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Trump was always pro-Turkey. He greenlighted our Syrian operations and powned the YPG in the White House by saying that "the Kurds didnt help America during WW II, why would we help them?".

He also supported Turkey at live television during a press conference where he outlashed Mike Pompeo and said that the US lost thousands of jobs because of the F35/S400 row and that Turkey was right because the US didnt sell them Patriots.

If Trump wins, we will definitively get the F35, especially in this situation with NATO-Russia.
 

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Trump was always pro-Turkey. He greenlighted our Syrian operations and powned the YPG in the White House by saying that "the Kurds didnt help America during WW II, why would we help them?".

He also supported Turkey at live television during a press conference where he outlashed Mike Pompeo and said that the US lost thousands of jobs because of the F35/S400 row and that Turkey was right because the US didnt sell them Patriots.

If Trump wins, we will definitively get the F35, especially in this situation with NATO-Russia.
He also allowed the establishment of the East-Med forum. He was very enthusiastic about the East-Med pipeline.
 

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@all

You know what I don't comprehend?

How is TAI going to participate in our F16 order if CAATSA sanctions against SSB are still in force?


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The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Treasury, has selected the following sanctions from CAATSA Section 235, as implemented by Executive Order (E.O.) 13849, to impose on SSB:


  • a prohibition on granting specific U.S. export licenses and authorizations for any goods or technology transferred to SSB (Section 235(a)(2));
  • a prohibition on loans or credits by U.S. financial institutions to SSB totaling more than $10 million in any 12-month period (Section 235(a)(3));
  • a ban on U.S. Export-Import Bank assistance for exports to SSB (Section 235(a)(1));
  • a requirement for the United States to oppose loans benefitting SSB by international financial institutions (Section 235(a)(4)); and
  • imposition of full blocking sanctions and visa restrictions (Section 235(a)(7), (8), (9), (11), and (12)) on Dr. Ismail Demir, president of SSB; Faruk Yigit, SSB’s vice president; Serhat Gencoglu, Head of SSB’s Department of Air Defense and Space; and Mustafa Alper Deniz, Program Manager for SSB’s Regional Air Defense Systems Directorate.
Source: https://2017-2021.state.gov/caatsa-...h-presidency-of-defense-industries/index.html
It is on SSB, not on TUSAŞ (which is not part of SSB). TUSAŞ still produces parts for Boeing, for example.
 

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SSB detains 45.45% of TAI.
 

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Turkey exploring massive UK arms deal involving planes, ships and tank engines​



Multibillion-dollar deal for Eurofighter jets, transport planes, frigates and tank engines is being discussed as Turkey faces procurement hurdles in the US

Turkey has held talks with the United Kingdom over the possible sale of a large package of weapons, including fighter jets, transport planes, engines and frigates, three separate sources familiar with the discussions told Middle East Eye.

Turkish defence minister Hulusi Akar visited London on Sunday, meeting his British counterpart, Ben Wallace.

The sources said that during their meeting Akar and Wallace explored the possibility of Ankara purchasing Eurofighter jets, C-130J transport planes and Type 23 frigates, as well as engines for Turkey’s outdated M60 battle tanks. The estimated value of such a deal is well over $10bn, according to the sources.

“We are evaluating our options on these platforms but we aren’t in the final stages of negotiations,” said one of the Turkish sources, who spoke to MEE on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak to the media.

Obstacles in Washington​

The move comes as Ankara faces difficulties acquiring 40 new F-16 aircraft and 79 modernisation kits for its existing F-16 fleet because of opposition in the US Congress.

Many US lawmakers, including Senator Bob Menendez, who chairs the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, have declared that they would oppose such a move over Ankara’s alleged aggression against its allies and neighbours, including Greece.

US officials have told their Turkish counterparts that dropping the conditions Turkey has set for Sweden to become a Nato member will help remove opposition to the fighter aircraft deal in Congress.

Turkey has one of the largest F-16 fleets in the region, but the planes are reaching the end of their lifespan.

Ankara finds itself with an unexpected conundrum, since it designed its medium-term air defence needs based on the acquisition of fifth-generation F-35 jets. The US government officially kicked Turkey out of the F-35 programme in 2019 over the latter’s purchase of Russian-made S-400 air defence systems.

Several Turkish officials told MEE in June that they might be interested in buying Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes from the UK if Turkey's F-16 purchase request to the US did not progress. Eurofighter Typhoons are produced by a consortium of companies from the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain.

One industry insider told MEE this week that Turkey was looking to purchase two squadrons of Eurofighters, amounting to between 24 to 48 units.

A second source, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said Ankara’s Eurofighter acquisition wouldn’t be an easy process, since it would require a lot of technical adjustments and training within the Turkish Armed Forces.

The source added that the Turkish military was becoming increasingly familiar with the platform, since Qatar is also believed to have sent some of its Eurofighter jets to Turkey under a bilateral deal that allows Doha to deploy its air force in Turkey.

Turkey has its own nationally designed and produced fighter jet programmes, such as TFX and Hurjet, but they aren’t battle proven and their date of delivery may change depending on the production line. This is why the Turkish military is looking for temporary solutions.

Akar and Wallace also discussed the possible procurement of C-130J military transport planes, according to the sources. The UK’s Defence Equipment Sales Authority (Desa) put its C-130J transport planes on sale in October. In its brochure, Desa added that 14 C-130J tactical aircraft would be made available for acquisition as they come out of service between 2023 and 2025.

