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[Heartbang]

I think pushing our luck too much with the F16 deal

There's nothing unreasonable with our demands.
If we let them make those planes there they won't be coming until after 2030.
They are the ones who are being unreasonable. It's as if they have some sort of ulterior motive...

 

[somegoodusername]

Stopped Turkish operations against PKK in Syria, without giving Turkey anything.
Convinced Turkey to let Sweden and Finland into NATO, without giving Turkey anything.
Bought hundreds of thousand of artillery shells from Turkey for Israel, without giving Turkey anything.
Bought massive artillery shell production from Turkey, without giving Turkey anything.

And they call this guy braindead...

 

[godel44]

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Stopped Turkish operations against PKK in Syria, without giving Turkey anything.
Convinced Turkey to let Sweden and Finland into NATO, without giving Turkey anything.
Bought hundreds of thousand of artillery shells from Turkey for Israel, without giving Turkey anything.
Bought massive artillery shell production from Turkey, without giving Turkey anything.

And they call this guy braindead...

Any source for the last two claims?

 

[somegoodusername]

Any source for the last two claims?

US 155mm stockpiles are depleting due to supplies sent to Israel. US needs to maintain a certain stock level for potential conflicts. Turkey sends a few hundred thousand shells to the US. US suddenly feels secure enough to send more shells to Israel. So, who did Turkey actually send the shells to?

 

[Nutuk]

I could add one more:
Sold F35's to Turkiye without delivering

 

[I_Love_F16]

US 155mm stockpiles are depleting due to supplies sent to Israel

Was it not Ukraine instead ?

 

[Radko]

US 155mm stockpiles are depleting due to supplies sent to Israel. US needs to maintain a certain stock level for potential conflicts. Turkey sends a few hundred thousand shells to the US. US suddenly feels secure enough to send more shells to Israel. So, who did Turkey actually send the shells to?

No, Turkey is currently building a 155mm production line in USA, getting paid while doing so

 

[boredaf]

Was it not Ukraine instead ?

Yeah, Israel barely uses artillery in their massacre, but people don't let facts get in the way of their agendas, do they? Like for example US paying for those artillery shells and production lines, as they literally bought them.

Or the fact that we hit terrorists in Syria even after US shot down one of our drones. And even before that we hit the targets we thought we need to when we wanted to, if we really did what US wanted to we would've been out of Syria and Iraq completely.

Or the fact that if we got nothing out of Finland and Sweden's NATO membership it is the fault of our own government instead of any other. Even though we did get several embargoes lifted, F-16 and munition/spare parts/upgrade deal approved and now Germany approved munition and spare part/upgrade package sales.

Or the fact that Turkey was removed from the F-35 program while Trump was president and joined the program while Bush was president (production started in 2006 or 2007).

 

[Fatman17]

113 Filo "Gazelle (Ceylan)" (TuAF)

 

[Yasar_TR]

SON DAKİKA: | NTV Haber

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için 40 adet Eurofighter Typoon savaş uçağı alımında Almanya engeli kalkıyor. Satış için uzun süredir engel koyan Almanya, teknik görüşmelerin başlamasına onay verdi. Eurofihter konsorsiyumunu oluşturan İngiltere, İtalya, İspanya ve Almanya'dan teknik bir heyet Türkiye'ye...

www.ntv.com.tr

If this news piece is correct, we are in line to purchase 40 Typhoon fighters with 24 asap and a further 16 to follow, after news of Germany lifting it’s opposition to the sale.
Already the consortium representatives of the 4 countries are in Türkiye, discussing the nitty gritty of the purchase deal for the next 3 weeks.

 

[Khagan1923]

SON DAKİKA: | NTV Haber

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri için 40 adet Eurofighter Typoon savaş uçağı alımında Almanya engeli kalkıyor. Satış için uzun süredir engel koyan Almanya, teknik görüşmelerin başlamasına onay verdi. Eurofihter konsorsiyumunu oluşturan İngiltere, İtalya, İspanya ve Almanya'dan teknik bir heyet Türkiye'ye...

www.ntv.com.tr

If this news piece is correct, we are in line to purchase 40 Typhoon fighters with 24 asap and a further 16 to follow, after news of Germany lifting it’s opposition to the sale.
Already the consortium representatives of the 4 countries are in Türkiye, discussing the nitty gritty of the purchase deal for the next 3 weeks.


