Thank you. So, maybe we, Turks should stop making fantastic decisions on behalf of the consortium members like “kick Germany out” or “buy them out”. Btw, I’m referring to collective ‘Turkish solution’ to this particular problem, not the general opinion of the forum at large.
Not surprised, thanks to the dumbest mainstream media in Europe, they've made Türkiye an enemy regardless.Germany blocks Eurofighter sale to Türkiye 'citing Eastmed drilling concerns'
ANKARA
Germany, a key member of the quartet consortium producing the Eurofighter Typhoon, is reportedly hesitatant to sell the advanced jets to Türkiye, citing concerns over the latter's natural gas drilling activities in the eastern Mediterranean, according to sources in local media.
Berlin's reluctance stems from decisions made by the EU Council in 2019, during a crisis between Türkiye and Greece, where sanctions were imposed on Ankara over its exploration activities in the eastern Mediterranean, showcasing the EU's support for Cyprus.
Last week, Türkiye's Defense Minister Yaşar Güler declared the nation's intention to acquire Eurofighter jets, opting for them over the controversial F-35s from the United States. This decision follows Türkiye's expulsion from the F-35 program in 2019, making the modernization of the country's air force a top priority.
Güler said Türkiye aims to purchase 40 Eurofighters, asserting that the U.K. and Spain have committed to persuading Germany to agree to the deal. The Eurofighter is a collaborative effort involving Germany, the U.K., Spain and Italy.
Sources suggest that diplomatic tensions between NATO allies and Türkiye, exacerbated by the latter's acquisition of Russian S-400 missile systems, contribute significantly to Germany's decision. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's recent condemnation of Israel as a "terrorist state" further complicates matters, as reported by Bloomberg.
Erdoğan, on his return from a recent trip to Germany, stated that he and Chancellor Olaf Scholz had not discussed the Eurofighter procurement. Erdoğan remarked, "They can give us these planes if they want. If not, do we have no doors to knock on? So many."
In another development, Türkiye and the United Kingdom have signed a blueprint to deepen security and defense ties. British Defense Minister Grant Shapps, during his visit to Ankara on Nov. 23, engaged in discussions with his Turkish counterpart on regional and security matters, along with ongoing cooperation in the defense industry.
Germany had previously criticized Turkish military operations in northern Syria, suspended the modernization of Leopard tanks in Turkish possession and halted the sale of tanks.
Similarly, Germany's attitude affected Türkiye's Altay tank project, with plans to involve a German company for the tanks' engines put on hold, citing concerns related to operations in Syria.
Meanwhile, despite Türkiye's official request to purchase 40 new F-16s and 79 modernization kits from the U.S. as an alternative to the F-35, formal approval from the Congress remains pending, facing objections that have slowed down the process.
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Germany blocks Eurofighter sale to Türkiye 'citing Eastmed drilling concerns' - Türkiye News
Germany, a key member of the quartet consortium producing the Eurofighter Typhoon, is reportedly hesitatant to sell the advanced jets to Türkiye, citing concerns over the latter's natural gas drilling activities in the eastern Mediterranean, according to sources in local media.www.hurriyetdailynews.com
Told you guys, so unless we see the other partners buying out Germany from the consortium then we're not getting EF.
But the buyout would be a very interesting thing to see. IF it ever happens, and I don't think Europe is ready to break cooperation on that level.
Germany blocks Eurofighter sale to Türkiye 'citing Eastmed drilling concerns'
ANKARA
Germany, a key member of the quartet consortium producing the Eurofighter Typhoon, is reportedly hesitatant to sell the advanced jets to Türkiye, citing concerns over the latter's natural gas drilling activities in the eastern Mediterranean, according to sources in local media.
Berlin's reluctance stems from decisions made by the EU Council in 2019, during a crisis between Türkiye and Greece, where sanctions were imposed on Ankara over its exploration activities in the eastern Mediterranean, showcasing the EU's support for Cyprus.
Last week, Türkiye's Defense Minister Yaşar Güler declared the nation's intention to acquire Eurofighter jets, opting for them over the controversial F-35s from the United States. This decision follows Türkiye's expulsion from the F-35 program in 2019, making the modernization of the country's air force a top priority.
Güler said Türkiye aims to purchase 40 Eurofighters, asserting that the U.K. and Spain have committed to persuading Germany to agree to the deal. The Eurofighter is a collaborative effort involving Germany, the U.K., Spain and Italy.
