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Head of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. Haluk Gorgun:

"HAKİM Air Command Control System is one of the most critical joint projects of Azerbaijan and Turkish Air Forces.

With this project, the air forces of both countries have the opportunity to carry out joint operations, as well as to control the Azerbaijani airspace.

When this project is fully implemented, the joint airspace control area will extend from the Aegean Sea to the Caspian Basin.
 

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Head of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. Haluk Gorgun:

"HAKİM Air Command Control System is one of the most critical joint projects of Azerbaijan and Turkish Air Forces.

With this project, the air forces of both countries have the opportunity to carry out joint operations, as well as to control the Azerbaijani airspace.

When this project is fully implemented, the joint airspace control area will extend from the Aegean Sea to the Caspian Basin.

Turkish version of NORAD pretty much.
 

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F-18 dreams of the Turkish Air Force

 

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Re-agreements were reached on the approval of F-16 B70s, lifting existing sanctions by US, the Customs Union update and visa-free travel to the EU. And on the EF T4s, which stand as an alternative to the B70, I think there were assurances about potential problems that could create procurement risks. I mean Germany.

It's not just Sweden that is on the scales here - there are many other issues at stake, ranging from the EU's energy security to the acceleration of some other issues due to Ukraine war. This is because the President interrupted his meeting with the NATO secretary and went into a meeting with the president of the European Council. There is a three-legged bargaining table here. The Atlantic pact, the structure representing the interests of NATO and the US, the structure representing the interests of the EU and European states, and on the third leg, the stakeholders Sweden and Turkiye.

According to various NATO sources, TR got what it wanted from the table. But I think the most important detail is Stoltenberg's statement that the timetable of the Turkish Parliament should be respected. In other words, just before the meetings, RTE's political leverage to frustrate the ambivalence of the US congress seems to have paid off.

The conditions are difficult for us, yes, but there are very difficult conditions surrounding the other stakeholders at the table. If there is no win-win agreement, NATO will not only die mentally but also physically. The Swedish-Turkish dialogue is a key factor shaping NATO's future.
 

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Re-agreements were reached on the approval of F-16 B70s, lifting existing sanctions by US, the Customs Union update and visa-free travel to the EU. And on the EF T4s, which stand as an alternative to the B70, I think there were assurances about potential problems that could create procurement risks. I mean Germany.

It's not just Sweden that is on the scales here - there are many other issues at stake, ranging from the EU's energy security to the acceleration of some other issues due to Ukraine war. This is because the President interrupted his meeting with the NATO secretary and went into a meeting with the president of the European Council. There is a three-legged bargaining table here. The Atlantic pact, the structure representing the interests of NATO and the US, the structure representing the interests of the EU and European states, and on the third leg, the stakeholders Sweden and Turkiye.

According to various NATO sources, TR got what it wanted from the table. But I think the most important detail is Stoltenberg's statement that the timetable of the Turkish Parliament should be respected. In other words, just before the meetings, RTE's political leverage to frustrate the ambivalence of the US congress seems to have paid off.

The conditions are difficult for us, yes, but there are very difficult conditions surrounding the other stakeholders at the table. If there is no win-win agreement, NATO will not only die mentally but also physically. The Swedish-Turkish dialogue is a key factor shaping NATO's future.
Yeah yeah, we got what we wanted. Pigs can fly and unicorns are real.

Bunu kabul edenlerin Allah belasını versin.

You will see that all those empty promises will be forgotten after Sweden enters NATO.
 

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Yeah yeah, we got what we wanted. Pigs can fly and unicorns are real.

Bunu kabul edenlerin Allah belasını versin.

You will see that all those empty promises will be forgotten after Sweden enters NATO.
Why are you so surprised? When the cabinet was formed, it was already clear that the NATO process would somehow move forward. Time will tell what we got and what we didn't. The above statement is not mine, and as I wrote in the other thread, I think that most of these promised elements will not materialize. NATO's secretary general pointed to October. What is achieved until October will be a gain, beyond that I am not hopeful too. From my point of view, it would be a more acceptable outcome if Europe doesn't get ridiculous in the next Syrian operation, and in the meantime there is progress in the Israel-Turkiye-EU triangle, such as energy engagement and also revision of the customs union, than if we get nothing at all.

