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[Yasar_TR]

Again, I'm sure they are working on it but the nose has to be something like 70 or 80 cm in diameter (I think F-16 radome is about that size) to be able to fit Murad, if it was first designed to fit into an F-16 radome. Take a look at the nose of Anka-3, does that look like it can fit in there at all?

Does an Aesa radar has to be perfect circle or square? No! It can be rectangular, octagonal or ellipsoidal. In fact most are rectangular. I measured that area under the air intake to be over 110cm wide. Under air intake the plane is quite plump.
They altered a lot of measurements in Kaan P1.
They can do the same for this too.
This new plane is to have a 1.7 ton useful load capacity. They are most likely building it to carry an Aesa radar too.
If there is a will there is a way.

EDIT

@IC3M@N FX Ivchenko Progress can not manufacture engines. They are a design bureau.
It is the bombed Motor Sich company that manufactures engines. As far as I know, after heavy bombings the only engines they are still trying to manufacture are helicopter ones.

 

[Oublious]

TB3 in action..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2112534553986245090

 

[Tonyukuk]

Anka 2 is known as Aksungur, I wonder if Anka 3 will also have its own name?

If you guys had to choose, what would you name it?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Anka 2 is known as Aksungur, I wonder if Anka 3 will also have its own name?

If you guys had to choose, what would you name it?

Going by appearance and its role as a deep strike aircraft that's a total nightmare for adversaries, I'd choose Erlik.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Anka 2 is known as Aksungur, I wonder if Anka 3 will also have its own name?

If you guys had to choose, what would you name it?

GökTürk
Göktuğ
Gökalp

 

[boredaf]

Aksungur apparently used Aselbuoys during the recent exercise, but the numbers seem very low:

AKSUNGUR'a Deniz Görevlerinde Yeni Kabiliyet | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ tarafından geliştirilen AKSUNGUR, TURNAs-26 Tatbikatı'nda ASELSAN'ın geliştirdiği 3 adet ASELBUOY'u denize bırakarak akustik veri topladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2113902844894175690

 

[Yasar_TR]

AKSUNGUR TOLUN HIT THE TARGET ON HIS FIRST SHOT WITH HIS P.

AKSUNGUR, using the ASELSAN-produced TOLUN P bunker-busting guided munition, conducted its first test firing. The UAV, developed by TUSAŞ, hit the target with pinpoint accuracy.

addrmagazine.com

Tolun-P firing from Aksungur. That is what is called a real “Bullseye”.
No wonder Nigeria is to purchase 12 of the Aksungur drones and a further 6 t-129 helicopters.

Africa’s 3rd-strongest military set to join Niger, Kyrgyzstan with planned acquisition of Turkish-made TUSAŞ Aksungur combat drones

Nigeria is planning to add 12 Turkish-made TUSAŞ Aksungur unmanned combat aerial drones to its air force, potentially expanding its capacity to monitor militant activity and conduct long-endurance operations as the country continues to battle terrorism and armed violence

africa.businessinsider.com

The NAF to Acquire 18 Attack Helicopters | TURDEF

The Nigerian Air Force will be equipped with 18 attack helicopters from the United States and Turkiye.

turdef.com

 

[Fatman17]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2117091918157091294

 

[Burberryswine]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2117091918157091294

Old video, we saw serial production KEs before up to S5, the S5 was shown on the NATO Summit in Ankara.

 

[Iskander]

"Orion" — Russia’s "Bayraktar (Bayraktar TB2) killer."

The story of how the Russians decided to create a "Bayraktar killer."
Part one. 2021.
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"Bayraktar Killer": Russia brings the "Orion-E" combat drone to the international market.

The Russian "Orion-E" drone, in its combat configuration, has entered the global arms market. Russia is offering an export version of the UAV to international clients.

Russia has begun promoting the "Orion-E" UAV on the international market, and orders for the drone have already been placed. Specifically, this concerns the combat variant of the drone, rather than the reconnaissance version, which is also available for export. According to a source in the defense industry, the combat-capable "Orion-E" features a "versatile weapons suite," including unguided and precision-guided aerial bombs, as well as various guided missiles.

As of today, the source claims, there are several requests for the new Russian drone, with deliveries scheduled for late this year or early next year. It is further emphasized that, in terms of the overall combination of "price, quality, and onboard intelligence," the "Orion-E" outperforms foreign counterparts—including the widely publicized Turkish "Bayraktar."

