TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Ripley]

Guys, your participation and input is invaluable and I enjoy and learn a lot but this is Turkish Air Force News & Discussion thread. So, you know

 

[Spitfire9]

I believe that KAI is developing an armed version of Hurjet. How far has that progressed? Would it be of any use to TuAF as an interim procurement until KAAN arrives?

 

[B_A]

I believe that KAI is developing an armed version of Hurjet. How far has that progressed? Would it be of any use to TuAF as an interim procurement until KAAN arrives?

TAI/TUSAS..KAI is Korean....

Everything is too early that Hurjet trainer　version is still not finished.

 

[TheInsider]

Again I ask the question - Regarding Turkiye being a problem for NATO, do people in Turkiye not notice that almost no other NATO members are in open conflict with the organisation?

It is a simple question. It should not be difficult to answer.

Here is a list of NATO countries

Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, the Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, United States

28 have agreed to Sweden joining NATO. Which ones have not, thus going against the wishes of the vast majority?

Greece blocked Macedonia's membership for over a decade for a silly reason.
We don't have any problems with NATO we have problems with the US and Sweden.

 

[Fatman17]

No F-35, F-16, or Typhoon, so Turkey is looking at the JF-17

Turkey, a major NATO nation, has been striving to upgrade its arsenal of fighter jets in recent years. The American F-16 has been at the top of the list.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Can anyone confirm this news item

 

[TheInsider]

No F-35, F-16, or Typhoon, so Turkey is looking at the JF-17

Turkey, a major NATO nation, has been striving to upgrade its arsenal of fighter jets in recent years. The American F-16 has been at the top of the list.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Can anyone confirm this news item

Fake news.

 

[Strong AI]

President Erdoğan stated that in their last phone call, US President Biden told him,
"You take this (Sweden's NATO membership) out of the Parliament, in the same way, I will pass this (F-16 sale) from Congress."

 

[Barry]

"you subvert the democratic process so we get what we want"

 

[Baryshx]

President Erdoğan stated that in their last phone call, US President Biden told him,
"You take this (Sweden's NATO membership) out of the Parliament, in the same way, I will pass this (F-16 sale) from Congress."

Funny and shitty trade. F35 should be our condition. Good relations with India, which bought the S400.

 

[Spitfire9]

Funny and shitty trade. F35 should be our condition. Good relations with India, which bought the S400.

What is achieved by making demands that you know will not be met? F-35 is gone, 100% finito. That is not yet the case with F-16. It is a better idea to try to get what it may be possible to get than to waste time trying to get what it is not possible to get - and in the process prejudicing further any small remaining chance there is of getting F-16.

 

[boredaf]

What is achieved by making demands that you know will not be met? F-35 is gone, 100% finito. That is not yet the case with F-16. It is a better idea to try to get what it may be possible to get than to waste time trying to get what it is not possible to get - and in the process prejudicing further any small remaining chance there is of getting F-16.

Once again, we are at fault and not the country that is not only keeping the jets that were already made for us in a hangar but also refusing to return our money to us. Honestly, this forum can hide the usernames and I would know which post is yours right away.

 

[Nutuk]

I would not even purchase the F16, with such relation buying F16 will do no any good

 

[DBdev]

W

What is achieved by making demands that you know will not be met? F-35 is gone, 100% finito. That is not yet the case with F-16. It is a better idea to try to get what it may be possible to get than to waste time trying to get what it is not possible to get - and in the process prejudicing further any small remaining chance there is of getting F-16.

Our NATO membership may have started as a means to try to protect us from USSR but now it is hopefully there to protect us from what these pack of western hyenas are doing to almost every other free Muslim country. We rather have our money back we paid long ago for unkept F-35 delivery promise but we don't expect even that much of a decency from bunch of animals currently making another crusader dog pack against Yemen this time, while giving Israel handful of nukes worth bombs so that Jews can finish of their 7 decades long Palestinian genocide campaign.

 

[Baryshx]

What is achieved by making demands that you know will not be met? F-35 is gone, 100% finito. That is not yet the case with F-16. It is a better idea to try to get what it may be possible to get than to waste time trying to get what it is not possible to get - and in the process prejudicing further any small remaining chance there is of getting F-16.

It's not gone or finished. They can give it if they want, everything is in their hands.

 

[Spitfire9]

Once again, we are at fault and not the country that is not only keeping the jets that were already made for us in a hangar but also refusing to return our money to us. Honestly, this forum can hide the usernames and I would know which post is yours right away.

I did not say Turkiye was at fault. US has made it extremely clear that it will not supply F-35 so it is pointless asking for that. You don't seem to grasp that I was suggesting avoiding reducing the slim chance of procuring F-16 still further. Does Turkiye want to optimise its chances of getting F-16 or not?