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+ to this even though for many it seems impossible people shouldn't be surpised to see a order be placed for F-35s in the near future....

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP is as the Air Force wants the Tranche 5 configuration and acc. to the last credible rumours that was also what the brits were offering unless there is a way to upgrade jets to Tranche 5 later on...

Though I haven't been able to find any information on what Tranche 5 even entails.

 

[boredaf]

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP

Well... since ASAP mean as soon as possible, we'll get them as soon as possible, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be soon.

However, I wonder if we might also get some earlier version two seater trainers if there were any among the ones UK was looking to sell. Getting those in early might be logical if this sale is to go through.

 

[Samba]

May this be connected with new law proposal for defense tax?

 

[Sanchez]

Also don't know how possible the 24 fighters ASAP is as the Air Force wants the Tranche 5 configuration and acc. to the last credible rumours that was also what the brits were offering unless there is a way to upgrade jets to Tranche 5 later on...

There's currently no Tranche 5. Current production aircraft for Germany is the Quadriga, the T4 model. If Turkey signs, it might be the first T5 customer.

Numbers are interesting. I think "ASAP" here could mean close to 5 years.

Quoting my post from august.

One thing to add, If Turkey is able to place an order for EF Tranche 5, which is not yet an active phase, it would also be a carrot for UK and German governments, because costs would decrease. But Turkey being the launch customer for T5, also would mean greater Turkish political interest in the project, which I doubt the same governments would like very much. As Turkey won't be a part of the consortium, noone would want to give some part of the reins to Turkey over the future of the project. For F-35, US was the only voice that mattered, for EF, it's 4 countries. Even if they lower their procurement of the aircraft, they won't want to relinquish control over their baby.

 

[Zafer]

There's currently no Tranche 5. Current production aircraft for Germany is the Quadriga, the T4 model. If Turkey signs, it might be the first T5 customer.

Numbers are interesting. I think "ASAP" here could mean close to 5 years.

Quoting my post from august.

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

 

[boredaf]

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

How many times...

IF we are lucky beyond belief and there are no setbacks or complications and IF TEI/TAI aren't exaggerating/overselling their product, we MIGHT get TF35K ready for test flights in Kaan in 2028. At that point, I have to point this out, it would be part of the aerospace history as it would probably be the fastest jet engine ever to get from design to test flight phase.

Even then, we would probably still be a year or two away from having Kaan ready to fly with two working and fully tested TF35K. THEN, we would have to produce both Kaan and TF35K in numbers high enough, which will also take few years, again, if there are no complications.

Some bloody realism mate, please. Despite what armchair generals might think, people in charge of our actual air force and military in general probably have a better understanding of what we need and when we can get it.

 

[Oublious]

In 5 years we will be getting our Kaan powered by our TF35K engine, we better not touch somebody else's weapons. The world is changing but our TSK want to stick to old school.

If everything goes well first test will start in 2030 begin, how long will the test last?

 

[what]

Good news. A decent stop gap solution if the price is right

 

[Azeri441]

is the F-16V deal still going through if the Eurofighter deal goes through as well?

 

[Zafer]

We are talking about something that is totally up to Turkish engineers performance and the leadership that leads them. Hard work and more resource allocation can speed things up by a good margin. While this is a fact getting in costly long term engagements is only political and not rational. It is only a matter of a 1 year timeframe before unmanned jets prove their worth. With the first Turkish made turbofan engine being available for integration it is only a year before we start retiring older planes and giving weight to the robotic planes. What is this rush to engage long term with people who have conflicts of interest with us. It is only asking for trouble and nothing else. We have already the $1.45bn investment that we are yet to recover and they still want to engage more with the other hand of the same body.