TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[GoatsMilk]

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lots of empty talk from Cavusolgu. The USA knows exactly what she is doing against us, talking about how we don't like it isn't going to change it. They are arming the PKK in our south, they push armenian agenda against us in the east and they are rapidly turning greece in our west into their colony. Meanwhile they place military embargoes against us.

Wake up AK party all your talking is a big reason we are in this mess to begin with. Got to have a strategy and then to incrementally implement it. The USA has Turkiye in her sights, who else does she need to arm and side with against us before you see the writing on the wall?

The americans are incrementally moving their pieces into position against us, there will come a point where they have positioned themselves in such a way, where they will let the mask down completely and then start portraying us as Saddams Iraq. Only way you defeat this is to get proactive and for us to make our own moves regionally. talking will achieve nothing for us but give the enemies time to work against us.

 

[Hasanrize]

Does anyone know if the F16 deal for Turkiye is in the same package as the deal for F35 for Greece?
If we don't buy the F-16, Greece wouldn't get F35s right?

Or is the F35 a separate deal that is not conditional on anything?

They will be approved together, but if we refuse, we won't get anything while Greece got F-35.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Its basically a threat towards Turkiye, you are going to accept our regional demands and get the inferior f16, but if you don't we are giving the greeks F35.

Why else attach the idea of greeks getting f35 to something Turkey wants to buy?

Honestly the relationship is coming to an end, we keep playing these games and they are going to keep taking the piss.

 

[Baryshx]

Its basically a threat towards Turkiye, you are going to accept our regional demands and get the inferior f16, but if you don't we are giving the greeks F35.

Why else attach the idea of greeks getting f35 to something Turkey wants to buy?

Honestly the relationship is coming to an end, we keep playing these games and they are going to keep taking the piss.

It is a great humiliation, if our rulers have honor and dignity, they will not take it. It is a comedy that we are equated with a helpless country like Greece.

What Turkiye will do is order new engines, nothing else.

 

[GoatsMilk]

You know the funny thing? Our F-16s will probably get blocked by people like Menendez, its so sad that a small country like Greece has so much lobbying power in Congress, but we can't even get approved 4th gen fighters whilst they get state of the art 5th gen fighters.

the answer shouldn't be cavusoglo going to america, it shoud be Turkish military visiting the americans in eastern syria.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Keep political issues out of such topics. Offtopic posts were deleted.

 

[Ecderha]

Does anyone know if the F16 deal for Turkiye is in the same package as the deal for F35 for Greece?
If we don't buy the F-16, Greece wouldn't get F35s right?

Or is the F35 a separate deal that is not conditional on anything?

If we don't buy the F-16, Greece wouldn't get F35s right?


usa was and is sided with greece.
usa do not give s..t about Turkiye!

It is a thug behaviour, usa made dead end package which Turkiye must pay 5 times more.
Turkiyes money will be also used for production military products for greece.

 

[Ecderha]

They will be approved together, but if we refuse, we won't get anything while Greece got F-35.

Well said.
Just to add that i hope Turkiye refuse. If accept then it also mean that Turkiye money will be spend to build greece F-35

 

[Ecderha]

You know the funny thing? Our F-16s will probably get blocked by people like Menendez, its so sad that a small country like Greece has so much lobbying power in Congress, but we can't even get approved 4th gen fighters whilst they get state of the art 5th gen fighters.

Actually I am really happy with this.
Turkiye try it all. There is only one way just be Strong and go own way.
Just Turkiye need to be Reactive.

 

[Ecderha]

It is a great humiliation, if our rulers have honor and dignity, they will not take it. It is a comedy that we are equated with a helpless country like Greece.

What Turkiye will do is order new engines, nothing else.

It is nothing to be feel humiliating.
Turkiye did not want to be slave anymore.

Turkiye is not in Control! Which is fine
Turkiye can not influence! Which is fine too

Turkiye is in control of own path. Turkiye need to stay at this path and continue to work on OWN military platforms.

Be patient. World changing.
Turkiye have rights on big table and it is not in usa power to suppress this.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615815654040379403

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Turkish Ministery of National Defence:

"Turkish and US defense ministries delegations held the second round of F35 consultations, the first of which was held in Ankara, on January 18, 2023, in Washington.

The delegations agreed on the continuation of consultations.

The next meeting is planned to be held in Ankara in the spring of 2023"

 

[Cabatli_TR]

This delegation agreed on the issues in the F16 and sent joint resolution to the congress. Now we also learn that similar talks have been made for the F35 and talks will continue for F35.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Empty talks for me.

 

[Shtr]

Maybe it is already obvious but I would like to sum up my thoughts about F35.