"It is expected that, based on its overall performance characteristics... the 'Orion-E' will be one of the best offerings on the market and will serve as a 'killer' for competitors such as the Turkish 'Bayraktar,'"

— RIA Novosti reports, citing a source in the defense industry.

The "Orion" was developed by the Kronstadt company under the "Inokhodets" (Pacer) research and development project, pursuant to a contract with the Ministry of Defense. The UAV is capable of remaining airborne for up to 24 hours while carrying its maximum payload. Its flight altitude is 7,500 meters. The drone has a maximum payload capacity of 450 kg and can carry four missiles on board.

By Vladimir Lytkin.

Commentary 83

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://topwar.ru/184519-ubijca-bajraktara-rossija-vyvodit-na-mezhdunarodnyj-rynok-udarnyj-bespilotnik-orion-je.html&ved=2ahUKEwj7wLHF5fWXAxXBgf0HHeMeMFIQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw10GYgMKAPvfmIQPq6L4Uix

 

[Sanchez]

"Bayraktar Killer": Russia brings the "Orion-E" combat drone to the international market.

As we are aware only sold to Ethiopia and Algeria; two Russian customers that always bought Russian.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

"Orion" — Russia’s "Bayraktar (Bayraktar TB2) killer."

View attachment 83869

The story of how the Russians decided to create a "Bayraktar killer."
Part one. 2021.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Bayraktar Killer": Russia brings the "Orion-E" combat drone to the international market.

The Russian "Orion-E" drone, in its combat configuration, has entered the global arms market. Russia is offering an export version of the UAV to international clients.

Russia has begun promoting the "Orion-E" UAV on the international market, and orders for the drone have already been placed. Specifically, this concerns the combat variant of the drone, rather than the reconnaissance version, which is also available for export. According to a source in the defense industry, the combat-capable "Orion-E" features a "versatile weapons suite," including unguided and precision-guided aerial bombs, as well as various guided missiles.

As of today, the source claims, there are several requests for the new Russian drone, with deliveries scheduled for late this year or early next year. It is further emphasized that, in terms of the overall combination of "price, quality, and onboard intelligence," the "Orion-E" outperforms foreign counterparts—including the widely publicized Turkish "Bayraktar."

"It is expected that, based on its overall performance characteristics... the 'Orion-E' will be one of the best offerings on the market and will serve as a 'killer' for competitors such as the Turkish 'Bayraktar,'"

— RIA Novosti reports, citing a source in the defense industry.

The "Orion" was developed by the Kronstadt company under the "Inokhodets" (Pacer) research and development project, pursuant to a contract with the Ministry of Defense. The UAV is capable of remaining airborne for up to 24 hours while carrying its maximum payload. Its flight altitude is 7,500 meters. The drone has a maximum payload capacity of 450 kg and can carry four missiles on board.

By Vladimir Lytkin.

Commentary 83

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://topwar.ru/184519-ubijca-bajraktara-rossija-vyvodit-na-mezhdunarodnyj-rynok-udarnyj-bespilotnik-orion-je.html&ved=2ahUKEwj7wLHF5fWXAxXBgf0HHeMeMFIQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw10GYgMKAPvfmIQPq6L4Uix

Sounds like a sales pitch to countries that have been complaining about their neighbouring rivals are buying that TB-2s, such as India (Pakistan), Armenia (Azerbaijan), Serbia (Kosovo), and RSF in Sudan's internal war which have lost over a dozen UAV/UCAVs mostly made in China.

It's marketed as a solution for the TB-2s, after their various AD systems being humiliated in Syria, Libya and Armenia by the very drone which is now being shadowed by the ones that followed like the modified TB-2T-AI, the TB-3 and the rest of the larger, more sophisticated platforms which Türkiye has been, slowly but firmly, adding to its inventory.

Of course, most of the world has made the grave mistake of largely underestimating the Russians, whether militarily, economically or technologically.
Although some can argue that their tech is not on par with NATO standards, the fact that when everybody was expecting Russia to collapse within months after being hit with heavy sanctions from the west, the managed to achieve an impressive counter-move e.g. buying Iranian kamikaze drones, then producing them in Russia in large numbers, later being modified after lessons learned from the battlefield.

Fact is, nobody expected Russia to endure all that pressure.
Especially as Ukraine being financed and supported with all kind of weapon donations and sales.
Yet Russia is still going, still holding onto the occupied Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.

So, although this Orion it may not be a TB-2 killer per se, I'm sure that it may have been modified to counter drones in a way that are probably as effective as the Russians' anti-drone drones. Just like what they did with the Pantsirs which later became more effective against the TB-2s in Ukraine after humiliating lessons in Libya, Syria, Karabagh, and Ukraine.