Concrete steps are now needed to solve some engine issues and ofc modernize the existing fleet. Since we cannot do this through China and Russia, Sweden should not gain parliamentary approval before this development.
 

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Revision of customs union was always on the table and eu side waited for the elections expecting the victory of KK, but ok since RTE has 5 more years they are not against to agree with him since they really want modernization of Customs Union.
 

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Everybody knew he was going to approve as he always does.
We should have got our F35's, and had all the sanctions lifted by all nato members instead of empty shouting.
If Sweden's security is important for nato, our security should be important for them too. Our security can only be provided with modern weapons. The argument should be simple: How can we survive while our nato member keep us getting more weapons?
 

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Erdogan did the same 180 capitulation after damage is done, million times.

His Libya capitulation to Wagner terrorists,
Egypt EEZ deal wasted opportunity for no good reason,
Supporting losing side as always in Syria,
Getting Turkiye embargoed for Saudi murders,
F-35 fiasco,
...
And now Sweden fiasco.

If you secretly hate Turkish nation, as their president what will you do to make entire nation suffer, while still getting their votes?

You would put them in unnecessary conflict situations and make sure they will always lose and suffer as a nation badly, only to surrender after the damage is done. Tell me I am wrong.
 

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Erdogan did the same 180 capitulation after damage is done, million times.

His Libya capitulation to Wagner terrorists,
Egypt EEZ deal wasted opportunity for no good reason,
Supporting losing side as always in Syria,
Getting Turkiye embargoed for Saudi murders,
F-35 fiasco,
...
And now Sweden fiasco.

If you secretly hate Turkish nation, as their president what will you do to make entire nation suffer, while still getting their votes?

You would put them in unnecessary conflict situations and make sure they will always lose and suffer as a nation badly, only to surrender after the damage is done. Tell me I am wrong.
You are wrong beyond recovery.
 

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yeah but it turned into Quran burning and begging for EU membership. Another fiasco and another failure from AK party. Meanwhile Turkiye looks more and more like a degenerate in the worlds eyes.

Imagine people are voting for this crap.

Swedish politicians must be laughing at erdogan. They are financing, hosting and arming marxist pkk terrorists against Turkiye, yet they get to laugh at how dumb erdogans politics is that they got what wanted and in the worlds eyes look like the good guys. While Turkiye looks like the stereotypical shady middle easterner known for looking to cheat and swindle over every penny, but in the end failing anyway.

half a day before Sweden is accepted by you, you are begging for EU membership as precondition WTF was that all about? What mental illness causes one to behave so ridiculously like that?

Honestly Europeans must love erdogan, they finally get to be open about how backward, islamist and degenerate Turkiye is and no one bats an eye because thats what erdogan shows to the world that Turkiye is. People are voting for this crap, madness.
Couldn't agree more. I am not religious by any means, but someone who claims to be should never, ever bend to the will of those who not only allow but cheer the burning of Quran for any reason, no matter what the cost. I know international politics is complicated and you have to be pragmatic; but if I had any faith and someone insulted it this way, I would've simply got in front of a camera and say Sweden would never be a part of the NATO as long as I draw breath. Let them try to figure out how to appease us instead of the other way around.

Groveling before EU is even more shameful as that would never happen even if we became most progressive country on the planet. I don't know how old some of you are but I distinctly remember EU presidents saying they would never accept us even if we adhered to every request they made, long before even the current ruling party even existed. They had no intention of letting us join before current regime and they will not accept us even if they are gone.
 

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Let's get back to topic. F16 procurement is on topic, but lets try to keep the surrounding politics in the politics thread. Thanks.
 

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In order to convince Senator Menendez to sell F-16s to Turkey, the Biden administration offered to provide Greece with "unspecified tactical weapons for its defense against any future Turkish attack".
 

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In order to convince Senator Menendez to sell F-16s to Turkey, the Biden administration offered to provide Greece with "unspecified tactical weapons for its defense against any future Turkish attack".
Menendez has to have blackmail on people high up because anybody else in as much deep s**t as he is legally would've been forced to resign ages ago.
 

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