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Another conditional border violation today by Armenia.


In the meantime, the Defence Minister of Azerbaijan held an emergency meeting and the army was placed on high alert.

There are talks about possible Iranian deployment in Zengezur in the coming period. The situation is moving towards war again and I fear this time other countries will get involved as well.
 

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I was just thinking as I read through the thread. That if Armenia turned into a federal state of sorts and designated Zengesur area/province as a state it could be turned into something like Lichenstein and declare itself neutral.
 

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There are talks about possible Iranian deployment in Zengezur in the coming period. The situation is moving towards war again and I fear this time other countries will get involved as well.

It is a tricky game of chess.
Armenia is hesitant to allow more Iranian influence as they seek to join the western block. However, the western block cannot and will not dedicate the required resources to protect them. If Armenia allows Iranian bases it will be the end of their aspirations for becoming western. They'll be black listed and sanctioned.
 

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It is a tricky game of chess.
Armenia is hesitant to allow more Iranian influence as they seek to join the western block. However, the western block cannot and will not dedicate the required resources to protect them. If Armenia allows Iranian bases it will be the end of their aspirations for becoming western. They'll be black listed and sanctioned.
They are pushing all the buttons except the right ones. The future of Armenia as a sovereign country is tied to Turkiye and Azerbaijan. There is no place for pride and hate here. We are talking about the survival of a country and a nation. No one is interested in their land. The only thing we are interested in is stability and prosperity which will pave the way for a better future of the whole region. They either take the peaceful hand that reaches them or they will be buried in the pages of history by their so called allies. The clock is ticking...
 

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It is a tricky game of chess.
Armenia is hesitant to allow more Iranian influence as they seek to join the western block. However, the western block cannot and will not dedicate the required resources to protect them. If Armenia allows Iranian bases it will be the end of their aspirations for becoming western. They'll be black listed and sanctioned.
Do you really think so?
Iranians were gifted Iraq and Syria etc . Also in Syria and Libya, all of them are happy to co operate with Russia and Iran , when it is against Turkey.
Why wouldn't they co operate now? To stop Turkic Union it us really logical for them to co operate.
Turkey should invest as much as possible in Taliban and Belouchi insurgents. That's the primary thing .
Edit , whatever happens to Ukraine, those opportunities must be developed to hurt Iran , I am sure that the Ukrainians are more than happy to to put one over Mullahstan.
 

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Do you really think so?
Iranians were gifted Iraq and Syria etc . Also in Syria and Libya, all of them are happy to co operate with Russia and Iran , when it is against Turkey.
Why wouldn't they co operate now? To stop Turkic Union it us really logical for them to co operate.
Turkey should invest as much as possible in Taliban and Belouchi insurgents. That's the primary thing .
Edit , whatever happens to Ukraine, those opportunities must be developed to hurt Iran , I am sure that the Ukrainians are more than happy to to put one over Mullahstan.
It is known that the situation will trigger regional developments. That's why countries far away like India and Pakistan are getting involved. While India is providing military assistance in terms of equipment supplies, due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag. The developments in Karabag and Armenia will have a strategic impact on the whole region.
 

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due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag.

Wow, hang on a sec, it that for real?
 

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It is known that the situation will trigger regional developments. That's why countries far away like India and Pakistan are getting involved. While India is providing military assistance in terms of equipment supplies, due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag. The developments in Karabag and Armenia will have a strategic impact on the whole region.
For those who do not understand the importance of our Pakistani brothers and sisters ❗️
 

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It is known that the situation will trigger regional developments. That's why countries far away like India and Pakistan are getting involved. While India is providing military assistance in terms of equipment supplies, due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag. The developments in Karabag and Armenia will have a strategic impact on the whole region.

stop spreading fake Armenian propaganda of Turkish special forces and Pakistani special forces participating in the war, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest this, its just Armenian coping propaganda because they can't handle the truth of losing to Azerbaijani special forces, and make up these stories
 

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stop spreading fake Armenian propaganda of Turkish special forces and Pakistani special forces participating in the war, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest this, its just Armenian coping propaganda because they can't handle the truth of losing to Azerbaijani special forces, and make up these stories
Spreading propaganda? Why would I do that?

Instead of falsely acusing me of spreading propaganda you should thank God, Azerbaijan has friends like this because in our times most of the alliances are only on paper.

