TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Anmdt]

Wow!
So what diesel engine have we chosen for the remainder 7 ships?
Wartsilla?
Is that also going to be a problem for the soon to be produced TF2000 destroyer?

They continued with MAN, strangely Germany still green-lights RENK cross-connect transmission and few other components (or more the fact that MAN being anoter German manufacturer of engines). They simply wanter to cut access of TN into of the latest engine line. MTU still has best power to volume/weight ratio and highest MTBF, but MAN is comparable with the moves they have made in last decade.

At this point i could believe they have some people of specific origin or race in MTU who desperately hates TR.

I know it is not 1-to-1 example but when the embargoes were imminent, both operator and designer could sit down evaluate how to make it through, and plan a roadmap for a local engine.

And yes possibly with TF-2000 they will continue with MAN. It doesn't matter much for TF-2000, the engine room spacious.

 

[Saithan]

They continued with MAN, strangely Germany still green-lights RENK cross-connect transmission and few other components (or more the fact that MAN being anoter German manufacturer of engines). They simply wanter to cut access of TN into of the latest engine line. MTU still has best power to volume/weight ratio and highest MTBF, but MAN is comparable with the moves they have made in last decade.

At this point i could believe they have some people of specific origin or race in MTU who desperately hates TR.

I know it is not 1-to-1 example but when the embargoes were imminent, both operator and designer could sit down evaluate how to make it through, and plan a roadmap for a local engine.

And yes possibly with TF-2000 they will continue with MAN. It doesn't matter much for TF-2000, the engine room spacious.

I would have tasked MIT to investigate MTU and such companies that are involved in critical defense projects. That would be natural risk assessment measures.

Or have a unit that specializes in such an operates independent from counter terrorism

 

[Khagan1923]

About that. Yalçıntaş resigned nearly a year ago in jan 2024. Did they even appoint a new CEO since then? What the hell is happening at BMC?

There were reputable rumours already going around years ago that majority of its engineers were leaving. If I am not mistaken there were also reports that Tosyali was looking to get rid of BMC but I'm just gonna guess they could not find another yandas corporation to take it over. Rumours were also saying Tosyali was pretty much forced to take it over and did not want it from the beginning.

BMC also does not really have any real exports, majority of the exports shown off on social media are gifts of older vehicles in the inventory of the TSK to "friendly" countries and then TSK of course has to order new vehicles to replace the ones the had to give away.

Nothing new about their wheeled 8x8, to the contrary there were reports after once again the deadline for the YNZMA had passed that it was ordered that the trials had to be redone due to one companies vehicles not even passing basic tests, essentially to give said company more time, wonder who that could be, not like two of the three companies entering the tender already have established and proven 8x8 designs which have been exported. And now some more reputable accounts have pretty much been hinting that Pars Alpha will be chosen, but who knows.

Altay has been a total catastrophy since being handed over to BMC.
Leo modernization by BMC pretty much also a catastrophy now they are supposed to be the endstation of assembly, who knows why( ) yet therehas been zero movement for years now.

BMC Engine is a seperate entity, for good reasons.

It was always behind Otokar and FNSS, we unnecessarly lost who knows how much time by trying to appease yandas businessmen for now almost a decade.

Offtopic but remember how our government tried to integrate BMC into the project for the engines for Kaan? And how the partnership with Rolls Royce fell into water because of inclusion of said company in the agreements.

 

[Anmdt]

There were reputable rumours already going around years ago that majority of its engineers were leaving. If I am not mistaken there were also reports that Tosyali was looking to get rid of BMC but I'm just gonna guess they could not find another yandas corporation to take it over. Rumours were also saying Tosyali was pretty much forced to take it over and did not want it from the beginning.

BMC also does not really have any real exports, majority of the exports shown off on social media are gifts of older vehicles in the inventory of the TSK to "friendly" countries and then TSK of course has to order new vehicles to replace the ones the had to gave away.

Nothing new about their wheeled 8x8, to the contrary there were reports after once again the deadline for the YNZMA had passed that it was ordered that the trials had to be redone due to one companies vehicles not even passing basic tests, essentially to give said company more time, wonder who that could be, not like two of the three companies entering the tender already have established and proven 8x8 designs which have been exported. And now some more reputable accounts have pretty much been hinting that Pars Alpha will be chosen, but who knows.

