TR Aircraft Carrier and Amphibious Ship Programs

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1500830592153313283

I have always been one of the sceptics about the protection systems present on TCG Anadolu. But looking at the amount of self protection there is on this to be flagship, my worries are dissipating a little bit;
5 x Aselsan 25mm STOP,
2 x Phalanx 20mm CIWS,
1 x RAM (may be 2 ; at least that is what it looks like - I would prefer Levent ER but probably won’t be ready for a while yet) @Anmdt may shed more light to it.
There may be a Torpedo decoy launcher,
I still think a VLS basket with G40 or ESSM wouldn’t go a miss!

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She will also have Nazar DIRCM, at least 3.
All but the fore RCWS spots can support 35mm multi purpose gun but for now it is STOP.

Yes there is TACM, Hizir TKAS.

Sapan CIWS missile will be ready for TTHB, so it is not that far.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501950632726446091

TCG Anadolu, which is planned to be put into service in December 2022, was launched into the Marmara Sea.

 

[Abdelaziz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501950632726446091

TCG Anadolu, which is planned to be put into service in December 2022, was launched into the Marmara Sea.

Looks like their is preparations for drones launch from the platform

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501950632726446091

TCG Anadolu, which is planned to be put into service in December 2022, was launched into the Marmara Sea.

The lighter colored region close to the aft in the runway looked me as a specially strengthened and coated F-35B (and Osprey) suitable landing area.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The lighter colored region close to the aft in the runway looked me as a specially strengthened and coated F-35B (and Osprey) suitable landing area.
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That looks more like a preparatory work carried out for an arresting system. I may be wrong but, it looks like they have taken out that area of the aft portion of the runway and covered it with a temporary surface material.
Besides, if I remember correctly, the surface of the TCG Anadolu was already treated and covered with the right stuff to withstand the extra heat of the f35 nozzle.

 

[Hexciter]

That looks more like a preparatory work carried out for an arresting system. I may be wrong but, it looks like they have taken out that area of the aft portion of the runway and covered it with a temporary surface material.
Besides, if I remember correctly, the surface of the TCG Anadolu was already treated and covered with the right stuff to withstand the extra heat of the f35 nozzle.

Requirement was asking a region, not all runway.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501801712901894144

 

[Brave Janissary]

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I dont understand why they are establish bekçi kulübesi on the runway of aircraft carrier ?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502350195450855428

 

[Anmdt]

The lighter colored region close to the aft in the runway looked me as a specially strengthened and coated F-35B (and Osprey) suitable landing area.

F-35 / Harrier and Ospreys may land on anywhere on the Deck if i remember correctly from Juan Carlos I and assuming the deck structure and coating kept same.

This could be due to an unfinished work on the deck, the deck has not been completed and delivered yet.

That particular section could have gone undergone some minor modification (for future drone integration), thus delayed from the rest.

 

[Hexciter]

F-35 / Harrier and Ospreys may land on anywhere on the Deck if i remember correctly from Juan Carlos I and assuming the deck structure and coating kept same.

This could be due to an unfinished work on the deck, the deck has not been completed and delivered yet.

That particular section could have gone undergone some minor modification (for future drone integration), thus delayed from the rest.

Harrier land can land anywhere on the the Juan Carlos and Canberra class, F-35 needs special treatment which not available on them. (No comment on the Osprey.)

 

[Anmdt]

Harrier land can land anywhere on the the Juan Carlos and Canberra class, F-35 needs special treatment which not available on them. (No comment on the Osprey.)

The special jet-resistant coating is also applied for the Harrier operations. The F-35B, however, may require a different coating since F-35B's exhaust temperature is more than 2 times of the Harrier's, plus it has higher thrust directed towards a single point unlike harrier's too, and higher velocity.

At this stage what we know (publicly available); the whole landing deck of Anadolu is jet resistant (it was stated as such in the RfP) and TN was hoping to operate F-35Bs.

That would be very odd to spare a single spot for vertical landing on a ship that was once supposed to operate F-35Bs effectively; unless they have decided to keep costs low as the hopes for the F-35B has faded and gone away (in favor of something else), and spared a single spot with a special coating for NATO integration.

I believe they will keep the whole deck coated as it was planned, just in case. And that particular area is either related to provisional modification for arrest wire system integration or the elavator and its installation and acceptance procedures.

 

[Hexciter]

 

[Hexciter]

 

[Test7]

TCG Anadolu's command boat was delivered. The boat was produced by Gepa Fiberglass.

 

[Anmdt]

Demir: TRMotor, Rolls-Royce-Kale-Pratt, TEI have to work together for the TF-X engine

President of Defence Industries (SSB), Professor Ismail Demir talked to Turkish Defence portal TurDef at Qatar, DIMDEX naval expo, about the delivery timing of TCG Anadolu LHD to the Turkish Navy, the TF-X’s engine, why Turkey is not concerned about the Ukrainian UAV engines at the moment. He...

www.turdef.com

@TurDef

Demir: We were expecting it to enter the inventory in 2021. The excuse for every delay seems to be due to the covit-19 pandemic. The shipbuilding conditions require working side by side. The pandemic is a problem here. The fire on the ship also caused the delay. These were unexpected topics. We’re pushing it problematic that it would be delivered in 2022. It might be an oversight to expect all functions to be up and running on such a large ship.


