Live Conflict Azerbaijan and Armenia clash over Nagorno-Karabakh region Updates & Discussion

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NATO (USA) would love to see AZ in NATO.
I thought so too until recently, but now with turkey being the black sheep of nato they would rather not let anyone in who would stand by turkey with its decisions.
 

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Look up French Armenian Legion in the Turkish independance war.

They also fought in ww1 against Ottoman troops.

Not the first time the French using Armenians as proxies.

You know what we can go further when the Crusaders invaded the Middle East and the Armenians were the first ones to support them. Crusaders all came from different ethnicities from Europe but most were French hence why they were called Franks.
 

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1 armenian KIA and 2 WIA on the conditional border due to Azerbaijani retaliation after AZ positions came under fire earlier today
 

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Armenians are not white the reason why Europeans are vouching for them because they are Christian.

Armenians a lot of them have white, olive and brown features they a lot of them could also qualify as Middle Eastern. Not to mention how they were ruled by the Persians for centuries.

Armenians are white, just like Persians, Turks and Middle Eastern Arabs are also white. I don’t know where are you getting this idea that they are not white? What’s next? Caucasians will not be considered white as well?

If you have people from Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Azerbaijan or Armenia move to Italy, Greece or Spain, you won’t tell the difference between them and the locals. That’s because all of them ar white.
 

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Armenians are white, just like Persians, Turks and Middle Eastern Arabs are also white. I don’t know where are you getting this idea that they are not white?

That my friend, is pseudo science.

If you have people from Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Azerbaijan or Armenia
move to Italy, Greece or Spain, you won’t tell the difference between them and the locals. That’s because all of them ar white.

Just because somebody cannot tell the difference, doesn’t mean others can’t. I can definitely tell a difference between Spanish and an Arab from Syria 8 out 10 times. (There are some Syrian that looks like Europeans. But they are very few in numbers)
 

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Armenians are white, just like Persians, Turks and Middle Eastern Arabs are also white. I don’t know where are you getting this idea that they are not white? What’s next? Caucasians will not be considered white as well?

If you have people from Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Azerbaijan or Armenia move to Italy, Greece or Spain, you won’t tell the difference between them and the locals. That’s because all of them ar white.
White is not a fixed definition.The definition changing day by day.Especially in English speaking world.(even difference between UK and US )Sometimes Indians also White,sometimes not.

In Modern practice,It also up to the physical appearance.Some Blonde Turks like Atatürk or İpek Filiz Yazıcı can easily though as White in daily life but some Turks look like Ömer Toprak maybe saw as Middle-easter.
 

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This who is white debate is pointless. When one says white it generally means european/western. We Turks are not western and only peripherally European. (edit: by not western I mean every major western society refuses our 'westernness' no matter how hard we try and that's what matters)

A more interesting debate would be what did Erdo mean by Zangezur corridor might go through Iran? I can't wrap my head around it.
 

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Yes,A Turkish people maybe a white people in life(for example the grand grand father of Boris Johnson) ,but Turkish country is never a white country in international relationship.
for me its an insult to call me white.. even africans acnowledged me as a non white person.. I am internationally accepted as non white :D
 

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Armenians are white, just like Persians, Turks and Middle Eastern Arabs are also white. I don’t know where are you getting this idea that they are not white? What’s next? Caucasians will not be considered white as well?

If you have people from Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Azerbaijan or Armenia move to Italy, Greece or Spain, you won’t tell the difference between them and the locals. That’s because all of them ar white.

White as a definition constantly changes.

If we include the Turkic peoples from Poland to Siberia. All of them will have different appearances due to the environments and mixing with the local people that they lived.

Turks are not white neither are they Fully Asian. I seen lots of Arabs who had white skin or even olive skin so not all of them are brown. Same story with Armenians. Armenians and their Christianity is more closer to Middle Eastern Christianity rather than the European ones like Catholics, Protestant amd Orthodox.

If the Armenians were Muslim I wont be seeing Europeans or Westerners in general vouching for them.

Thats racial science is all pseudo bullcrap of the 1800s and the 1900s.

Lots of Turks who look middle eastern thats nothing wrong with that. My dad is even mistaken for an Arab or even a Mexican at times. This is normal. Thats why you cant put Turkish people in one racial category from region to region you will get different appearances. You will also have lots carrying Central or Far Eastern appearances.

Azerbaijanis themselves are a mix of Turkic, Caucasian and Iranic peoples.

We are going off topic but the Armenians have this much support due to their religion this cant be denied. Oessetians are Christian mostly I dont see Europeans constantly vouching for them.
 

