same source? When Kılıçdaroğlu says, "If there is such a tape, show it," I think that if this is a real thing, he should also explain the source that gave him this informing, to make all things crystal clear.

 

[Heartbang]

After the elections, all would be forgotten like nothing ever happened

With all due respect, I think this election will be the exception to that.
The stakes were never been higher than this. And everyone's dropped all the facades and false pretenses. The game has never been played so out in the open before.

After this election, the winners will make sure that the losers will never, ever be able to raise their voices to this extent ever again. Especially if it's a tie in the 1st round and we have to go to the polls a 2nd time.

 

[Heartbang]

Let me tell you tonight's joke:

CHP Chairman and presidential candidate Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, who played the 17-25 December tapes on a video screen at the group meeting in the Turkish Grand National Assembly in the past years, accepted this evening that these tapes were prepared with deep fake methods and were fake, and also added that he would also be subjected to such a conspiracy.

Kinda sad actually.

 

[Sanchez]

With all due respect, I think this election will be the exception to that.
The stakes were never been higher than this. And everyone's dropped all the facades and false pretenses. The game has never been played so out in the open before.

After this election, the winners will make sure that the losers will never, ever be able to raise their voices to this extent ever again. Especially if it's a tie in the 1st round and we have to go to the polls a 2nd time.

I mean, there wouldn't be much to go on if it's a fake. If it's real instead and there's a crime, I do hope they give it to a prosecutor instead of playing with it. Agree that if AKP wins, opposition will shatter and winner will do their best to silence any and all that stays still. If opposition wins, I also think there will be reckoning but on a smaller scale, hopefully within the bounds of democracy and rule of law.

We really need rule of law and democracy back no matter who wins. I'm scared for my country.

 

[dBSPL]

Kinda sad actually.

It's funny when first listen, but I think he sends an effective message, considering where it sends the message.

 

[Heartbang]

there will be reckoning but on a smaller scale, hopefully within the bounds of democracy and rule of law.

Oh the scale will be EXACTLY the same. Otherwise HDP/PKK won't rest easy.

 

[Bogeyman]

I mean, there wouldn't be much to go on if it's a fake. If it's real instead and there's a crime, I do hope they give it to a prosecutor instead of playing with it. Agree that if AKP wins, opposition will shatter and winner will do their best to silence any and all that stays still. If opposition wins, I also think there will be reckoning but on a smaller scale, hopefully within the bounds of democracy and rule of law.

We really need rule of law and democracy back no matter who wins. I'm scared for my country.

1) Even the opposition saw that they could win the elections when the Istanbul elections were repeated. So there is still democracy in this country.
2) The opposition today is not monolithic. And there are cracked voices like Muharrem İnce and Sinan Ogan Therefore, the statement that "oppositions" will be silenced is not entirely true. However, if Kılıçdaroğlu suffers a defeat despite all these alliances, it is obvious that it will cost him politically. So yes, even if the CHP has silenced the dissidents within the party, if a failure occurs, there may be a collective shift towards Muharrem İnce in the grassroots. Because in the past, there was no alternative for the Kuvayi Nationalist Kemalists. But there is now. Even two more. Therefore, you may be getting too excited for Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu unnecessarily.

 

[Crush716]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654245383315365889

LAST MINUTE | Kılıçdaroğlu: "The lowest civil servant salary in 2012 was 2.5 times the minimum wage. In our government, the lowest civil servant salary will be 2.5 times the minimum wage, that is, it will be 21.265 TL net."

 

[Ryder]

CHP has not done anything to anyone anywhere... because it haven't been in the government of the country for a few decades. I don't deny that you have some rotten apples and peace loving hippies in the party that MUST be purged but the official stance of the Party and all of it's leaders has been and always was anti-PKK.

Of course that now everyone tries to get the Kurdish votes and everyone talks about peace and friendship but be sure that if CHP comes to power the fight against terror will continue with maybe even harder means. In the end of the day it wasn't them that started the Peace process and left half of Eastern Turkey to PKK. It wasn't the CHP that made Turkey an ISIS hot bed and logistical hub. It wasn't CHP that gave the whole state to FETO.

All the thousands of dead soldiers, policemen and civilians Turkey lost due to these failed policies of AKP are only the smallest reason why these people must go. Why you guys can't understand this?

If CHP comes to power and fails then good... they will get voted out and others will come to their place. This is what democracy is.

Brother the opposition are suppose to appeal to voters by saying we will fix the mistakes akp done but instead are continuing on the same path.

This will just alienate voters and piss them off even more.