Altay has been a total catastrophy since being handed over to BMC.
Leo modernization by BMC pretty much also a catastrophy now they are supposed to be the endstation of assembly, who knows why( ) yet therehas been zero movement for years now.

BMC Engine is a seperate entity, for good reasons.

It was always behind Otokar and FNSS, we unnecessarly lost who knows how much time by trying to appease yandas businessmen for now almost a decade.

Offtopic but remember how our government tried to integrate BMC into the project for the engines for Kaan? And how the partnership with Rolls Royce fell into water because of inclusion of said company in the agreements.

BMC Motor seems to run better than BMC itself. Honestly i wouldn't be surprised to see if Tosyalı hands over the heavy armored division to FNSS (specifically now it is all owned by Nurol), and continues with light armored (4x4) and motor division.

BMC's entire heavy armored capability relies on the existence of the Tank Palet Factory. They haven't introduced anything new to the establishment, nor upgraded it. Simply free roaming over it and leeching know-how and killing factory traditions.

If TSK comes to a point at relying wholely on private companies for field maintenance and field repairs or inspection of regular maintenance is had to be done by third parties and leading to an inadequeacy it is all because Sancak. He is clearly a traitor and others whom has green lighted / cheered / lobbied his acquisition of Tank Palet.

 

[Sanchez]

Qataris can't be too happy with the current situation either. A new position where tank palet is returned to MoD should be considered where strategically important parts of the company are nationalized. Even their truck and bus division is near death bed.

We are at a situation now where Aselsan is actively upgrading M60T1s and working on Chilean Leopards, but work is near non existent on Leo2 TIYK. Leo2 TIYK is similar in scope to these two programs, but is supposed to be handled by BMC as main contractor.

Meanwhile our tankers still use M48s. It's a situation where noone is happy, not even the pro gov pundits, but there are no solutions being worked on. It's a nightmare.

 

[Khagan1923]

Qataris can't be too happy with the current situation either. A new position where tank palet is returned to MoD should be considered where strategically important parts of the company are nationalized. Even their truck and bus division is near death bed.

We are at a situation now where Aselsan is actively upgrading M60T1s and working on Chilean Leopards, but work is near non existent on Leo2 TIYK. Leo2 TIYK is similar in scope to these two programs, but is supposed to be handled by BMC as main contractor.

Meanwhile our tankers still use M48s. It's a situation where noone is happy, not even the pro gov pundits, but there are no solutions being worked on. It's a nightmare.

Who knows what promises they made to the qataris and especially higher ups inside the akp. Qatari ministers talking about ordering 100 Altays before there even is a serial production line in 2018. I would love to have a recording of all the behind closed doors meetings Sancak had with ministers.

BMC is pretty much a rugpull. Sancak filled his pockets with qatari and government money and then made off after even the most hardcore delusional people inside the government were slowly realizing that nothing was actually happening inside BMC. And no one can touch him because he will make the government look like the corrupt incompetent apparatus is presently is.

I mentioned this once, Qatar has a stake in the company why is BMC not their main supplier of armored vehicles? Should they not be interest in the Altug project?!

Where is their SUV/Truck they showed off years ago?

Congrats they redesigned Amazon and Vuran, Kirpi 2 happened thanks to major input by the TSK. Altay was done 90% by Otokar before it was taken away from them. Firtina is a Army project and now suddenly they act as if they designed, developed and produced it as their own baby.

Their trucks are way behind of some other Turkish companies that have entered the scene the last few years. Bus division is pretty much dead as you said, the competition blows them out of the water.

The same Otokar akp aligned trolls were labeling traitors is selling its vehicles like butter left and right, the same for FNSS.

 

[TheInsider]

Israel is behind the German embargoes. Israel tried everything to stop the U-214TN project. We need a marine diesel engine roadmap as soon as possible. Turkiye produces a lot of civilian and military ships of various sizes. Marine gas turbine can be derived from the engine of Kaan in the future.