On the other hand, some works can be completed even while the vessel is cruising. There is no difference between completing them at the port or during the cruise. It is necessary to agree with the end-user. If some elements can be completed during the cruise, delivery within this year will not be a problem. Suppose the end-user wants to receive the ship after everything is completed. In that case, we will be planning the delivery for this year again, but I do not want to make a promise that I may not keep it. We’re trying our best to deliver within this year.

As expected, even harbor acceptance tests of Anadolu LHD is not completed as of April 2022. They are trying to convince Turkish Navy to carry out certain acceptance and works during the sea-trials to accelerate the schedule but so far some of those works had better be completed on the harbor due to the safety reasons and TN refuses.

The fire incident or the pandemics had a little impact on the schedule as well (1 to 3 months at most). There were other incidents that he is not mentioning here related to shipyard and certain issues related with the planning (again related to the shipyard) when the project was commenced.

I noted this a year, or several years ago as well. Anadolu will be in service by 2023, Q1.

 

[Anmdt]

AIRCRAFT CARRIER WILL BE BUILT

Turkey made a request to the UK to buy a new HMS Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier.

The British rejected this offer and instead offered to support the design and construction of an aircraft carrier to be built in Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1512474484535611392

How reliable is this
Oğuzhan Uygun?


Who is he and on what basis can we take him as a source?

It's not my intention to bash anyone, I don't know the guy that's why I am asking. We cannot just blindly trust any twitter account.

He is not reliable, this claim itself is not reliable.

It was stated by several officials that TLHD - Anadolu was the last foreign design that was imported (for major, strategic platforms). There was no chance of TR demanding UK to supply a new AC, before UK not providing it. In the worst case it was going to be built in a scheme similar to the Anadolu.

Again people rumors about AC but nobody knows or notices that SSB wants to work with a private shipyard and design office with consultancy of Navantia, while MSB (MoD) and Turkish Navy wants to work with TN Design Project Office, gaining with consultancy of British and a selected private shipyard to carry out construction.

We should end this triello between MoD, Minister of Technology and SSB, as soon as possible.

 

[the]

Even though an aircraft carrier would propel Turkey into the top league of naval powers, in reality it seems rather impractical.

Obviously, Turkey is surrounded by 3 seas and given the armament of its neighbours a significant naval force is necessary. But an AC wouldn't provide the same 'multiplier effect' as say 2-3 light carriers which can house TB-3 and Kizilelma. If it were, say Japan, then AC should have higher priority, but in Turkey's case, the Aegean is full of islands and to move back and forth between Med and Black Sea would be a massive logistical hassle. Plus the war in Ukraine has showed us that even even a large and heavily armed ship like Moskva is vulnerable to a couple cruise missiles.

IMO, MilDen, TF-2000 and perhaps another carrier such as Anadolu would be more suitable than allocating substantial resources to build one AC.

 

[Anmdt]

So you are saying that this project is not the priority. If I'm not wrong, this project will continue in the background for many years, right?

To understand how projects start and mature within TN you may see earlier projects.

LHD project took a decade to mature (after it was officially commenced) before the construction have began. The initial stages are handled by Armerkom, TN's decision making comittee, SSB for finances and projecr management etc.

In case of an AC this won't be different. Subsystem R&D projects will commence before than the Platform's concept phase. Before all, TN needs a land based test facility for these aircrafts. Baykar will make one for TB-3 but TN plans to have a comprehensive test facility for different runway configurations, being able to test fixed wing or rotary wing drones.

We can safely add 5 years for initiation construction (if not the steel cutting) after officially hearing about this test facility, and 12 years for AC being fully in the service.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Even though an aircraft carrier would propel Turkey into the top league of naval powers, in reality it seems rather impractical.

Obviously, Turkey is surrounded by 3 seas and given the armament of its neighbours a significant naval force is necessary. But an AC wouldn't provide the same 'multiplier effect' as say 2-3 light carriers which can house TB-3 and Kizilelma. If it were, say Japan, then AC should have higher priority, but in Turkey's case, the Aegean is full of islands and to move back and forth between Med and Black Sea would be a massive logistical hassle. Plus the war in Ukraine has showed us that even even a large and heavily armed ship like Moskva is vulnerable to a couple cruise missiles.

IMO, MilDen, TF-2000 and perhaps another carrier such as Anadolu would be more suitable than allocating substantial resources to build one AC.

Turkey's geographical location is not an obstacle for such projects. In a crisis with the neighbors, there is no need to use the aircraft carrier because the targets are already within the artillery range of Turkey. The aircraft carrier and its fleet are mostly used as quick power transmission elements in distant geographies. In these distant geographies, when there is a crisis in which we need to be involved in our influence area, it will serves a power projection fleet where the combat elements are stationed at safe distances, will take off and perform their missions and return back to the no fly zone where destroyers are stationed. Sometimes even the presence of a carrier fleet can act as a pressure or deterrent factor on hostile elements.

Hitting these platforms is not as easy as it sounds. It wouldn't be the right approach to show the Russian destroyer as an example because I think that there will be serious tech, generation and concept gap between the sensors and the close/short/medium/long range layered point and area defense systems and electronic warfare of the Turkish and Russian ships.