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[Spitfire9]

Türkiye Requests Latest Configuration Eurofighter Typhoon
Minister of National Defense Yaşar GÜLER will meet with his counterpart, United Kingdom Minister of Defense Grant SHAPPS, who came to Ankara as his official guest today. At the meeting, where bilateral and regional defense and security and defense industry cooperation issues will be discussed, the issue of Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft procurement, which Turkey is interested in, is also on the agenda of today's program. According to defense sources, the purchase of second-hand aircraft is not considered for the Eurofighter Typhoon procurement. Turkey has a request to purchase the latest configuration of the Eurofighter, with a total of 40 aircraft in two packages of 20+20.

Türkiye Requests Latest Configuration Eurofighter Typhoon

To me, before entering into the request for information, request for price process it would be sensible for UK to poll the 4 partner countries to see if any would object to supplying Turkiye. It might make a political point for Turkiye to be refused (or not) supply. From Eurofighter's point of view, what is the point of doing a lot of work on a sales enquiry if it can be established in advance that it would be a complete waste of time?

It would be interesting, though, to see what price was agreed for a 40 frame order with support.

 

[Ryder]

The Germans are going to ruin this deal.

Mark my words I was about to say something ama it will get me banned.

 

[guest12]

UK and AIRBUS can make it happen.350 AIRBUS aircraft order from THY should create enough pressure on Berlin.

 

[Samba]

UK and AIRBUS can make it happen.350 AIRBUS aircraft order from THY should create enough pressure on Berlin.

This is what I was gonna say as well. When it comes to money, things can change alot easier in contrast to the US.

 

[Zafer]

UK and AIRBUS can make it happen.350 AIRBUS aircraft order from THY should create enough pressure on Berlin.

Russian passenger planes along with engines are progressing very well at the moment. If we should allocate some of our plane procurement to Russia we can be on the winning side. We can use Russian planes on routes where western planes are not really required.

 

[boredaf]

If we should allocate some of our plane procurement to Russia we can be on the winning side. We can use Russian planes on routes where wester planes are not really required.

No we wouldn't be, how on earth can you be so blind to reality that we live in? Russia is a pariah state from now on, there will be no normalization even if the war ends. Doing anymore business with them is unnecessarily shooting ourselves in the foot and nothing more.

 

[Zafer]

No we wouldn't be, how on earth can you be so blind to reality that we live in? Russia is a pariah state from now on, there will be no normalization even if the war ends. Doing anymore business with them is unnecessarily shooting ourselves in the foot and nothing more.

I don't think so, the west is on the decline, China and Russia are on the path to being independant in aviation. This means there will be 4 sources of passenger planes instead of 2. We can diversify our procurement and get better terms in deals. We should not buy 355 planes from vendors who will not even sell us an older generation fighter jet.

 

[Spitfire9]

Russian passenger planes along with engines are progessing very well at the moment. If we should allocate some of our plane procurement to Russia we can be on the winning side. We can use Russian planes on routes where wester planes are not really required.

Sukhoi tried hard to make an airliner that would appeal to export customers. The Sukhoi Superjet did well initially in service with Mexican airline Interjet, with over 99% despatch reliability. Within a very few years most of their fleet was grounded due to lack of OEM support. Interjet went bust. My latest memory is that Aeroflot's fleet instead of flying 10+ hours a day on average flew more like 1-3.

Buying Russian airliners would be a massive risk for THY.

 

[boredaf]

I don't think so, the west is on the decline, China and Russia are on the path to being independant in aviation.

Mate, I know you usually have a rose tinted glasses on when it comes to our country and our products but if you truly believe that West is on the decline while China and Russia is the way to go forward, you need to change your information sources and make a whole lot more research. Russia isn't the path to anything but being a pariah, and claiming their planes are better than Western companies is just preposterous.

 

[Zafer]

Mate, I know you usually have a rose tinted glasses on when it comes to our country and our products but if you truly believe that West is on the decline while China and Russia is the way to go forward, you need to change your information sources and make a whole lot more research. Russia isn't the path to anything but being a pariah, and claiming their planes are better than Western companies is just preposterous.

I did not claim that they are better.

It is enough if they are satisfactory. Because of China and Russia entering the market the US and Europe market shares will shrink and they will no make good revenues anymore which will effect their innovatve edge.

On the other hand once we are done making engines for fighter jets we can enter the passenger plane engines market. We can convert our fighterjet engine material science capabilities to high bypass turbofan business. We can make several sizes to cover our needs and maybe sell some to others.

 

[boredaf]

Because of China and Russia entering the market the US and Europe market shares will shrink and they will no make good revenues anymore which will effect their innovatve edge.