The first source told MEE that C-130J, the most advanced version of the transport plane, would be a good addition to Turkey’s inventory, which is stretched because of Ankara’s missions to Libya.

“We already have C-130s in our inventory, it is an aircraft we already know well,” the Turkish source said. “We have necessary know-how to maintain and modernise them." The source added that Ankara has made heavy use of its fleet of A400Ms in Libya, which was building pressure on the aircraft.

UK-Turkey defence collaboration​

The two defence ministers are also looking for ways to find a British supplier to modernise Turkey's M60 tanks. The sources said Ankara’s own tank project, Altay, had been facing engine procurement issues and was running very late. “The military would like to maintain its battle readiness,” the first source added.

Middle East Eye has written to the British Ministry of Defence asking for comment. MEE reported on Thursday that the UK is also negotiating a deal to sell at least three Type 23 frigates to Turkey, which were slated for sale by the UK's defence ministry for 2023.

It isn't clear whether Ankara would be able to make a final decision on these potential purchases before presidential elections later this year. A new government might have different ideas about procurement plans.

Turkey and the UK have close defence relations due to their Nato partnership, but there is industrial cooperation as well. UK engine maker Rolls-Royce and its local partner Kale are expected to supply an engine for Ankara's first home-built fighter jet, the TF-X.

The UK-based BAE Systems is also collaborating closely with Turkish Aerospace Industries in the development of the jet, including its stealth technology.

The United Kingdom completely lifted all of its restrictions on the export of defence products to Turkey last May. Restrictions had been brought in following Ankara's 2019 offensive in northeast Syria.
 

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C-130J is a no-brainer. Our C-130 Erciyes modernization line is open. They will make an immediate impact on our military airlift capability and can be modernized to Erciyes configuration one by one. They are young planes and have a lot of flight hours left.
 

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Two squadron of Eurofighters would be good, if we can get them in addition to F16 Vipers and upgrades kits not instead of.
 

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So, the mentioned eurofighters are the second hand tranche 1's that will be modernised by us (to gain additional capabilites on different platform) or New tranche 4 fighters?
 

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So, the mentioned eurofighters are the second hand tranche 1's that will be modernised by us (to gain additional capabilites on different platform) or New tranche 4 fighters?
Limited two-seat Tranche 1 supply for OCU purposes. And most probably 2 squadrons of T3/T4 (maybe with +1/2 option). The EFs in the combatant squadrons will be able to use the full range of indigenous ordnance just like the F-4s. In other words, in a sense, the EF/Turkiye variant will replace the 54 F-4E 2020 Terminator aircrafts (although a significant number of them have now been withdrawn from the active inventory). Delegation talks on the F-35 will continue for many more years and it must have become clear that nothing will be achieved. It is possible that this is seen as a solution to this issue, as it is thought to be an EF purchase opportunity at the moment. Indeed, procuring aircraft from non-NATO sources involves enormous technical and political problems.

As fate would have it, in the 90s, when we were thinking of renewing the F-4E fleet, we again almost came to an agreement with the British. In fact, we were so far advanced in some technical and financial aspects that many people considered the Tornados certainty. Afterwards, the process somehow slowed down. Afterwards, offers were received from US manufacturers, but financial problems could not be overcome. And finally, the process that led to the F-4 modernization with IAI.

Let's see if an agreement with the British will be realized this time. I don't know the outcome, but this is the first time since the Tornado purchase negotiations that the defense ministries and air force staffs of the two countries have met so frequently.
 

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A part of this deal should ensure the Turkish drones are exported to the UK. This would also upon up the entire western world as a market for Turkish drones.
Yes, negotiations are ongoing on this issue as well. As you know, last year, the British announced that Project Mosquito, which was part of the "Light Affordable New Fighter Aircraft" program, had been halted (in more technical terms, put under review).

Also, the British company Thales UK had previously developed an unmanned aerial vehicle called the Watchkeeper with the Israeli company Elbit Systems. Developed on the Israeli-made Hermes 450 UAV, Watchkeeper is struggling with many problems. Within the scope of the Watchkeeper Project, which has a budget of about two more than planned, 8 or 9 UAVs have crashed so far due to various technical reasons.

In short, the British are grappling with very serious problems in the localization process in many critical UAV programs. For this reason, the UK defense ministry has conducted a series of technical meetings and visits to both TAI and BAYKAR.

It would be speculation at this point, but if such a large-scale defense agreement is being negotiated between the British and Turkish defense ministries (more precisely, if a long-term alliance relationship is being negotiated), it is possible that part of this may involve effectively solving some of the UAV needs of the British in a much faster and smoother timeframe.
 

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Negotiations for following aircrafts are continuing:

  • Up to 48 EF (Considering the scope of the long negotiations, I guess that this number is for the new T3/4s. Used EFs can be purchased out of these 2 squadrons mentioned by sources.When the new production T3/4s are the subject, Meteors will also be on the agenda as a missile payload. ) - Acc to some sources, EF talks with UK are proceeding independently from F16V.
  • 40 F16V : In congress approval phase
  • F35 talks in third period (It is a period in which I think US carries out with political expectations regarding Syria and S400 and it is not seem possibe to have a positive outcome without making concessions)
 

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