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Russia's fifth-generation Su-57E fighter jet has arrived in India to participate in the Aero India 2025 air show. The Su-57E will be showcased at the international aerospace exhibition to be held from February 10 to 14 at the Yelahanka Indian Air Force Base. India is a long-standing strategic partner that operates a significant amount of Russian equipment. Rosoboronexport will offer India the supply of Su-57s, as well as the organization of their production in India and assistance in developing its own fifth-generation fighter jet.

 

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So,India operates the S-400 yet the US sends the f-35?
Remember,they kicked us out of the program for a not operational S-400 a NATO ally.
Shows the US cant be trusted.

No country can be trusted especially further you are sociopolitically, socioeconomically, historically etc (World is a big thing)....it is all relative and relationships wax and wane as they do due to circumstances of time and space. i.e I remember very well how you described Turk-Azeri relationship as brotherhood (though Azeris have to manage things with Russia and Iran given reality) and maybe India enjoys such a thing with Nepal given deep bonds (that nationstate is nominal thing over it, i.e there is complete freedom of movement between citizens of both countries, and Nepal has reality of China that it has to manage things as well with similarly to your context).

i.e we can make (warm) exceptions to the norm, but the norm is the overall default past these things in the world that is colder to context and "doesn't get you" deep enough like cultural brother. Turkiye is just sufficiently different country in end to "European NATO" (old western or new member eastern components) and "North American NATO" (which has US which is a superpower engaging in Asia, which is where India comes in w.r.t China etc). In fact I would put Turkiye in its completely different category as "Turkiye NATO" or Anatolian NATO etc. European + North American NATO perceives Anatolian NATO as one foot in, one foot out compared to them....whatever the underlying processes of erosion that have occured in last 30 - 40 years to change it from cold war one.

Way I see it is Turkiye's relationship with US is on glide path downwards after cold war ended, the circumstances changed (PKK et al, Iraq war, Israel, Arab world, ISIS, Syria civil war as to how US engaged in these with the bad rating score you know best and can assign regd Turkish own interests - maybe the Iran vector is the only underlying one there is deeper intersection above a 5/10 etc these days).

Whereas US relationship with India is increasingly China-focused (totally different country and context to Russia w.r.t European NATO)

i.e It is kind of opposite of upwards improvement India-US slowly and cautiously have taken (compared to how it was in cold war)....i.e our interests with US align near 10/10 w.r.t PRC.

NATO in Europe was aligned collectively against USSR and Russia fills this role now (for much of US and Europe) after the "Yeltsin and early-Putin detente" phase of 90s and 00's is over and Putin's Russia unhappy with Ukraine's politics and what he saw as encroachment (into crimea given Russian naval base there, and political treatment of Russians in Donbass etc)

In any case US-India one regd anything to do with F-35 (given S-400 specifically) is fraught with fine print details. How to integrate it cohesively (that needs US cooperation + cost to do) given S-400 is baked in and F-35s will be operating in S-400 airspace (and rest of Indian-origin SAM + BMD network), there is all kind of problems even from purely technical standpoint.

i.e the underlying reason the aero india participants of top tier stuff here from adversial entities (Su-57 and F-35) would have most of their radar modes switched off, fresnel lens on etc....and the whole airshow is well away from where S-400s and other heavy Indian AD networks are situated (in north).

Su-57 with Russia would likely be quicker to integrate (given Russian relationship with India since USSR times)...but problem is their production capacity given war with Ukraine (and post war situation they need to divert everything for to flex/deter/maintain).

US has good production capacity in comparison to deliver (a number of squadrons till India can bring AMCA online), but the problem is this integration + political, security aspect of how much US would again trust India to fully air gap S-400 from Russia's radar technicians etc....and then the utility of all of this for India's own RnD and knowhow to use in next chunk of decades too (i.e dependent on how much of a threat China is to India compared to US/West in end...which is simply a very heavy differential now)....and again how US perceives and adjudges that....and puts some premium or fine print carveouts for it.
 

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Official footage of the Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet in flight at the Aero India exhibition has been published. The aircraft is piloted by test pilot and Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan. Aero India is expected to feature a competition between the world's two most advanced fifth-generation fighter jets, the Russian Su-57 and the US F-35 Lightning II. Both countries will compete for the right to join the Indian Air Force's future fighter fleet. Both aircraft have advantages and disadvantages. The Su-57 can reach speeds of up to 2,450 km/h, while the F-35 can reach speeds of up to 1,930 km/h. The Su-57 has two engines, which increases the aircraft's survivability. The Su-57 is also more maneuverable in close combat. Both aircraft are barely noticeable to radar, but the F-35 is considered to be less noticeable because it is built with a small radar cross-section (RCS) and is covered with radar-absorbing materials. It is worth noting that the F-35 coating is sensitive to sunlight, salty wind and supersonic flight, it begins to peel off, it needs to be renewed every 2-3 years. When storing the aircraft in the sun, the coating deteriorates in 3 months. The production of the F-35 has already been established, and the production of the Su-57 has just begun to increase. The F-35 has more advanced electronics, but there are still problems with it, there is a lot of information about this on the network. The longest-range American missile AIM-54 Phoenix, air-to-air, has a range of up to 184 km. R-37M missiles, Su-57 aircraft, can hit large targets at a range of up to 400 km, information about them is on the channel. Estimated cost: Su-57 about 35-40 million dollars, F-35 from 80 to 100 million dollars. According to the latest news, the Su-57 is an excellent maneuverable fifth-generation fighter and India needs something similar, said Indian Air Marshal Anil Chopra.

 

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some speculate that the 1:1 mock-up of AMCA is not up to date
Unsure why they displayed the first iteration of AMCA at Aero India 25.



I believe this is the latest iteration

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So,India operates the S-400 yet the US sends the f-35?
Remember,they kicked us out of the program for a not operational S-400 a NATO ally.
Shows the US cant be trusted.
DRDO developed Project-Kusha which will eventually replace the S-400


Unsure of the credibility of this but to plan a mission using F-35 requires input from a database held in the US. If true, no F-35 can be used to attack a target if the US does not approve of the target being attacked

If this is the case, the likelihood for India to go for F-35 is slim to none even if pakistan acquires J-31, not to mentioned our planners clearly are aware of the debacle that happened with Turks. Indian Navy is acquiring Rafale-M and if push comes to shove, IAF might fastrack MRFA to procure 1-3 more squadrons of Rafales while we continue to focus on Tejas Mk-II & AMCA assuming US doesn't block the engine

Nevertheless, it's also good to plan for a backup...either ours or Russia's


 
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Brahmos (Air Launched Anti-Radiation Missile - Naval) and Rudram-2

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