This came from the mouth of XTQ Gazi in his uniform on live TV program. Other people participating in the program showed signs for him to stop talk and he got it, but it was already too late. The footage was circulating in Turkish and Azerbaijani military pages for some time, but I can't find it anymore.

Not only them, but others were also present in Karabag at that time. All of Azerbaijan's true allies mobilized and participated in one way or another.

Some involved parts of their military forces and other showed diplomatic support to the rights of Azerbaijan to liberate its occupied territory.

What happened in Karabag is the first step towards something bigger concerning not only Turkiye and Azerbaijan, but all of the Turkic world including TRNC, ally countries like Pakistan and beyond.

Hopefully if we continue our works and go trough the challenges together like we did before, we will put an end to an everlasting shedding of blood in our backyards due to the non-stopping West-East Armageddon race and ensure that we have a peace and stability in our region. As Hulusi Akar said "the jinn is out of the bottle" and there is no going back.

There is nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to be kept in secret. We showed the world what is the definition of brotherly love in international relations and what unity, determination and deterrence can succeed. After 30 years we confirmed once again that Karabag is Azerbaijan and I hope in 30 years from now we will be talking about even bigger achievements, our soldiers marching shoulder to shoulder in many more Victory parades to come.

The ones that must be ashamed are the oppressors, the ones that come in our backyards from near and from far in order to plant the seeds of treachery, violence and corruption, turning us one against the other, making us serve their malign agenda on our expense and the price that we paid and continue to pay is measured in blood, tears, poverty and destruction. Inshallah we will confront them wherever its needed and will put an end to their scenarios.
 

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due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag
Interesting to know that pakistanis have special forces to spare when their FC units are being hammered and taking casualties on a frequent basis by TTP and other Baloch, Afghan, Iranian based groups on their western front
 
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A Russian ally's purchase of French and Indian weapons is another sign Moscow is losing influence in its neighborhood​


In recent weeks, Armenia has ordered air-defense systems and radars from France and was reported to have ordered anti-drone systems from India.

Those orders come amid heightened tensions with neighboring Azerbaijan, with which Armenia has fought several conflicts, including a short clash in September that ended with Azerbaijan conquering the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, causing its 120,000 ethnic-Armenian residents to flee.

The acquisitions are notable not only for their timing but also because they show Armenia is taking tangible steps to lessen its dependency on military hardware from Russia, a longtime ally that has offered Yerevan little support against mounting pressure from Azerbaijan.

Armenia's six-week war with Azerbaijan in 2020 captured worldwide attention for Azerbaijan's use of aerial drones. At a press conference to announce the sale in October, France's defense minister said air defenses were "absolutely key" and that Paris was aiding Yerevan with sales of three Thales GM 200 radars and an agreement on the future delivery of short-range Mistral air-defense missiles.

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An Azerbaijani image of Azerbaijan's forces destroying an Armenian antiaircraft system in Nagorno-Karabakh in September 2020. Azerbaijan Defense Ministry via AP
"Armenia's choice to order air-defense systems from France is a significant one," James Rogers, an expert on drones and precision warfare, told Business Insider. "Not only does it highlight to Russia that Armenia has options when it comes to defense cooperation, but it marks a major leap forward in Armenia's attempts to modernize its military."
Reports in early November indicated Yerevan was also buying more weaponry from India, including Zen anti-drone systems, which are designed to detect and bring down enemy drones. Armenia previously bought four Indian-made Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers in 2022, the first foreign order of that system.

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Nicholas Heras, the senior director of strategy and innovation at the New Lines Institute, told Business Insider that Armenia was advancing its foreign and national security policies on two tracks.

"One track is to build defense alliances with more powerful outside actors in Eurasia, and the second track is to improve the Armenian military's ability to defend against Azeri airpower in tactical engagements," Heras said. "India, in particular, is a prized defense partner with Armenia because India has a large defense industry that can also arm and improve Russian weapons platforms which Armenia deploys."

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Weapons captured from Armenian forces in the Karabakh War on display at a park in Baku, Azerbaijan, in September. Ozkan Bilgin/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Armenia's military arsenal has long been predominantly Russian, but Yerevan has attempted to change that as its relations with Moscow have soured, especially after its devastating defeat in the 2020 war, during which Azerbaijan used Israeli- and Turkish-made weapons.