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Basically European support every group against Russian empire and Turkish .
Has been doing it for a few centuries now so I'm surprised that people think we are allies. We are nato members for one thing and one thing only, keep us against Russia since they happened to be stronger than us at this point in time. This also suits us since Russians are not allies either, never has been or never will be.
 

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In Modern practice,It also up to the physical appearance.Some Blonde Turks like Atatürk or İpek Filiz Yazıcı can easily though as White in daily life but some Turks look like Ömer Toprak maybe saw as Middle-easter.

Ömer Toprak looks white to me. As I said, most Middle-Easterners are white.

There is this nonsense idea that whites are only Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxons, Slavic and Germanic people, which is absurd. Latin Europeans are also white, and they look very much like turks, lighter skinned arabs, persians, etc.

Being white doesn’t mean being blonde. Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, Romanians, Albanians, Greeks are all white, and they are not blonde.

This who is white debate is pointless. When one says white it generally means european/western. We Turks are not western and only peripherally European. (edit: by not western I mean every major western society refuses our 'westernness' no matter how hard we try and that's what matters)

White does not mean European, and European does not mean Western.

There are white people in Australia, and they are neither European nor Western.

Is Eastern Europe “Western”?

Are Argentina and Uruguay “Western”? They are surely white and not European.

Being white doesn’t mean having a specific culture. It’s about the skin tone and facial appearance.

Turks are not white neither are they Fully Asian. I seen lots of Arabs who had white skin or even olive skin so not all of them are brown. Same story with Armenians. Armenians and their Christianity is more closer to Middle Eastern Christianity rather than the European ones like Catholics, Protestant amd Orthodox.

A lot of turks, arabs and persians are white. Not all of them, but many of them. When it comes to arabs, those in Northern Africa are more brownish, while those from the Middle East are mostly white. You can’t say arabs from Mauritania or Sudan look like arabs from Syria or Lebanon.

Lots of Turks who look middle eastern thats nothing wrong with that. My dad is even mistaken for an Arab or even a Mexican at times. This is normal. Thats why you cant put Turkish people in one racial category from region to region you will get different appearances. You will also have lots carrying Central or Far Eastern appearances.

Considering Turkey’s geographical position, it is natural to have people of diverse origins. But if you take the Marmara region for example, the people look just like in any other Southern European country.

Azerbaijanis themselves are a mix of Turkic, Caucasian and Iranic peoples.

Yes, and they are mostly white.

We are going off topic but the Armenians have this much support due to their religion this cant be denied. Oessetians are Christian mostly I dont see Europeans constantly vouching for them.

Armenians have a powerful lobby in the US and France. They have a strong diaspora in Europe, and this is why they have support.
 

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Has been doing it for a few centuries now so I'm surprised that people think we are allies. We are nato members for one thing and one thing only, keep us against Russia since they happened to be stronger than us at this point in time. This also suits us since Russians are not allies either, never has been or never will be.
Yes, in 17th-18th century they allied with Russia against the Ottomans. In 19th century and 20th century they almost allied with us against Russia/Soviet Union.

But now, since the gap of power between Russia and Turkiye is far smaller than before, they are once again, against both Russia and Turkiye.
 
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Even in our life time we have watched the westerners/europeans ally with Russia against us. We saw this in Syria, we seen it in Libya. We also saw it in Azerbaijan where both Russia and the West were on Armenia's side.

When the Turks downed a Russian jet most of Europe sided with Russia against us. Almost instantly Russia and Putin became innocent victims. Only some eastern european nations were happy that someone stood up to them. Poland, Ukraine, etc. In fact these european nations who buy our weapons are indirectly telling us they don't see us as an enemy/rival.

When the Russians with their shia proxies were about to storm idlib leading to another 4 million refugees fleeing into Turkiye, the Europeans/EU threatened us not to do anything or else.

There is a clear hierarchy in the west that sees the anglo-american establishment as supreme. Below her are nations like Germany and to a lessor extent France, below that are countries like Italy and Spain. Then the eastern europeans and balkans are below them. The Russians wanted to challenge the anglo american position and hence are in conflict. But when an outsider a non-white, non European nation like Turkiye enters the game they are united against her.

This basically is not really any different then when the nordic-germanic aristocracy ruled the whole of europe. They will fight and kill each other, but when the Turk enters the game they collectively came together to oppose the outsider that threatened their entire structure.

Now the difference today is we are meant to be allies, we are meant to be friends, we are not at war, yet everything outside of directly attacking us, is as if they see us as the enemy.
 

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