PS If the US owes money for the F-35 delivered to Turkiye in the US, they should be prepared to return it. Turning up and addressing the US as a western hyena is unlikely to end with a successful outcome.

 

[DBdev]

Türkiye spent 1.5% GDP on defense last year. One of the lowest in NATO. So money is an issue too not just embargos.

If it was me I wouldn't buy anything from west and I would pre pay part of those tens of billions to our own defense companies and force them to hire 10 or even 100 times more people. Russia for example while employing 3 million people and planning to add 1 more million to that just for drone production. America is like almost two times that. Our defense ministry is bragging about employing 82.000 engineers while %9 are JOBLESS.

Roketsan for example was given around half a billion Euro contract while it should have been 5 billion euros at least. Quarter of it pre paid to speed up hiring and production. If we spend all that cash we are planning to gift to our enemies in the west, on layered air defense instead of ultra expensive western jets we wouldn't need a single additional fighter plane. That same amount would suffice to protect us from all enemy fighters, ballistic missiles and even the Greek F-35s and their SCALP missiles.

 

[DBdev]

I did not say Turkiye was at fault. US has made it extremely clear that it will not supply F-35 so it is pointless asking for that. You don't seem to grasp that I was suggesting avoiding reducing the slim chance of procuring F-16 still further. Does Turkiye want to optimise its chances of getting F-16 or not?

Same slimy crap British did to us by stealing our money by not delivering our warships after getting paid and by confiscating Turkish territory Cyprus. Brazen THEFT by bunch of hyenas.

We asked for our money back many many times. Biden said instead of money, let's sell you F-16s. What were we supposed to say? They are just playing with us for half a decade, while sitting on our cash, just like EU is playing with us for 7 decades. USD lost half of its value against gold in the past couple of years due to constant money printing. If we hadn't pay them beforehand it would have been close to 5 billion dollars worth gold by now, because our national bank invests in gold since western supported FETO coup, not dollars.

 

[boredaf]

Türkiye spent 1.5% GDP on defense last year. One of the lowest in NATO. So money is an issue too not just embargos.

If it was me I wouldn't buy anything from west and I would pre pay part of those tens of billions to our own defense companies and force them to hire 10 or even 100 times more people. Russia for example while employing 3 million people and planning to add 1 more million to that just for drone production. America is like almost two times that. Our defense ministry is bragging about employing 82.000 engineers while %9 are JOBLESS.

Roketsan for example was given around half a billion Euro contract while it should have been 5 billion euros at least. Quarter of it pre paid to speed up hiring and production. If we spend all that cash we are planning to gift to our enemies in the west, on layered air defense instead of ultra expensive western jets we wouldn't need a single additional fighter plane. That same amount would suffice to protect us from all enemy fighters, ballistic missiles and even the Greek F-35s and their SCALP missiles.

That's just absurd. You can't create skilled labourers out of your ass and hire them. You can't just increase the number of people employed by the defence industry because this or that country have more. If they don't exist, then they don't exist and you are shit out of luck, end of story. On top of that, you also can't force people to work for them either, funny how that works.

 

[DBdev]

That's just absurd. You can't create skilled labourers out of your ass and hire them. You can't just increase the number of people employed by the defence industry because this or that country have more. If they don't exist, then they don't exist and you are shit out of luck, end of story. On top of that, you also can't force people to work for them either, funny how that works.

Currently our engineers are doing jobs a high school graduate can do. Roketsan for example how hard it is to build bunch of missiles illiterate Houthis in Yemen are doing the same type of rockets our 2 doctorate degrees engineers are doing by hand in Roketsan, Aselsan videos. Besides there is a thing called learning on the job. What? 4 million people in Russia are all rocket scientists?

 

[mehmed beg]

I remember few months ago on Savunmasanayist, director of Havelsna visited LM in order to have some software access. It was years ago as I could have understood.
His request was refused and he reports that he was plainly told " We are not selling you the planes, but sorties " . The question was , what kind of sorties? Flying around? I don't think for a second that those "sorties " include anywhere close to the Aegean Sea or Estern Mediterran, not much in Black Sea or Syrian Borders( you see , the Russians might suss how f35 operates), not Northern Iraq border. Maybe but just maybe the sorties could be had nearl the Iranian border. Frankly, considering the history of the arms procurement I doubt that USA ever had an intention to sell F35 to Turkey. Maybe at the earliest 2035. If someone doesn't want to sell the air defence system, for double of money, which it is usually sold, then how will they sell you something even better?