 

[Iskander]

As we are aware only sold to Ethiopia and Algeria; two Russian customers that always bought Russian.

This article was written in 2021, shortly after the Karabakh War. It was quite curious to observe the reaction of Russian military experts to the relentless attacks by Bayraktar TB-2 drones. Russian specialists were baffled: how could an aircraft weighing 650 kilograms manage to destroy hundreds of "legendary" T-72 tanks? To be more precise—they were absolutely shocked. In an attempt to reassure their audience, Russian military websites and publications began churning out articles with sensationalist headlines. While the texts themselves are rather weak, the comment sections deserve special attention: they reveal a glimmer of hope that a countermeasure against the TB-2 has finally been found. The emergence of the Bayraktar TB-2 proved to be a highly unpleasant surprise—not only for Assad’s generals, but also for Armenian and Russian military commanders, and even for one field marshal in Libya.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This article was written in 2021, shortly after the Karabakh War. It was quite curious to observe the reaction of Russian military experts to the relentless attacks by Bayraktar TB-2 drones. Russian specialists were baffled: how could an aircraft weighing 650 kilograms manage to destroy hundreds of "legendary" T-72 tanks? To be more precise—they were absolutely shocked. In an attempt to reassure their audience, Russian military websites and publications began churning out articles with sensationalist headlines. While the texts themselves are rather weak, the comment sections deserve special attention: they reveal a glimmer of hope that a countermeasure against the TB-2 has finally been found. The emergence of the Bayraktar TB-2 proved to be a highly unpleasant surprise—not only for Assad’s generals, but also for Armenian and Russian military commanders, and even for one field marshal in Libya.

Bro, Bayraktar TB2 had it's first real military encounter in Syria during Operation Euphrates Shield in 2016.
İt had no real impact as a tactical UCAV. İt was used as an intelligence gathering UAV more than a UCAV. Even then it had problems against enemy's ground AD systems. Where as TUSAŞ 's Anka1 UCAVs had more success due to it's EW capability, TB2 was a let down. Only after similar EW capabilities were introduced to TB2s, did they become effective. With KORAL EW added to the equation in the battlefield, it was invincible.

TB2's small body and very low speed also played an important role in it's success. Russian AD systems had not been expecting such a small and slow adversary. But the real game changer was the EW capabilities of the Turkish military. During Karabagh war, any solution Russians supplied Armenian side against TB2, was soon eliminated within an hour by the EW updates applied to the TB2.

TB2 may be getting old a little. But that old UCAV with Turkish EW capability, can still play havoc on Russian armour. Don't count it out yet.

 

[Iskander]

Bro, Bayraktar TB2 had it's first real military encounter in Syria during Operation Euphrates Shield in 2016.
İt had no real impact as a tactical UCAV. İt was used as an intelligence gathering UAV more than a UCAV. Even then it had problems against enemy's ground AD systems. Where as TUSAŞ 's Anka1 UCAVs had more success due to it's EW capability, TB2 was a let down. Only after similar EW capabilities were introduced to TB2s, did they become effective. With KORAL EW added to the equation in the battlefield, it was invincible.

TB2's small body and very low speed also played an important role in it's success. Russian AD systems had not been expecting such a small and slow adversary. But the real game changer was the EW capabilities of the Turkish military. During Karabagh war, any solution Russians supplied Armenian side against TB2, was soon eliminated within an hour by the EW updates applied to the TB2.

TB2 may be getting old a little. But that old UCAV with Turkish EW capability, can still play havoc on Russian armour. Don't count it out yet.

Yes, I remember. I believe it was that same year that a TB-2 scored its first hit—on a van carrying a missile launcher. Turkish television channels played that famous footage all day long.
I followed the course of the conflict in Libya. TB-2s began arriving there in 2019; at that time, it appears they were operating without the support of electronic warfare (EW) systems—such as the Koral—and were frequently shot down. After an agreement was signed with Tripoli, the Koral system appeared in Libya, along with—in all likelihood—Turkish specialists. That was when the Russian "Pantsir" systems began to run into serious trouble. By the spring of 2020, losses of TB-2s had dropped sharply.
Naturally, their low speed ended up playing a cruel trick on the Russian anti-aircraft systems.
Now that the Bayraktars are equipped with their own onboard EW systems, the crews of the "Pantsir" units are likely in for a rough time.