Sources suggest that diplomatic tensions between NATO allies and Türkiye, exacerbated by the latter's acquisition of Russian S-400 missile systems, contribute significantly to Germany's decision. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's recent condemnation of Israel as a "terrorist state" further complicates matters, as reported by Bloomberg.
Erdoğan, on his return from a recent trip to Germany, stated that he and Chancellor Olaf Scholz had not discussed the Eurofighter procurement. Erdoğan remarked, "They can give us these planes if they want. If not, do we have no doors to knock on? So many."
In another development, Türkiye and the United Kingdom have signed a blueprint to deepen security and defense ties. British Defense Minister Grant Shapps, during his visit to Ankara on Nov. 23, engaged in discussions with his Turkish counterpart on regional and security matters, along with ongoing cooperation in the defense industry.
Germany had previously criticized Turkish military operations in northern Syria, suspended the modernization of Leopard tanks in Turkish possession and halted the sale of tanks.
Similarly, Germany's attitude affected Türkiye's Altay tank project, with plans to involve a German company for the tanks' engines put on hold, citing concerns related to operations in Syria.
Meanwhile, despite Türkiye's official request to purchase 40 new F-16s and 79 modernization kits from the U.S. as an alternative to the F-35, formal approval from the Congress remains pending, facing objections that have slowed down the process.
__________________________________________Germany blocks Eurofighter sale to Türkiye 'citing Eastmed drilling concerns' - Türkiye News
Germany, a key member of the quartet consortium producing the Eurofighter Typhoon, is reportedly hesitatant to sell the advanced jets to Türkiye, citing concerns over the latter's natural gas drilling activities in the eastern Mediterranean, according to sources in local media.
Told you guys, so unless we see the other partners buying out Germany from the consortium then we're not getting EF.
But the buyout would be a very interesting thing to see. IF it ever happens, and I don't think Europe is ready to break cooperation on that level.
F-16 RCS is 4-5 m2 not 1.2. That number could be for the American F-16s alone. Since they have various advanced coatings against both IR and radar called HAVE GLASS up to v5. Our F16s either completely lack or just have some very basic anti radar paint which doesn't make any meaningful difference.
Sure kid, Turkey sucks, our engineers and airforce is the worse and we are fucked. Happy?
Coincidence. Or the forum has a close following. I don't know who Colonel Igor Korotchenko is or which institution he is an analyst for, but he mentioned that the production license (for the SU-35?) could be granted. Conflict and a few other X accounts also shared this information on the same day.
It would be just like us to license build the plane, Su-35, that Ukraine shot down using Western aa systems 6 months ago. I desperately hope this is a just Russian bullshitting to muddy the waters and nothing more.
Forget CATSAA, if we are stupid enough to go for a Russian plane after their invasion of Ukraine we could say goodbye to every single part, from engine to chips, we get from any country in the West. It would be one of the single stupidest things we could do and it would be over a subpar jet.
Bro its not anymore 1990/2000 , Chips and other parts can be easy produced in east aslo
There is a reason China has been getting ready to invade Taiwan and its not because of their nationalism. There are certain things, especially the highest tech chips among them, that "the East" cannot produce yet. It isn't 2000s yes, the gap is even wider.Bro its not anymore 1990/2000 , Chips and other parts can be easy produced in east aslo
So small china (taiwan) can produce high tech chips while huge superpower china cant? Bro how u finds those kinds of infro?
It's more about the kinds of chips produced. Chips used in home appliances etc. can be manufactured with a serious amount of investment. The production capability of the really advanced stuff is considered a strategic asset, no one really sells it. Taiwan has that, and China doesn't.
Mate, how advanced a country is at one technology or the other has nothing to do with the country's size. That is simply illogical as hell, if that was true we would be living in a completely different world.
nationalinterest.org
Didn't knew we operated A-4's. (!)Turkey's TF-X Stealth Fighter: A Game Changer or a Paper Tiger?
TF-X Fighter: Can Turkey Build a Stealth Fighter? As Turkey strives to improve its domestic manufacturing capabilities, a new homegrown fighter jet is reportedly on the horizon. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan hopes that its TAI KAAN (TF) platform will enter service by the end of this decade...
Dude you got some catch up to do! Search A4 use of TurAF in 6 Day War and over FalklandDidn't knew we operated A-4's. (!)
Douglas A-4 Skyhawk - Wikipedia
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