Russia has failed to aid Armenia despite Yereven's membership in the Moscow-led Collective Security Treaty Organization. In addition to being tied down by the war in Ukraine, Russia is most likely irked by Armenia moving closer to Washington and the West under Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who has long questioned the value of CSTO membership.
"Armenia's partnership with Russia is at a low ebb, and Pashinyan is pushing forward, slowly but surely, to bring Armenia closer to NATO, including the prospect of normalizing Armenia's relations with Turkey," Heras said.
Heras added that over the past two years, the US had been sending "a strong signal" that it "would like to test out the prospect for a more strategic US-Armenian security relationship."

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US and Armenian soldiers during Eagle Partner at a training area in Armenia in September. US Army/Spc. Andrew Mendoza
Washington and Yerevan seemed to demonstrate mutual interest in closer defense relations in September when Armenia hosted a bilateral exercise focused on training for peacekeeping operations.

Eighty-five US troops trained alongside 175 Armenia personnel during the drill, which was "a testament to our longstanding partnership with Armenia and builds upon decades of successful peacekeeping and security cooperation," the US Embassy in Armenia said in a statement.

Russia, predictably, opposed the exercise, and Yerevan has kept its distance since then. Pashinyan skipped the organization's summit in mid-November, a move Russia accused the West of orchestrating.
Armenia under Pashinyan has tried to move away from Russia "by building a web of strategic partnerships," Heras said. "Fundamentally, Pashinyan does not want to depend on Russia to ensure Armenia's territorial integrity and security, and his effort to build the relationship with the United States works toward this goal."
Acquiring weaponry from other countries serves a similar purpose, but Armenia's recent purchases also reflect the sensitivity of its international position.

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A refugee from Nagorno-Karabakh in Goris, Armenia, in September. ANTHONY PIZZOFERRATO/Middle East Images /AFP via Getty Images

The Mistral missile has a relatively short range of 4 miles, suggesting the sale is meant to bolster Armenia's arsenal but was made with potential political backlash in mind. Turkey has criticized French arms sales to Yerevan. (Azerbaijan has also criticized the recent French and Indian arms sales to Armenia.)
Rogers said that "range is important in war" and that it enabled strikes on a wider set of targets. "In order not to destabilize the region or risk an outbreak of hostilities, therefore, Armenia and France have agreed to these short-range yet effective air-defense systems."

Heras said that the main quandary facing Armenian foreign policy was it could not afford to sever ties with Russia despite recent tensions, but it also could not trust Russia to intervene on its side if there's another war with Azerbaijan. The need to strike a balance between Russia and new partners while bolstering its small military with limited resources complicates Armenia's task.

"Armenia needs to purchase weapons that improve its ability to pursue a 'porcupine strategy,'" making itself a more threatening target for Azerbaijan if the two countries go to war again, Heras said.
Buying French and Indian short-range air-defense weapons that could be used by small infantry units is "a potentially cost-effective way to impose higher costs on Azerbaijan's drone airpower," Heras added.

https://www.businessinsider.com/arm...eapons-drifting-away-from-ally-russia-2023-12
 

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It is known that the situation will trigger regional developments. That's why countries far away like India and Pakistan are getting involved. While India is providing military assistance in terms of equipment supplies, due to an OPSEC breach from within XTQ (Azerbaijani Special Forces) it is no more a secret that Pakistani Special Forces participated directly in the operations in Karabag. The developments in Karabag and Armenia will have a strategic impact on the whole region.

Could be SSG.

I wont be surprised if Turkish and Pakistani special forces worked as advisors.

We still dont even know the operations Turkish special forces do. Its really tight lipped.
 

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Spreading propaganda? Why would I do that?

Instead of falsely acusing me of spreading propaganda you should thank God, Azerbaijan has friends like this because in our times most of the alliances are only on paper.

This came from the mouth of XTQ Gazi in his uniform on live TV program. Other people participating in the program showed signs for him to stop talk and he got it, but it was already too late. The footage was circulating in Turkish and Azerbaijani military pages for some time, but I can't find it anymore.

Not only them, but others were also present in Karabag at that time. All of Azerbaijan's true allies mobilized and participated in one way or another.

Some involved parts of their military forces and other showed diplomatic support to the rights of Azerbaijan to liberate its occupied territory.

