Bangladesh Navy ASuW LPC Project (Cancelled)

[Isa Khan]

All the things related to the LPC will be discussed here from now on. (PDF file of the tender added below)

Google Translation:-

The Turkish defense industry made a bid for the Heavy Missile Patrol Ship (LPC) Tender of the Bangladesh Navy with MİLGEM ADA Class Corvette and ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile.

Bangladesh launched a tender for the procurement of large-type patrol ships (LPC) equipped with 8 Anti-Ship Missiles (AShM) in response to the needs of the Bangladesh Naval Forces Command. According to the Bangladesh press; Held on 26-28 October 2020, the online date 6. Defense Port Turkey during the event, Turkey's ADA ATMACA Anti-ship cruise missile equipped with a tender was announced to offer with Class Corvettes.

According to the information obtained; The Bangladesh Navy has shortlisted the ADA Class Corvette and the ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile System. Bangladesh wants the ships to be built in domestic shipyards.

Four ADA Class Corvettes, which have been produced for the Turkish Naval Forces Command so far, draw attention especially for their submarine defense warfare (DSH) capabilities. The first three of the ADA Class Corvettes have the US production Harpoon Block II Anti-Ship Missile, while the last corvette, the TCG KINALIADA (F-514), has both the Harpoon Block II and the Roketsan ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile, developed with domestic facilities. Mass production ATMACA deliveries to the Turkish Naval Forces are planned to begin in 2021.

In addition, construction activities for Pakistan of four warships (Jannah Class Frigates) similar to the ADA Class Corvette design continue. Two of the four corvettes in Turkey and two in Karachi Shipyard / being produced in Pakistan.

On the other hand, the construction activities of TCG ISTANBUL (F-515), the first frigate within the scope of the MİLGEM I Class Fırakteyn project, which is a continuation of the MİLGEM ADA Class Corvette Project, continues.

ADA Sınıfı Korvet ve ATMACA Bangladeş’te kısa listeye girdi | SavunmaSanayiST

Türk savunma sanayii, Bangladeş Donanması’nın Ağır Füze Devriye Gemisi (LPC) İhalesi’ne MİLGEM ADA Sınıfı Korvet ve ATMACA Gemisavar Füzesi ile teklifte bulundu

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[Saithan]

@anmdt posted some Corvette designs in another thread that looked pretty awesome too for BDN.

 

[Anmdt]

@anmdt posted some Corvette designs in another thread that looked pretty awesome too for BDN.

Yes but probably Ada class will be offered as-is.
I wonder if gas turbines will be delivered too. It would be nicer to see actual requirements to make comment on it.

Especially Durjoy class is classified as LPC (65 meters 650~tons), It is a great opportunity to push for alternative and smaller designs of Milgem (of 78-85 meters length ~1200-1600 tons) to meet their needs in smaller sizes.

 

[Isa Khan]

@anmdt posted some Corvette designs in another thread that looked pretty awesome too for BDN.

Link plz. Also, is the translation accurate?

It would be nicer to see actual requirements to make comment on it.

Look updated to me so i am gonna share the original link:-

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/s_doc/3466.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2C_ApfmdG5EvE8NyvRvAqIVtU5d-ZJo-9K0cWIU_chw771TDRkVKPfrmI

PDF link:-

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[Anmdt]

Link plz. Also, is the translation accurate?



Look updated to me so i am gonna share the original link:-

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/s_doc/3466.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2C_ApfmdG5EvE8NyvRvAqIVtU5d-ZJo-9K0cWIU_chw771TDRkVKPfrmI

PDF link:-

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General Descriptions.
a.Should be capable of operating in tropical conditions.
b.Should have an expected life of minimum 25 years.
c.Annual usage of approximately 3000 hours.
d.Normal refit interval 03(three) years.

103.Displacement at Full Load.
a.Full Load:Not less than 700 tons. (To be mentioned).
b.Normal Load : To be mentioned.

104.Dimensions.
a.Length (overall).Not less than 60 m (To be mentioned).
b.Breadth (max). Not less than 9 m (To be mentioned).
c.Maximum (full load) Draught. Not more than 04 meters (including all underwater projections like Propeller Projection, Skeg etc.).
Draught is to be mentioned as follows:
(1)Draught Fwd -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).
(2)Draught Aft -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).
(3)Draught Midship -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).

