Air-Force China surpassing Russia in airpower technology

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The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) has concluded that China is well on its way to eclipsing Russia in the field of combat aircraft.

In a recent report, the UK-based think tank contends that Russia and China are on different trajectories in combat aircraft development, with China taking a clear lead in areas such as sensors, datalinks, weapons, and low-observable technology. The single area where Russia retains an edge over China is in aircraft engines.

J-20

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The Chengdu J-20 can carry four PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles in its main weapons bay, in addition to a pair of infrared-homing PL-10s in its side weapons bays


The report, authored by research fellow Justin Bronk, notes that the two countries largely rely on derivatives of the Sukhoi Su-27, that both have worked on low observable aircraft, and that both have increased multi-role capability.

Nonetheless, China is pulling ahead, with advanced types joining both the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and People’s Liberation Army Navy Air Force (PLANAF).

“China has started to build a clear technical lead over Russia in most aspects of combat aircraft development,” says RUSI. “Moreover, Russian industry is unlikely to be able to regain areas of competitive advantage once lost, due to deep structural industrial and budgetary disadvantages compared to the Chinese sector.”

Among light fighters, RUSI contends that the Chengdu J-10 family is “significantly more efficient and flexible than the aging” RAC MiG-29/35 series. At the higher end, the Chengdu J-20 is the only deployed stealth fighter, apart from Lockheed Martin’s F-35 and F-22.

“The J-20 family will be produced in the hundreds over the coming decade, constituting the foremost existing aerial threat to Western air superiority types,” says RUSI.

Sukhoi Su-35

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The Su-35 at the Paris air show in June 2013


Russia’s Su-57, on the other hand, has yet to become a frontline system, and lacks “the basic design features required for a true [low observable] signature”.

The report notes that Russia has struggled to field effective active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars, which offer pilots high detection ranges, but feature low probability of intercept/low probability of detection by adversaries.

As for China’s version of the Su-27, the Shenyang J-11, China has done a great deal to modernise the platform, including the use of composite materials that improve the Chinese version’s thrust-to-weight ratio. RUSI believes that the new J-11D version, equipped with an AESA radar, internal electronic warfare suite, and a superior weapons payload, will be superior to the most advanced iteration of the Su-27 family, the Su-35.

RUSI also regards the Chinese version of the Su-30, the J-16, as a major improvement.

“The J-16 features an AESA radar, increased use of composite materials for reduced weight, a fully digital ‘glass’ cockpit for both crew, compatibility with the full range of Chinese [precision-guided munitions] and a new targeting pod called YINGS-III which is roughly comparable to the US [Lockheed] Sniper pod,” says RUSI.

Chengdu J-10B

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The Chengdu J-10B at Airshow China in 2016


“Following its entry to service in 2015, the J-16 is expected to replace [China’s] Su-30MKK and MK2 fleets over the coming decade in both PLAAF and eventually PLANAF service, and is currently China’s most capable multirole and strike aircraft.”

The report speculates that the 2020s could even see Russia importing Chinese sensor and missile technology.

“For this to occur, the Russian government would have to overcome considerable levels of distrust between Russia and China in military terms, as well as deep-seated Russian pride and attachment to their sovereign aerospace industry,” says RUSI.

“However, the increasing superiority of Chinese radars, [air-to-air missiles] and targeting pods may prove sufficient motivation, especially in the face of a new generation of Western combat aircraft development programmes.”

 

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China?? Russia is getting left behind in the electronics department by Turkey already.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Russia till now doesn't have working combat drones, micro munitions and their targeting pods is I believe not as advanced as that of Aselpod
 

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China?? Russia is getting left behind in the electronics department by Turkey already.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Russia till now doesn't have working combat drones, micro munitions and their targeting pods is I believe not as advanced as that of Aselpod
I also think so. In some fields of EW Turkey surpassed Russia. But in case of Radars and long range Ads still Turkey is struggling. Turkey has gained some clear advantage in AI, software, EW and micromunition technology. In drone tech Turkish position is within three or fourth in the world. Russians Ads are helplessness in front of Turkey’s Drones.
 

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I also think so. In some fields of EW Turkey surpassed Russia. But in case of Radars and long range Ads still Turkey is struggling. Turkey has gained some clear advantage in AI, software, EW and micromunition technology. In drone tech Turkish position is within three or fourth in the world. Russians Ads are helplessness in front of Turkey’s Drones.

We are going to see some strategic AESA radars that is going to be used for airborne and land based, truck mounted early warning, ship radars and low altitude land radar systems in 2021. Turkish radars will use domestic GaN based modules. The indigenous surface to air missiles to be revealed will be stationed under the command of these radars. To guarantee the success rates, Turkish electronic giant Aselsan is developing a hybrid seeker head that is able to seek the target by using both infrqred and radio frequency waves and this seeker head will be used for long range missiles. Shorter range SAMs will have two variants and All variants of same missile will be fired from same launchers. I mean Turkey will soon pıt an end on dominance of famous Russian SAM system by revealing superior missiles in a short time period. We will show them How to provide a superior protection by using these missiles to be operated inside an advanced network.
 

