America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

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America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

Peter Hartcher

February 22, 2022 — 5.00am

The US President, Joe Biden, has made it clear. If Russia launches a new military attack on Ukraine, America will not defend it.

Why not? Why will the US not defend a newish democracy of some 40 million people on the edge of Europe against an aggressive dictator and traditional US rival?

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There’s the obvious political reason. America is war-weary. After two decades of wasting blood and treasure on a faked war against Iraq and a failed war in Afghanistan, Americans are disillusioned and exhausted.

Fifty-five per cent of Americans oppose the idea of sending US troops to stop Russia, according to a YouGov poll last week. Only 13 per cent of Americans agree that it’d be a good idea.

But there’s a bigger, harder reason of national strategy. Even if war against Russia were wildly popular, grand strategy would stay a president’s hand.

For all Russia’s power, it’s a sideshow. “We need to husband our resources for the primary fight,” says the lead author of the US National Defence Strategy of 2018, Elbridge Colby.

“At this point, we really can’t afford” war against Russia, Colby tells me. “It would be like, for example, obsessing over the Boer War when World War I is looming.”

The primary fight? Only one country has the potential to dominate the US, says Colby, and it’s not Russia. Only one country is amassing the power to be able to coerce the US economically, in turn positioning itself to be able to undermine its freedom and prosperity, he says:

“The only plausible way that could happen is China and Asia. Asia is about half of global GDP, in fact, probably more than that pretty soon, and China is by far the most powerful other state in the international system. So, by deduction, our most important interest is denying China hegemony over Asia,” says Colby, author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defence in an Age of Great Power Conflict, published last year.

China’s treatment of Australia today illuminates Beijing’s plans for other countries including the US, says Colby: “Australia is the perfect example of what the future could hold. I use Australia as an example all the time. They’re demanding you change your free speech law, your internal political system, and that’s the future if we let it happen.

“But Australia has America as a backstop. But if we let China get to the point where China can subordinate America then we and those who are allied with us are finished – we have no America.”
But Colby wrote the 2018 National Defence Strategy as a Pentagon official in the Trump administration. How does the Biden administration see it?

One clue. Joe Biden says that America is “competing with China to win the 21st century”.

Another clue. While US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was engaged in intensive negotiations to avert war in Ukraine, he made the long flight to Melbourne two weeks ago for the meeting of foreign ministers of the four Indo-Pacific Quad nations – Australia, India, Japan and the US.

His visit to Australia in the midst of the Ukraine crisis “only reinforces the point that, for us, as a Pacific nation ourselves, we see the future, we see it here, and you have got to keep focus on the core thing even as you deal with the challenge of the moment,” Blinken told me. So, for Blinken, Russia is the moment. China is the future.

A third clue. The Biden administration’s interim national security strategic guidance says that China “is the only competitor potentially capable of combining its economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to mount a sustained challenge to a stable and open international system”.

OK, so China is uniquely dangerous to the US, the Trump and Biden people agree. But isn’t Russia a scary big power? China might be the long-term danger, but isn’t Russia the immediate threat?

Russia’s economy is ranked number 11 by GDP at about $US1.65 trillion, using market prices. This is smaller than South Korea’s or Canada’s and only a smidgin bigger than Australia’s $US1.61 trillion. China’s, on the other hand, is three-quarters the size of America’s and 10 times the size of Russia’s. Moscow has a formidable nuclear and conventional military, but it’s ageing and cannot keep up with the cutting-edge powers of the US and China.

Colby says that China, once again, is unique, “the largest economy to emerge in the international system since the US itself. There’s an implicit tendency to dismiss China, to say that it’s not as real as the numbers suggest. But if China gets to the same per capita income level of Japan, they will be something like three times the size of our economy. And many Chinese are well below middle-income level at the moment, so they have plenty of catch-up growth opportunity.”

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America is preoccupied by Xi Jinping’s China, not Putin’s Russia.