105.Speed.
a.Maximum speed .Not less than 27 Knots (At full load).
b.Maximum continuous speed.To be mentioned.
c.Economic speed.To be mentioned.
106.Endurance.Not less than 2500 NM at economic speed.

107.Propulsion and maneuvering.
The propulsion system should consist of the following:
a.Diesel Engines.Preferably two in number four stroke western origin and manufactured (UK/Germany/France/USA) marine diesel engines (driving two propellers) capable of developing sufficient power required to attain the maximum ship‟s speed mentioned in this specification.
b.Reduction Gearbox.Two in number of western origin and manufactured (Germany/France) gearboxes compatible with Diesel Engines (Two propeller shafts connected with One/Two engines through two independent reduction gearboxes). The gear box needs to be compatible with Diesel Engine (Details to be mentioned).
c.Number of Shafts.Two shafts (USA or EU Origin and manufactured) according to the number of main engines propulsion system should be CPP with reduction gear box (To be mentioned).
d.Steering System.Steering system including emergency provision (western origin and manufactured) are to be supplied.
e.Associated auxiliary machinery (western origin and manufactured) are to be supplied.
f.Maneuverability.The hull, propulsion and steering system of the LPC will be such that it can have very good maneuverability:

 

[Anmdt]

General Descriptions.
a.Should be capable of operating in tropical conditions.
b.Should have an expected life of minimum 25 years.
c.Annual usage of approximately 3000 hours.
d.Normal refit interval 03(three) years.

103.Displacement at Full Load.
a.Full Load:Not less than 700 tons. (To be mentioned).
b.Normal Load : To be mentioned.

104.Dimensions.
a.Length (overall).Not less than 60 m (To be mentioned).
b.Breadth (max). Not less than 9 m (To be mentioned).
c.Maximum (full load) Draught. Not more than 04 meters (including all underwater projections like Propeller Projection, Skeg etc.).
Draught is to be mentioned as follows:
(1)Draught Fwd -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).
(2)Draught Aft -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).
(3)Draught Midship -Not more than 04 m (To be mentioned).

105.Speed.
a.Maximum speed .Not less than 27 Knots (At full load).
b.Maximum continuous speed.To be mentioned.
c.Economic speed.To be mentioned.
106.Endurance.Not less than 2500 NM at economic speed.

107.Propulsion and maneuvering.
The propulsion system should consist of the following:
a.Diesel Engines.Preferably two in number four stroke western origin and manufactured (UK/Germany/France/USA) marine diesel engines (driving two propellers) capable of developing sufficient power required to attain the maximum ship‟s speed mentioned in this specification.
b.Reduction Gearbox.Two in number of western origin and manufactured (Germany/France) gearboxes compatible with Diesel Engines (Two propeller shafts connected with One/Two engines through two independent reduction gearboxes). The gear box needs to be compatible with Diesel Engine (Details to be mentioned).
c.Number of Shafts.Two shafts (USA or EU Origin and manufactured) according to the number of main engines propulsion system should be CPP with reduction gear box (To be mentioned).
d.Steering System.Steering system including emergency provision (western origin and manufactured) are to be supplied.
e.Associated auxiliary machinery (western origin and manufactured) are to be supplied.
f.Maneuverability.The hull, propulsion and steering system of the LPC will be such that it can have very good maneuverability:

700< tonnes,
60< meters in length,
27 Knots< max speed,
2500 NM < range at economic speed,
30mm Main gun,
Radar (Air+Surface, Surface minimum at horizon, Air minimum at 100km with anti-jamming capability)
8 AShM,
Diesel engines (2 or 4 with two propellers),
Self air-defense (CIWS - Short range SAM)
Forgot to add + mine laying capability. (Not a big deal to include)

The chart also includes reference and suggested design submission, thus as long as a reference design is built, it is assumed as base for the target.
C1200 (Corvette 78) fits perfectly to all requirements:
Main gun can be replaced with 30 MM stop, Gökdeniz CIWS might be added, there is space enough for all.

