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Hello, ucuyorum. MDA has been in the Space business for many years now including building satellites and the CANADARM used on most of the Apollo systems and the ISS, RADARSAT programs and satellites. No, they have not built Naval Radars yet but with their expertise, they should be able to produce that as well. So to say that they have no expertise to be able to build radars for the CSC Frigates is suspect. I suggest you visit their websites to see what they have to offer at:

Ok I was trying to understand the point you were trying to make, didn't quite get it I guess
 

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Note the absence of X-Band illuminators
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Is a civilian company with no experience of building military radars building the radar for a destroyer? You guys should hope they get consultancy or partnership from some other
Hi, welcome to the conversation. You are correct that while MDA is a great company they haven't built a naval radar. More than likely a partnership with another company with that experience would be a better idea than building it alone and possibility have issues.
 

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Nice pictures Ted. Where did these "Archived" pictures come from? First time I've seen these. Are these official government photos or are these just AI for your own affect? Are you saying MDA is no longer involved with the Illumination Radar system.... then who is?
 
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CSC TYPE 26 FRIGATE LATEST GRAPHICS/CAPABILITIES AS OF 18 MARCH 2024

Here are the latest updates as is either known or speculated as of 18 March 2024 for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) Type 26 Frigate weapons & systems design. The number of MK 41 VLS Cells has been dropped to 24 Cells forward vice 32. As seen by this latest graphic, the mast is not only taller but has lost the X Band Illumination AESA Radar with a large hole in the middle to save weight no doubt however both Ottawa & MDA are not talking. It has been said that the X Band Illumination Radar is now not required for the CSC Frigate as the SPY 7 (V) 3 has the capability of targeting all threats on its own unlike the new AESA SPY 6 (V) 1 by Raytheon for the Arleigh Burkes which has a targeting function within the radar itself. Also notice the Port/Stb'd waist areas midships have been "cut-out" to also save weight no doubt. The crew size has increased from 204 to 210 personnel. The ship tonnage has increased-8,080 tonnes although that will not be the full-load weight (possibly around 9,400 tonnes):

1. 1 x Lockheed Martin (LM) Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 3 Phased Array Solid State Air Search Radar with integration into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM).
2. "X" & "S" Bands Navigation Radars.
3. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Electronic Warfare Suite System & Chaff launchers.
4. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Future High Energy Laser (HEL) Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking).
5. 24 x MK 41 strike length (ExLS) VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3; SM6 & Hypersonic cruise missiles (fitted for, but not with for CSC Batch I build) Batch II build to have up to 64 ExLS Mk 41 cells as with the BAE proposed missile fit for the Australian Hunter class Type 26 Frigate and 4x4 NSMs as with the USN Constellation class (The Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) & Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS) would be replaced to accommodate the increased missile load midships); Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM).
6. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/ Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF).
7. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system and magazines with twin launcher tubes (Port/Stb’d).
8. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS)
9. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for Close In Air Defence System (CIADS) (could be increased to 12 x 4 ExLS cells with CSC Batch II build).
10. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM Surface-To-Surface Missiles-Port/Stb’d above Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). These NSM missiles could be increased to 4 x 4 Quad packs for CSC Type 26 Batch II build as with the Constellation class frigates.
11. Main Gun: 1 x 5-inch Leonardo Oto Melara 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun. This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions – both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – with conventional Anti-Air Warfare ammunition.
12. Secondary Guns: 2 x MARLIN 30 Stabilized Rapid Fire 30mm 174 ATK MK44 Naval Gun Systems (from Leonardo-Port/Stb’d of Flight Deck) with RC-Remotely Controlled; COAX-"Coaxial Electro-Optical Sensor Suite" and ILOS-Independent Line Of Site able to fire HE-High Explosive/AP-Armor-Piercing/TP-Target Practice/ABM-Air Burst Munitions. ROF-Rate Of Fire-SS-Single Shot/100-200 Rounds Per Minute (RPMs); Day & IR Camera. MER-Maximum Effective Range-3500 Meters. Effective against any surface threats/Helicopters and Drones. Outstanding accuracy and precision; automatic Duel-Feed system; Stealthy Design; Video Tracking Capability; High reliability and ease of maintenance with no deck penetration.
13. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)-Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System (future-proofing for possible Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
14. Integrated Bridge & Navigation System from OSI.
15. Internal/External Secure Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris.
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESM) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Electric Countermeasures System (ECM-RAVEN); Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems.
17. Lockheed Martin Combat Management System (CMS)-330/ACS-Aegis Combat Systems in support of CEC and future BMD-Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capabilities.
18. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150.
19. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar (TAS); Towed Torpedo Countermeasures (TTCM)-Sea Sentor S21700.
20. Ultra Electronics Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) known as TLFAS-Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar; (This system is designed to identify and track stealthy submarines in harsh sea environments); Future XLUUV Drone capability (MMB).
21. Sonobouy Processing System (SPS) from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures.
22. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine Propulsion System (CODLOG) to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) from L3 Harris.
23. CSC Reconfigurable Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) along with a Rolls Royce’ Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS)-reconfigurable mission and boat bays including a 9m rescue boat, two 9-12m multi-role boats, and modular mission support (standard 20ft sea containers, other vehicles).
24. “Future-Proofing”-Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Systems-U.K. Dragon Fire DEW (Port/Stb’d waist areas); USN AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System/Tactical High Power Operational Responder (THOR) DEW systems. These DEW systems however, do require more power than usual weapons systems and may necessitate higher power rated CSC Frigate Diesel Generators (DGs). Autonomous Extra Large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicles (XLUUVs) for Special Ops missions (To be housed & launched in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capability.
25. 1 x S-92 CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky ASW Helicopter with the ability to carry 2 X Cyclones if required in the hanger/MMB; Skeldar V200 UAV-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle helicopter drone systems (possibly x 2) from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle" helicopter drones either in the hanger or in 20 ft containers in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB).
26. Speed-approximately 27-30 kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR); required capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops.
27. Crew Compliment-210 max (with separate female officer/sailor quarters).

Latest CSC Info-graphic from Lockheed Martin

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