As for the short-term threat versus the long-term: “People say, China is a long-term problem,” Colby says. “My response is: It’s a long-term problem like acute heart disease. Sure, it’s long-term and you need to change what you eat and your workout regimen but, if you don’t address the blockage now, you’ll still get killed before you’re able to worry about the long term.”
By comparison, Russia is but “a pale shadow of China, given the size of their economy”.

But doesn’t the US have the capacity to deal with both Russia and China? The days of overweening American power are gone. The main China adviser to the Biden White House, the National Security Council’s Rush Doshi, wrote this before he was called to government service: “Sheer size suggests it is likely that Beijing – unlike the Soviets – could eventually generate and spend more [his emphasis] resources on competition than the US.”

In his 2021 book The Long Game: China’s Grand Strategy to Displace American Order, Doshi made clear that the US is now on the defensive: “The US cannot compete with China symmetrically – that is, dollar-for-dollar, ship-for-ship, or loan-for-loan – in part because of China’s sheer relative size.”

In other words, America won’t defend Ukraine because it’s seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself.

 

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Ukraine has dirt on Joe biden and his family thats why the Usa is holding back.
 

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Hahaha. So China that is afraid for the ROC and Tibet is a danger for the US militairy industrial complex?

China has a lot of work in their own region with rivals like Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and the ROC.

Chinese drones were falling from the skies like flies in Libya and Chinese tanks are made of C-quality cheap steel. Not to mention Chinese fighterjets and rocket systems, who buys them and who tested them?

China has only money and vast manpower, but no qualititive state-of-the-art weaponry.

Nazi Germany in 1940 was stronger than China in 2022 with hightech state-of-the-art weaponry, the best of the best battletanks and fighterjets, the most sophisticated scientists and R&D of that era, a very, very good and disciplined Wehrmacht and a far better SS and millions of troops, reservists, volunteers from neighbouring countries.

But in the end the US carpetbombed the hell out of them. And now the US has the biggest stockpiles of bombs and planes in the world.
 

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Hahaha. So China that is afraid for the ROC and Tibet is a danger for the US militairy industrial complex?

China has a lot of work in their own region with rivals like Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and the ROC.

Chinese drones were falling from the skies like flies in Libya and Chinese tanks are made of C-quality cheap steel. Not to mention Chinese fighterjets and rocket systems, who buys them and who tested them?

China has only money and vast manpower, but no qualititive state-of-the-art weaponry.

Nazi Germany in 1940 was stronger than China in 2022 with hightech state-of-the-art weaponry, the best of the best battletanks and fighterjets, the most sophisticated scientists and R&D of that era, a very, very good and disciplined Wehrmacht and a far better SS and millions of troops, reservists, volunteers from neighbouring countries.

But in the end the US carpetbombed the hell out of them. And now the US has the biggest stockpiles of bombs and planes in the world.
LOl, US was the world biggest trader, manufacturing and industrial power for almost a century, before ww2 it was already was, untill being overtaken by China a decade ago. Germany and Japan had never reached this level, actually China's GDP now is bigger than EU 27 countries combined.
Your cheerleading for US is pointless, we can just wait and see to find out what US would do about it, in one week it'll be very clear to you and me.


Why Vladimir Putin is so confident in his Ukraine strategy – he has a trump card in China

 
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How is NATO collapsing ? LMAO

in 10 years Russian economy will be in the sewers, while NATO be bulked up. Even with today standards NATO outstrip Russia when it comes to sheer military numbers.

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How is NATO collapsing ? LMAO

in 10 years Russian economy will be in the sewers, while NATO be bulked up. Even with today standards NATO outstrip Russia when it comes to sheer military numbers.

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It looks good on paper, but we'll see what Nato will do about Russia's invasion. if nothing is done, the credibility of Nato is the first domino card to collapse.
 

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Then they can shut up , making noises get them nothing.
Not really, while they're not going to defend Ukraine by means of troops, they could use this situation to undermine and weaken Russia.