Length (OA)	78.00 m
Length (WL)	74.37 m
Beam	12.00 m
Draught (design)	3.00 m
Displacement	1200 t

Max Speed	+27 kn
Max Cont. Speed	15 kn
Economical Speed	15 kn
Endurance	3000 nm @ 15 kn

Link plz. Also, is the translation accurate?



Look updated to me so i am gonna share the original link:-

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/s_doc/3466.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2C_ApfmdG5EvE8NyvRvAqIVtU5d-ZJo-9K0cWIU_chw771TDRkVKPfrmI

PDF link:-

The Noble Quran - Quran.com

The Quran translated into many languages in a simple and easy interface

defence.pk

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[Saithan]

700< tonnes,
60< meters in length,
27 Knots< max speed,
2500 NM < range at economic speed,
30mm Main gun,
Radar (Air+Surface, Surface minimum at horizon, Air minimum at 100km with anti-jamming capability)
8 AShM,
Diesel engines (2 or 4 with two propellers),
Self air-defense (CIWS - Short range SAM)

The chart also includes reference and suggested design submission, thus as long as a reference design is built, it is assumed as base for the target.
C1200 (Corvette 78) fits perfectly to all requirements:
Main gun can be replaced with 30 MM stop, Gökdeniz CIWS might be added, there is space enough for all.

Length (OA)	78.00 m
Length (WL)	74.37 m
Beam	12.00 m
Draught (design)	3.00 m
Displacement	1200 t

Max Speed	+27 kn
Max Cont. Speed	15 kn
Economical Speed	15 kn
Endurance	3000 nm @ 15 kn

Defence Exports & Updates

It's a new logo I guess the old logo reminded some of satanism too much Hz. Solomon's seal is not the deed property of the Jews. On the contrary, Barbaros Hayrettin Pasha used this seal on his banner...

defencehub.live

Only C 78 (1200 tonnes variant) is available at the website but so far it suits to all needs:

Delta Marine | Products

Taking into consideration many different parameters such as economic trends in world trade and shipping, defense projects, ship owners’ needs, shipyard production capabilities, changes in national and international rules and regulations, Delta Marine is able to create and develop design products...

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Should we worry that there is reference to US/German/French/UK products ?

History has shown us that EU and US don't give export permit just to favorize their own close partners.

 

[Anmdt]

Should we worry that there is reference to US/German/French/UK products ?

There are also examples of Turkish products like Smash (several other i have seen among the document), i assumed those are given as examples, generally equipment is restricted as "western origin".

History has shown us that EU and US don't give export permit just to favorize their own close partners.

Who knows but there wasn't any issues with LM2500, Smart-S and MTU engines + RENK gearbox sold to Pakistan.

 

[Saithan]

There are also examples of Turkish products like Smash (several other i have seen among the document), i assumed those are given as examples, generally equipment is restricted as "western origin".

Who knows but there wasn't any issues with LM2500, Smart-S and MTU engines + RENK gearbox sold to Pakistan.

Yes, true.

But wasn't BD considered to be an important member of QUAD, and thus I would say there are grounds for mistrust. They'd favor their own "western" allies in a tender bidding. To establish more firm hold on BD in the power struggle.

If we're going to deliver the corvette with engine then our western allies may raise the price, or unfairly give a much bigger discount to competitive bidder (e.g. Italy).

Am I overthinking this ?

 

[Anmdt]

Yes, true.

But wasn't BD considered to be an important member of QUAD, and thus I would say there are grounds for mistrust. They'd favor their own "western" allies in a tender bidding. To establish more firm hold on BD in the power struggle.

If we're going to deliver the corvette with engine then our western allies may raise the price, or unfairly give a much bigger discount to competitive bidder (e.g. Italy).

Am I overthinking this ?

If it was going to be produced in home country, then we could worry about subsidizing, not directly but indirectly because they would save human resources compared to us, using personnel from shipyard but not the engine/part manufacturer.
In this case, for whichever foreign part bundled on Turkish solution,or their (competitors) own solution; the technicians and personnel would need to travel to Bangladesh.

 

[Gary]

wow, Bangladesh have been through some sort of spending spree lately, how much does BD depends on defense and at what percent to GDP??