You are reaching waaaaaaaaay too far there. Neither China nor Russia will make a significant dent in civilian plane sales of US or Europe. And their "innovative edge" is absolutely not dependent on whether they sell planes or not. Seriously, US alone has more budget for r&d in a year than our entire military budget for maybe 10 years, how on earth can you seriously believe that they will lose any of their advantage because their plane sales maybe decrease, which is still not that likely to happen at all.

 

[Ecderha]

TUSAŞ General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil:
"We will install ASELSAN radar, which can see 200 km, on Hürjet.
Its nose is made accordingly, so it will be the same as the F-16 radar, and we will place our missiles on it.
Hürjet will land at TCG Anatolia."


"Hürjet's hourly flight costs on average is that you can divide the F-16's flight cost by 5."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727560050628063588

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727685724453970009

Typhoon purchase issue is getting hotter. Türkiye has made it’s intentions about the purchase of 40 latest version -presumably Tranche 4/5 Typhoon very clear to UK.
UK defence minister has made a visit to Ankara upon the request of his Turkish counterpart.
Now it is up to UK and Spain to get Germans to lift any blocks they may put on this sale.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727685724453970009

Typhoon purchase issue is getting hotter. Türkiye has made it’s intentions about the purchase of 40 latest version -presumably Tranche 4/5 Typhoon very clear to UK.
UK defence minister has made a visit to Ankara upon the request of his Turkish counterpart.
Now it is up to UK and Spain to get Germans to lift any blocks they may put on this sale.

Glad to hear that we are after the new versions of Typhoon, although maybe UK could throw in a few two seaters for training too. UK really needs this and Spain has pretty good relationship with us in military cooperation and literally thousands of jobs on the line in both UK and Germany. Let's see how much pressure they can put on Scholz.

 

[infrared]

TUSAŞ General Manager Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil:
"We will install ASELSAN radar, which can see 200 km, on Hürjet.
Its nose is made accordingly, so it will be the same as the F-16 radar, and we will place our missiles on it.
Hürjet will land at TCG Anatolia."


"Hürjet's hourly flight costs on average is that you can divide the F-16's flight cost by 5."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727560050628063588

In the meantime, Armenian and Greek diaspora is leaning back on their chair smirking and thinking "They talk everything in public and giving us everything to block Turkiye from getting engines even for simple trainer jets."

I was hoping maybe things would change after Haluk Gorgun replaces Ismail Demir.

 

[Sanchez]

Turkey and UK signed a new defence cooperation deal during British MoD's Ankara visit today. Couldn't find anything regarding specifics tho. Probably just some nice words.
Nothing special in the article.
"The statement of intent on defense cooperation, which was signed on the sidelines of Shapps’ official visit to Turkey, is aiming for “closer collaboration between both countries’ defense industries,” according to the UK Defense Ministry.

A statement from the ministry added the pact will see "closer collaboration between both countries’ defense industries, the identification of possible joint training exercises in the Mediterranean, and the exploration of security support around North Africa and the Middle East."

Turkey, UK sign defense deal as Ankara presses for Eurofighter jets

The move comes as Ankara ramps up its push to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon jets amid the absence of any progress on the Turkish bid to buy 40 new F-16 jets from the United States.

www.al-monitor.com

 

[Huelague]

The Germans are going to ruin this deal.

Mark my words I was about to say something ama it will get me banned.

4 mio Turks in Germany and no powerfull lobby. What a shame.

 

[cr33pt3d]

4 mio Turks in Germany and no powerfull lobby. What a shame.

Not every TC passport Holder is Turkish, specially in Germany, France, Belgium etc ... half of them are PKK sympathizers.
bastards have amazing lobby power but against Turkey .
If you ever spend half an hour in any Turkish consulate in Europe you will understand .

 

[dBSPL]

In the EF consortium, the UK in particular is taking a firm stance. Spain and the Italy also support this stance. Because all three countries have a good understanding of the value of the Turkish air force and a more coherent understanding of the geopolitics of continental Europe and the Mediterranean basin. My personal view is that these three countries will do whatever it takes to include the TAF in the EF ecosystem. If Germany continues to drag its feet, things might even get ugly.

 

[boredaf]

In the EF consortium, the UK in particular is taking a firm stance. Spain and the Italy also support this stance. Because all three countries have a good understanding of the value of the Turkish air force and a more coherent understanding of the geopolitics of continental Europe and the Mediterranean basin. My personal view is that these three countries will do whatever it takes to include the TAF in the EF ecosystem. If Germany continues to drag its feet, things might even get ugly.

They are also aware that they need orders to keep the production lines and workers, because as it stands entire thing will collapse on its own around 2030. Germany digging in its heels isn't even helping Germany here and actively hurting every other country in EF production.