What happened in Karabag is the first step towards something bigger concerning not only Turkiye and Azerbaijan, but all of the Turkic world including TRNC, ally countries like Pakistan and beyond.

Hopefully if we continue our works and go trough the challenges together like we did before, we will put an end to an everlasting shedding of blood in our backyards due to the non-stopping West-East Armageddon race and ensure that we have a peace and stability in our region. As Hulusi Akar said "the jinn is out of the bottle" and there is no going back.

There is nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to be kept in secret. We showed the world what is the definition of brotherly love in international relations and what unity, determination and deterrence can succeed. After 30 years we confirmed once again that Karabag is Azerbaijan and I hope in 30 years from now we will be talking about even bigger achievements, our soldiers marching shoulder to shoulder in many more Victory parades to come.

The ones that must be ashamed are the oppressors, the ones that come in our backyards from near and from far in order to plant the seeds of treachery, violence and corruption, turning us one against the other, making us serve their malign agenda on our expense and the price that we paid and continue to pay is measured in blood, tears, poverty and destruction. Inshallah we will confront them wherever its needed and will put an end to their scenarios.

no, you are taking away the sacrifices of hundreds of members of Azerbaijani Special Forces who fought non-stop for 44 days across multiple fronts

As I said, there is not a single piece of evidence to back up your claims of the presence of Turkish and Pakistani special forces in the conflict, it's just pointless Armenian coping
 

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I'm not gonna call propaganda because I do not know for sure but I don't really remember any mention of Pakistani special forces during TV interviews. I do know we had volunteers from Pakistan but I don't think any foreign special forces were involved aside from Turkish ones in an advisory capacity. Not like Armenians didn't have help either, you know the deal about Syrian mercenaries? Apparently Armenia had them too - courtesy of Russia. It was revealed by one of the Syrian human rights watchdogs in an article shitting on foreign involvement in Syria.

Either way, Armenia buying up weapons from France and India is interesting because it comes right after Aliyev and Pashinyan's meeting. Wonder what went down behind closed doors there - did we just jointly agree to spit in Russia's face or something?
 

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A Russian ally's purchase of French and Indian weapons is another sign Moscow is losing influence in its neighborhood​


In recent weeks, Armenia has ordered air-defense systems and radars from France and was reported to have ordered anti-drone systems from India.

Those orders come amid heightened tensions with neighboring Azerbaijan, with which Armenia has fought several conflicts, including a short clash in September that ended with Azerbaijan conquering the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, causing its 120,000 ethnic-Armenian residents to flee.

The acquisitions are notable not only for their timing but also because they show Armenia is taking tangible steps to lessen its dependency on military hardware from Russia, a longtime ally that has offered Yerevan little support against mounting pressure from Azerbaijan.

Armenia's six-week war with Azerbaijan in 2020 captured worldwide attention for Azerbaijan's use of aerial drones. At a press conference to announce the sale in October, France's defense minister said air defenses were "absolutely key" and that Paris was aiding Yerevan with sales of three Thales GM 200 radars and an agreement on the future delivery of short-range Mistral air-defense missiles.

Armenia Azerbaijan Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

An Azerbaijani image of Azerbaijan's forces destroying an Armenian antiaircraft system in Nagorno-Karabakh in September 2020. Azerbaijan Defense Ministry via AP
"Armenia's choice to order air-defense systems from France is a significant one," James Rogers, an expert on drones and precision warfare, told Business Insider. "Not only does it highlight to Russia that Armenia has options when it comes to defense cooperation, but it marks a major leap forward in Armenia's attempts to modernize its military."
Reports in early November indicated Yerevan was also buying more weaponry from India, including Zen anti-drone systems, which are designed to detect and bring down enemy drones. Armenia previously bought four Indian-made Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers in 2022, the first foreign order of that system.

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Nicholas Heras, the senior director of strategy and innovation at the New Lines Institute, told Business Insider that Armenia was advancing its foreign and national security policies on two tracks.

"One track is to build defense alliances with more powerful outside actors in Eurasia, and the second track is to improve the Armenian military's ability to defend against Azeri airpower in tactical engagements," Heras said. "India, in particular, is a prized defense partner with Armenia because India has a large defense industry that can also arm and improve Russian weapons platforms which Armenia deploys."