 

[Isa Khan]

But wasn't BD considered to be an important member of QUAD

We aren't part of QUAD.

how much does BD depends on defense and at what percent to GDP??

$4.06 billion and 1.1%

 

[Michael Corleone]

@anmdt posted some Corvette designs in another thread that looked pretty awesome too for BDN.

Could you link it brother

 

[Oublious]

8 Ashm for max 700 ton vessel with Cwis? Is it possible with that specifications they want?

 

[Isa Khan]

8 Ashm for max 700 ton vessel with Cwis? Is it possible with that specifications they want?

Not less than 700 tons. That's minimum requirement. No problem if the vessel has bigger displacement.

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/s_doc/3466.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2C_ApfmdG5EvE8NyvRvAqIVtU5d-ZJo-9K0cWIU_chw771TDRkVKPfrmI

Could you link it brother

I think he did.

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[Saithan]

Not less than 700 tons. That's minimum requirement. No problem if the vessel has bigger displacement.

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/s_doc/3466.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2C_ApfmdG5EvE8NyvRvAqIVtU5d-ZJo-9K0cWIU_chw771TDRkVKPfrmI

I think he did.

Defence Exports & Updates

It's a new logo I guess the old logo reminded some of satanism too much Hz. Solomon's seal is not the deed property of the Jews. On the contrary, Barbaros Hayrettin Pasha used this seal on his banner...

defencehub.live

Thanks. I couldn't find it myself

 

[Turko]

700< tonnes,
60< meters in length,
27 Knots< max speed,
2500 NM < range at economic speed,
30mm Main gun,
Radar (Air+Surface, Surface minimum at horizon, Air minimum at 100km with anti-jamming capability)
8 AShM,
Diesel engines (2 or 4 with two propellers),
Self air-defense (CIWS - Short range SAM)
Forgot to add + mine laying capability. (Not a big deal to include)

The chart also includes reference and suggested design submission, thus as long as a reference design is built, it is assumed as base for the target.
C1200 (Corvette 78) fits perfectly to all requirements:
Main gun can be replaced with 30 MM stop, Gökdeniz CIWS might be added, there is space enough for all.

Length (OA)	78.00 m
Length (WL)	74.37 m
Beam	12.00 m
Draught (design)	3.00 m
Displacement	1200 t

Max Speed	+27 kn
Max Cont. Speed	15 kn
Economical Speed	15 kn
Endurance	3000 nm @ 15 kn

Defence Exports & Updates

It's a new logo I guess the old logo reminded some of satanism too much Hz. Solomon's seal is not the deed property of the Jews. On the contrary, Barbaros Hayrettin Pasha used this seal on his banner...

defencehub.live

Only C 78 (1200 tonnes variant) is available at the website but so far it suits to all needs:

Delta Marine | Products

Taking into consideration many different parameters such as economic trends in world trade and shipping, defense projects, ship owners’ needs, shipyard production capabilities, changes in national and international rules and regulations, Delta Marine is able to create and develop design products...

www.deltamarine.com.tr

Another interesting request for a corvette is 30 mm main gun. What's wrong with 76mm?

 

[Anmdt]

Another interesting request for a corvette is 30 mm main gun. What's wrong with 76mm?

Not quite sure but probably because it is designed as an ASuW patrol craft to deploy AShM and smaller gun is considered enough?
There is also requirement of 2x 12.7 mm RWS , maybe these guns altogether intended for OPV role of the ship.

The secondary role of the LPCs will be to perform coastal patrol and constabulary duties within Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)

 

[Anmdt]

Ada-class looks like an overkill for given specs, probably this ASuW variant by TAIS has been tailored for Bangladesh along with newly introduced OPV class & LPC class: Also showcased in SAHA Expo without any names given
1x Smash
2x Stamp
Smart-S / Mar-D
AKR-D Block A1
1x RHIB
8x AShM
Tonnage is given as 660 for standard, in full load exceeds 700,
All but range and endurance fits to the requirements in RfP;
Range is given as 1500 NM at 19 Knots, in excess of 2000 NM at 14-15 Knots (not available on paper)
Endurance is given as 7, it may include additional personnel, so with core personnel may go up to 10.

I think ASFAT will be submitting their own design, not TAIS'.

 

[Isa Khan]