Those Javelins and NLAW they supply will blow a considerable amount of Russian tanks no problem, Syria used to have the 5th or 6th largest tank fleet in the world before US supplied TOW ATGM to the Syrian rebels and now its all but gone.

All the while, NATO will be strengthened. We could see Germany, France, Poland as well as the Baltics prepping up their military significantly and turn the balance of power even more than what already exist.

This meant that the US could now focus all its power facing China in Asia without having to carry the brunt of European defense like they used to
 

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Not really, while they're not going to defend Ukraine by means of troops, they could use this situation to undermine and weaken Russia.
We'll see who will be weakened, US and Eu are not in a advantage position now, both have too much domestic troubles, we'll see how it pans out.
 

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We'll see who will be weakened, US and Eu are not in a advantage position now, both have too much domestic troubles, we'll see how it pans out.
and you think China and Russia don't ?? LMAO

Unlike democracies, authoritarian countries excels at is hiding domestic problems. Hence we saw the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the Soviet union. Nobody thought it could happen until it HAPPENS.
 

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and you think China and Russia don't ?? LMAO

Unlike democracies, authoritarian countries excels at is hiding domestic problems. Hence we saw the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the Soviet union. Nobody thought it could happen until it HAPPENS.
China doesn't have a stake in their brawl, but when they desperately go for each other's throats, it will only benefit China, I hate to admit this, but it's true. they should grow a brain.
 

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@beijingwalker is right, nothing will happen and russia will gradually annex the countries it wishes to annex.
How is NATO collapsing ? LMAO

in 10 years Russian economy will be in the sewers, while NATO be bulked up. Even with today standards NATO outstrip Russia when it comes to sheer military numbers.

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NATO will not exist in 10 years much to the consequence for those who rely on it.
 

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China doesn't have a stake in their brawl, but when they desperately go for each other's throats, it will only benefit China, I hate to admit this, but it's true. they should grow a brain.
and it will not benefit the US ?

if this war happens, Russia will have whatever leverage it has left with the west destroyed. Its military will suffer heavy losses, all the while it has to allocate significant amount of their limited resource to try pacify Ukraine. all happening without costing any single US or NATO soldier killed or wounded. in 10 years or so its economy will be in the sewers and increasingly dependent on China.

European NATO would significantly enhance its military. Even before todays Russia-Ukraine crisis Europe had been waking up to the threat.


The US today amounts to around 40% of NATO power, any renewed invasion of Ukraine will mean an ever larger expansion of the European NATO. That means the US could care less about the defense of Europe and pull every resources it has confronting China in the Indo-Pacific where countries like Japan, Australia, Taiwan, India, Indonesia, Malaysia are already openly and secretly aligning itself with the US.
 

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China is a capatalist country, they are happy with the situation. For now they have nothing to fear for ther islands. Russia will sell ther gas for cheaper price.
 

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and it will not benefit the US ?

if this war happens, Russia will have whatever leverage it has left with the west destroyed. Its military will suffer heavy losses, all the while it has to allocate significant amount of their limited resource to try pacify Ukraine. all happening without costing any single US or NATO soldier killed or wounded. in 10 years or so its economy will be in the sewers and increasingly dependent on China.

European NATO would significantly enhance its military. Even before todays Russia-Ukraine crisis Europe had been waking up to the threat.


The US today amounts to around 40% of NATO power, any renewed invasion of Ukraine will mean an ever larger expansion of the European NATO. That means the US could care less about the defense of Europe and pull every resources it has confronting China in the Indo-Pacific where countries like Japan, Australia, Taiwan, India, Indonesia, Malaysia are already openly and secretly aligning itself with the US.
US won't dare to be militarily involved, this is crystal clear. You can't see it?
US won't fight a war that it can't win, and now it dosen't have the money and resources either. the country now is an chaos.
 

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China is a capatalist country, they are happy with the situation. For now they have nothing to fear for ther islands. Russia will sell ther gas for cheaper price.
Last year China sold them billions of dollars worth of PPEs, this year we can sell them tons of body bags, hopefully they won't be that stupid.
 

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