 

[Ryder]

I love Atatürk and his efforts for this republic and people. His vision and success are still unmatched even today to me. However, we Turks always vote for the leader of a party nobody cares or examines their province's parliament members to be honest. We only care about the man on top in politics in other words. Moreover, it was the same in our history too, Hakans, Khans, Sultans etc. If Atatürk was able to see the difference he would choose the Presidency system rather than endless chaos and crisis, IMHO. If we can cut the Thanos like powers of the president It will be perfect then.

In addition to that sometimes we forget even the near history of our near environment and our geolocation. We live in the middle frickin' east guys, and our democracy is too much for this sh*hole. I can't imagine a terrorist party in any of the G7 countries' parliaments or even their supporters giving speech to the audience in the squares. This country needs a spring cleaning above all and the citizens of it thing THRICE before deciding with 1st world country problems, there's a bigger problem for the seeing eyes. I don't want to be a pariah. Thanks.

Not just the Middle East but also the Balkans and the Caucasus.

But God where Turkiye is basically their whole neighbourhood is on fire.

Then across the black sea Ukraine is in chaos and turmoil as the russians invaded.

Cant the Turks catch a break. Turkiye's location is a blessing and a curse.

 

[Lool]

Let me tell you tonight's joke:

CHP Chairman and presidential candidate Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, who played the 17-25 December tapes on a video screen at the group meeting in the Turkish Grand National Assembly in the past years, accepted this evening that these tapes were prepared with deep fake methods and were fake, and also added that he would also be subjected to such a conspiracy.

Iam telling you man, that guy cant be the president.... period!
That guy is a clown ffs; he just admitted that he was using fake videos in the Turkish national assembly to pass on his agenda for the past few years.
Does he take the Turks for fools or what? This is beyond Biden's level of "opsies" anymore

 

[Ryder]

Iam telling you man, that guy cant be the president.... period!
That guy is a clown ffs; he just admitted that he was using fake videos in the Turkish national assembly to pass on his agenda for the past few years.
Does he take the Turks for fools or what? This is beyond Biden's level of "opsies" anymore

Kk has always been a clown.

Decades have passed and his still trying to win Erdogan.

Time for term limits. Ridiculous how this man lost so many times and is still in his post.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468482862274035715

İBB administration, which gave the maintenance and repair tenders of IETT, whose cost was 2 billion 114 million TL between 2019-2022, to the company of which CHP Özgür Karabat was the Financial Advisor, again awarded the first of the 2023 IETT tender to the same company.

Transportation İç ve Dış Ticaret A.Ş., of which CHP Istanbul Deputy Özgür Karabat is the Financial Advisor, won its first tender for 76 million 180 thousand 500 TL covering the years 2022-2023.

After Özgür Karabat received the IETT maintenance tender from İBB, 158,000 fault records were created within 1 year.

The upper limit of IETT's debt stock is 5.5 billion TL. However, IETT went bankrupt by borrowing 7.1 billion TL at the end of 2021.

On the other hand, Ekrem İmamoğlu made the brother of CHP Istanbul deputy Özgür Karabat, to whom İETT awarded the maintenance and repair tender for 2 billion ₺, as a specialist at İBB subsidiary İstanbul Transportation A.Ş with a salary of 9,134 TL.

AK Party Istanbul Provincial Presidency stated that there is no production in Hadımköy Public Bread Factory, which Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality (İBB) opened 3 months ago. (22.10.2022)

AK Parti İstanbul İl Başkanlığı: İBB'nin Hadımköy Halk Ekmek Fabrikası'nda üretim yapılmadığı tespit edildi

AK Parti İstanbul İl Başkanlığı, İstanbul Büyükşehir Belediyesinin (İBB) 3 ay önce açılışını yaptığı Hadımköy Halk Ekmek Fabrikası'nda üretim yapılmadığını belirtti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1595082929448701952

24 TV entered the Hadımköy Halk Ekmek factory of İBB and it was confirmed by video recording that the factory was not operating.

Now, the same factory is wanted to be rented for 50 thousand TL per month.

These men collapsed into IETT. IETT went bankrupt as well. And the buses are on fire. They are not repaired. While the CHP cannot even run a bus company and a bread factory, it wants to rule the country.

Folks, this is how these men will rob this country when they come to power.

This shows bad corruption is in Turkiye damn.

All the parties are complicit in it.

 

[Lool]

Kk has always been a clown.

Decades have passed and his still trying to win Erdogan.

Time for term limits. Ridiculous how this man lost so many times and is still in his post.

It is even more ridiculous how this man was chosen over Mansur Yavas as the presidential candidate. If Yavas was elected, the election would have been in the CHP's pocket from the start

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654196315750912011

Oh, how the turntables...

And yet, CHP fans believe that the CHP will act within the bounds of democracy
Insane tbh. With every passing day, all my predictions about the CHP gradually becomes a reality and yet somehow we are labelled as "fear mongers"