Azerbaijan Armenia military vehicles

Weapons captured from Armenian forces in the Karabakh War on display at a park in Baku, Azerbaijan, in September. Ozkan Bilgin/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Armenia's military arsenal has long been predominantly Russian, but Yerevan has attempted to change that as its relations with Moscow have soured, especially after its devastating defeat in the 2020 war, during which Azerbaijan used Israeli- and Turkish-made weapons.

Russia has failed to aid Armenia despite Yereven's membership in the Moscow-led Collective Security Treaty Organization. In addition to being tied down by the war in Ukraine, Russia is most likely irked by Armenia moving closer to Washington and the West under Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who has long questioned the value of CSTO membership.
"Armenia's partnership with Russia is at a low ebb, and Pashinyan is pushing forward, slowly but surely, to bring Armenia closer to NATO, including the prospect of normalizing Armenia's relations with Turkey," Heras said.
Heras added that over the past two years, the US had been sending "a strong signal" that it "would like to test out the prospect for a more strategic US-Armenian security relationship."

US Armenia military exercise Eagle Partner

US and Armenian soldiers during Eagle Partner at a training area in Armenia in September. US Army/Spc. Andrew Mendoza
Washington and Yerevan seemed to demonstrate mutual interest in closer defense relations in September when Armenia hosted a bilateral exercise focused on training for peacekeeping operations.

Eighty-five US troops trained alongside 175 Armenia personnel during the drill, which was "a testament to our longstanding partnership with Armenia and builds upon decades of successful peacekeeping and security cooperation," the US Embassy in Armenia said in a statement.

Russia, predictably, opposed the exercise, and Yerevan has kept its distance since then. Pashinyan skipped the organization's summit in mid-November, a move Russia accused the West of orchestrating.
Armenia under Pashinyan has tried to move away from Russia "by building a web of strategic partnerships," Heras said. "Fundamentally, Pashinyan does not want to depend on Russia to ensure Armenia's territorial integrity and security, and his effort to build the relationship with the United States works toward this goal."
Acquiring weaponry from other countries serves a similar purpose, but Armenia's recent purchases also reflect the sensitivity of its international position.

Armenia Nagorno-Karabakh refugee

A refugee from Nagorno-Karabakh in Goris, Armenia, in September. ANTHONY PIZZOFERRATO/Middle East Images /AFP via Getty Images

The Mistral missile has a relatively short range of 4 miles, suggesting the sale is meant to bolster Armenia's arsenal but was made with potential political backlash in mind. Turkey has criticized French arms sales to Yerevan. (Azerbaijan has also criticized the recent French and Indian arms sales to Armenia.)
Rogers said that "range is important in war" and that it enabled strikes on a wider set of targets. "In order not to destabilize the region or risk an outbreak of hostilities, therefore, Armenia and France have agreed to these short-range yet effective air-defense systems."

Heras said that the main quandary facing Armenian foreign policy was it could not afford to sever ties with Russia despite recent tensions, but it also could not trust Russia to intervene on its side if there's another war with Azerbaijan. The need to strike a balance between Russia and new partners while bolstering its small military with limited resources complicates Armenia's task.

"Armenia needs to purchase weapons that improve its ability to pursue a 'porcupine strategy,'" making itself a more threatening target for Azerbaijan if the two countries go to war again, Heras said.
Buying French and Indian short-range air-defense weapons that could be used by small infantry units is "a potentially cost-effective way to impose higher costs on Azerbaijan's drone airpower," Heras added.

https://www.businessinsider.com/arm...eapons-drifting-away-from-ally-russia-2023-12
All this Indian artillery is useless for the Armenians. After the last war, Armenians lost the desire to dance :ROFLMAO: They are sad. And without dancing, they say, Indian howitzers won’t fire :LOL:


Let's see if our Indian colleagues have a sense of humor
 
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It is a tricky game of chess.
Armenia is hesitant to allow more Iranian influence as they seek to join the western block. However, the western block cannot and will not dedicate the required resources to protect them. If Armenia allows Iranian bases it will be the end of their aspirations for becoming western. They'll be black listed and sanctioned.

Iranians use Armenia for their drug trade route.

Armenia doing whatever it can to avoid having peace with the Turks.

Georgia basically working together with Turkiye and Azerbaijan look how it paid off.

Its not like Georgians love us but they are willing to put aside their bs.

Armenians can do the same but they are too stubborn to accept the reality.
 

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