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I think economic difficulties are what makes it hard for Russia to develop capable systems.

It's proof of what restriction on economy means for arms industry.
 

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I think economic difficulties are what makes it hard for Russia to develop capable systems.

It's proof of what restriction on economy means for arms industry.

Their mentality has to change too.
 

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I bet our Hisar's medium range ADS will be better then ther 30 years ADS. For now ther S400 is superior.
 

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According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Russian exports of major arms decreased by 17 per cent between 2009-13 and 2014-18.
 

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Modern weapon need advanced electronics, its just as important as the warhead itself and thats where Russia has been left behind by West and China, Russian hardware, even the modern ones like Pantsir, are being obliterated on the battlefield.
EW is gonna shape future battlefields more and more, the confrontation with Turkey must have woken up Russia in this regard.
 

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Modern weapon need advanced electronics, its just as important as the warhead itself and thats where Russia has been left behind by West and China, Russian hardware, even the modern ones like Pantsir, are being obliterated on the battlefield.
EW is gonna shape future battlefields more and more, the confrontation with Turkey must have woken up Russia in this regard.

Whole Pantsir all-in-one concept is wrong. Even if they had good electronics, they should had kept separate vehicles for missile launcher and SPAAG.
 

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Whole Pantsir all-in-one concept is wrong. Even if they had good electronics, they should had kept separate vehicles for missile launcher and SPAAG.
I kind of like the idea, but without layered spotters I guess it’s not easy, also range is a variable.

Israel has developed a passive locator that extends an exiating radar network. Could be an option.
 

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Modern weapon need advanced electronics, its just as important as the warhead itself and thats where Russia has been left behind by West and China, Russian hardware, even the modern ones like Pantsir, are being obliterated on the battlefield.
EW is gonna shape future battlefields more and more, the confrontation with Turkey must have woken up Russia in this regard.
EW and early warning, Combat Management Systems (Network Centric Warfare), unmanned systems (land, marytime, air) that manages to operate in GPS denied areas, smart decoys and loitering munitions, AI supported decision taking command mechanism integrated in modern and interactive command and control centers, automation and also rise of private military contractors. That is how I personally see the future.

In a time where technology is freely accessible even to insurgents one must not stop to innovate and develop high technology products and cost effective methods in order to be able to counter all kinds of threats conventional an unconventional. We already see changing structures in the armed forces of different countries that are optimized for the modern battlefield. I have a feel that Russia is lacking behind in some of these critical fields for today's and tomorrow's warfare.

In 21st century how many times we will see nuclear weapons used against other countries? Nuclear weapons are not guarantee for success on the geopolitical arena and wars for influence. I would say that nuclear weapons are there to guarantee ones existence and only existence is not enough especially for countries in the scale of Russia.
 

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In 21th century, if a country does not invest in science and tech, catching up later is going to be much more difficult than anytime in history.

Anyone following defense news knows the struggle.
 

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According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Russian exports of major arms decreased by 17 per cent between 2009-13 and 2014-18.
  • Total number of Pantsir SAMs destroyed in Libya and Syria by Turkish drones: 20 (source: @ClashReport)
  • Total number of Russian SAM systems destroyed in Karabakh war: 32 pieces (visually confirmed) Source: @Oryx (6 Strela-10, 16 OSA, 7 S300, 2 TOR-M1, 1 TOR-M2)
SAM systems were the backbone of their defence industry incomes until Turkish drones found them on battlefield.
 

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In 21th century, if a country does not invest in science and tech, catching up later is going to be much more difficult than anytime in history.

Anyone following defense news knows the struggle.
Definitely we are passing the age of Chips , Sensors, and software. Exerperrise on AI and EW will decide the superiority in the war as we see very recently in NK war . Turkey must keep an edge in these fields and I think it is on the right track.
 

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  • Total number of Pantsir SAMs destroyed in Libya and Syria by Turkish drones: 20 (source: @ClashReport)
  • Total number of Russian SAM systems destroyed in Karabakh war: 32 pieces (visually confirmed) Source: @Oryx (6 Strela-10, 16 OSA, 7 S300, 2 TOR-M1, 1 TOR-M2)
SAM systems were the backbone of their defence industry incomes until Turkish drones found them on battlefield.
The destruction of 10 Pantsir-S1s can be visually confirmed (eight in Libya and two in Syria), although it's very likely that more were in fact destroyed, but that the footage was withheld for political reasons.
 
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  • Total number of Pantsir SAMs destroyed in Libya and Syria by Turkish drones: 20 (source: @ClashReport)
  • Total number of Russian SAM systems destroyed in Karabakh war: 32 pieces (visually confirmed) Source: @Oryx (6 Strela-10, 16 OSA, 7 S300, 2 TOR-M1, 1 TOR-M2)
SAM systems were the backbone of their defence industry incomes until Turkish drones found them on battlefield.
Seeing how ClashReport reported on Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan, I think we can safely conclude that the numbers that ClashReport provides are accurate and trustworthy, without even mentioning the rumors that it is an account affiliated to the TSK/MIT.
 

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