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ABD’li şirketten FIRTINA Obüsü Şanzımanı için milyonlarca dolarlık sözleşme | SavunmaSanayiST

T-155 FIRTINA Obüsü'nde kullanılan Allison X1100-5A4 şanzıman için ABD'li Allison Transmission şirketi milyonlarca dolarlık sözleşme imzaladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Turkey has signed a contract with US firm Allison for millions of dollars, covering the transmission of Firtina-2 howitzers.
In addition to the 10 transmissions received last year, there will be a further 32 transmissions to be delivered in 2025. Allison expects a yearly income over 100 million dollars.
There is no new news about the engine though. Presumably Utku will be the engine of choice. But until it is ready the engine from RENK America factory will be powering the howitzers as per the news below.

There will be 140 to 160 Firtina-2 howitzers built altogether under this contract.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1731039464762327272

T-155 FIRTINA / FIRTINA-II 155mm Self Propelled Howitzers (SPH)

www.globalsecurity.org

Sorry to ask but didnt MKE already made an electric version of the Firtina?
Why would they chose the more expensive route when they can just opt for the domestic solution!

 

[Merzifonlu]

Sorry to ask but didnt MKE already made an electric version of the Firtina?
Why would they chose the more expensive route when they can just opt for the domestic solution!

Because E-Fırtına is NOT solution yet. It's a experimental vehicle/weapon.

 

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There is however a disturbing information hidden between the lines here.

It is stated that Allison will make 100 millions dollars a year out of this transmission deal. 32 transmissions per year puts the price over 3 million dollars a piece.

That is an outrageous price for a transmission. Allison has won the US Abrams transmission contracts in 2024 for 83 million and for 2025 recently for 80.6 million dollars. We know that currently US Abrams factory’s maximum output is around 135 units a year, or 12 per month at best. That puts a more powerful transmission at around 0.6 million a piece.
That 100 million dollars price must be for the complete project of 140 Firtina’s.

https://ir.allisontransmission.com/news-releases/news-release-details/allison-transmission-secures-806-million-contract-abrams-tank

U.S. Made 75 M1 Abrams Per Month in the 1980s, Now 12 is the Limit | Defense Express

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That is truly an outrageous price if that's all they are delivering.


How many Firtinas have we produced so far, any updated numbers?

 

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Sorry to ask but didnt MKE already made an electric version of the Firtina?
Why would they chose the more expensive route when they can just opt for the domestic solution!

Because E-Fırtına is NOT solution yet. It's a experimental vehicle/weapon.

E-Fırtına is under development for a few years now. savunmasanayist.com made news about it on 2021. This shows us either the project started on 2021 or even before. Final design (there may have been little changes on it) shaped before 2024. I'm sure of this because I, myself listened to it's presentation from a MKE engineer. I emphasized this because I couldn't find any news between 2021 and 2024.

Back to the topic: A design which will not be in the front line of wars directly and also based on a ready design, Fırtına-I/II, and is under development for at least 4 years now; can be ready for production in the next 2 years if it is not now. Fırtına-II deliveries will last more than 1 year from now. I think MKE will be ready to produce Gürhan (E-Fırtına) as TAF's next batch howitzer purchase.

 

[Ryder]

Sorry to ask but didnt MKE already made an electric version of the Firtina?
Why would they chose the more expensive route when they can just opt for the domestic solution!

Electric propulsion still has a long way to go.

Even car manufacturers are now rolling back going full electric.

Fully Electric is not the solution.

 

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Electric propulsion still has a long way to go.

Even car manufacturers are now rolling back going full electric.

Fully Electric is not the solution.

E-Fırtına is not full-electric. It's hybrid.

Electric with a diesel generator to be exact.

Edit: Diesel powered electric propulsions are the technology of almost a century. If I don't recall wrong, Maus had such a propulsion design. It was an over-complex engineering for 1940's and it was a moving trouble. However, 80 years passed since then.