It is clear that our F35 jets are still in hangars. I understand this since US charging some costs for it. This can be interpreted that this action is deliberately requested from our side. I still think that Turkiye's side is still hopeful regarding getting these F35s. At some points they will definitely give back Turkiye.

There was a recent visit from Lockheed in Ankara regarding producing F16s in Turkey since their current capacity is fully filled by F35s.

I still believe that US will not provide any component for high tech products but I believe in they will continue to sell.

I am hopeful about situation.

 

[Heartbang]

Turkish Ministery of National Defence:

"Turkish and US defense ministries delegations held the second round of F35 consultations, the first of which was held in Ankara, on January 18, 2023, in Washington.

The delegations agreed on the continuation of consultations.

The next meeting is planned to be held in Ankara in the spring of 2023"

This delegation agreed on the issues in the F16 and sent joint resolution to the congress. Now we also learn that similar talks have been made for the F35 and talks will continue for F35.

Empty talks for me.

Emptier than a puff of fart. Theyll stall their heart out until the election concludes.

 

[boredaf]

Getting F-35s is tying ourselves down to US for another decade or two, at least, and even the best stealth jet available right now isn't worth that imo.

And it's not just because of the way US usually use the weapons like a leash around our necks either. It is because US is 1 or 2 elections away from turning into an Evangelical theocracy. They have been that way for years now and if Trump presidency proved anything it is that they are much closer and much more susceptible than anyone imagined.

Trusting US with your defense right now is like building your own gallows and weaving your own rope while waiting for the hangman to arrive.

 

[Huelague]

Türkiye, US agree to continue to hold F-35 talks

Turkish and American defense ministry delegations have agreed to continue to hold consultative talks on F-35 fighter jets, said the Defense Ministry on...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Kedikesenfare]

@all

You know what I don't comprehend?

How is TAI going to participate in our F16 order if CAATSA sanctions against SSB are still in force?


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The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Treasury, has selected the following sanctions from CAATSA Section 235, as implemented by Executive Order (E.O.) 13849, to impose on SSB:

• a prohibition on granting specific U.S. export licenses and authorizations for any goods or technology transferred to SSB (Section 235(a)(2));
• a prohibition on loans or credits by U.S. financial institutions to SSB totaling more than $10 million in any 12-month period (Section 235(a)(3));
• a ban on U.S. Export-Import Bank assistance for exports to SSB (Section 235(a)(1));
• a requirement for the United States to oppose loans benefitting SSB by international financial institutions (Section 235(a)(4)); and
• imposition of full blocking sanctions and visa restrictions (Section 235(a)(7), (8), (9), (11), and (12)) on Dr. Ismail Demir, president of SSB; Faruk Yigit, SSB’s vice president; Serhat Gencoglu, Head of SSB’s Department of Air Defense and Space; and Mustafa Alper Deniz, Program Manager for SSB’s Regional Air Defense Systems Directorate.

Source: https://2017-2021.state.gov/caatsa-...h-presidency-of-defense-industries/index.html

 

[moz68k]

Hello. I have a question about Turkish Air Force pilot training. I would like to know if I am aware of the stages of their training process and the aircraft used for it.

First of all, in the case of the Korean Air Force, there are three major training courses.
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(There are some errors in the image, but we need to change from T-103 to KT-100 in the first step.)

Is the Turkish Air Force similar to this process? And are the aircraft used in each stage in the order of SF-260D, KT-1T, and T-38M?

I roughly translated this page from the TurAF's website (last updated March 2022).

The Turkish Air Force trains its pilots by first providing four years of academic education at the Air Force Academy which includes practice flight training in T-41D aircraft, in addition to glider and parachute training. After graduation, they are subjected to Initial Flight Training in SF-260D aircraft in the inventory of the 2nd Main Jet Base Training Center Command in Çiğli, İzmir, followed by Basic Jet Training in KT-1T aircraft, and finally Advanced Jet Training in T38A Jet aircraft.

Pilot candidates who successfully complete Basic Jet Training are subjected to Advanced Helicopter and Advanced Transportation Pilot Training in order to meet the transportation and helicopter pilot requirement of the Air Force Command.

After successfully completing their pilot training and wearing their pilot badges, the young eagles arrive at the 193rd "Öncel" Squadron of the Balıkesir 9th Main Jet Base Command to receive F-16 Full Combat Readiness Training, which is the final stage to become a combat F-16 pilot, and combat pilots who successfully complete the training are assigned to F-16 squadrons within the Turkish Air Force.

TurAF inventory also includes 52 PAC MFI-17 Super Mushshaks, which are probably also used for practice.