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If the United States defends Taiwan separatism, China's only recourse will be war.
Look at the map, what is America looking for in that region? Peace?
It doesn't look like it at all.
America supports separatism in strategically important regions of the world, if there are no problems, it creates problems. Of course, only for the sake of strengthening his power,
and not with the goal of making unhappy peoples happy.
Such is the character of America. Everywhere he is looking for war, not peace.
Therefore, both sides of the Taiwan Strait should handle disputes more wisely. After all, when war occurs, the victims are always civilians.
 

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No matter how the situation develops, avoiding war should be the most important thing!
As soon as the United States, over the course of 75 years, created countless military bases around China and strengthened itself there, Washington began to demand that Beijing not destroy the existing status quo, but maintain peace, otherwise China will appear before the whole world as a violator of the world order...
They really liked the current situation, which they themselves created, completely ignoring the interests of China.

This is ordinary demagoguery and fraud, which the West considers brilliant diplomacy :)

You know, 30 years ago, Armenia and Russia occupied our Karabakh, and then called on us to accept the status quo that they had just created.

Having seen Russia, America and France on the other side, we were forced to accept this damned status quo imposed on us. For 25 years, the entire Christian world, led by the United States, supporting Armenia, demanded that we under no circumstances violate it.

With the help of Turkey, we created a powerful army over the course of 15 years and completely defeated the occupying army in 6 weeks.
Now that we have restored the previously existing status quo in the region, we demand that the West accept it and not disturb the peace:LOL:

Today China looks like an economic giant. If his army is also just as powerful, then, apparently, the time has come to create a new status quo in the region, completely ignoring the squeals of the hypocritical West - these so-called “guardians of peace” throughout the world.
The United States, and indeed the West in general, with its endless wars, are already so disgusted with the rest of the world that if China tomorrow announced its intention to return the global status quo to 1775, when the United States did not exist at all, then I am sure that half the world would support it;) :ROFLMAO:
 

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As soon as the United States, over the course of 75 years, created countless military bases around China and strengthened itself there, Washington began to demand that Beijing not destroy the existing status quo, but maintain peace, otherwise China will appear before the whole world as a violator of the world order...
They really liked the current situation, which they themselves created, completely ignoring the interests of China.

This is ordinary demagoguery and fraud, which the West considers brilliant diplomacy :)

You know, 30 years ago, Armenia and Russia occupied our Karabakh, and then called on us to accept the status quo that they had just created.

Having seen Russia, America and France on the other side, we were forced to accept this damned status quo imposed on us. For 25 years, the entire Christian world, led by the United States, supporting Armenia, demanded that we under no circumstances violate it.

With the help of Turkey, we created a powerful army over the course of 15 years and completely defeated the occupying army in 6 weeks.
Now that we have restored the previously existing status quo in the region, we demand that the West accept it and not disturb the peace:LOL:

Today China looks like an economic giant. If his army is also just as powerful, then, apparently, the time has come to create a new status quo in the region, completely ignoring the squeals of the hypocritical West - these so-called “guardians of peace” throughout the world.
The United States, and indeed the West in general, with its endless wars, are already so disgusted with the rest of the world that if China tomorrow announced its intention to return the global status quo to 1775, when the United States did not exist at all, then I am sure that half the world would support it;) :ROFLMAO:

I don't understand the selective choice to go with 75 years. Why not 100?

The US should have treated the Japanese regime in neutral way and applied no sanctions on them regd their war into Manchuria and then rest of China?

i.e not listened to China for aid (for basic survival to even create the arc that has CCP in mainland today?)

Then left Japanese regime intact with some negotiated settlement (and permittance to continue as they want against China for some more decades till another "Yuan" dynasty created for today) instead of going for total victory against Japan?....if for some reason Japan elected to do pearl harbour anyway?

You even chatted with a Chinese person (that knows the history well enough) in their own language to begin with on these matters?

i.e what is the 1 - 10 rating of China even existing in the shape it is today (PRC and ROC) without US intervening against Japan?

It's not so cut and dry to point fingers at the US as the sole "bad guy". You dont want them, then that needs lot of things requiring you to slug it out yourself, and not invite them to deal with the power eradicating and subjugating you.

It is PRC that honours extremely shamelessly the thug despot (pickled in his crypt at Tiananmen) that said what Japan did to China was a good thing...because it brought him to power.

Without first studying CCP psychological reaction to knowing they exist only because of Japan's defeat (by the US)... you wont get very far on actually understanding today's scenario.
 

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I don't understand the selective choice to go with 75 years. Why not 100?

The US should have treated the Japanese regime in neutral way and applied no sanctions on them regd their war into Manchuria and then rest of China?

i.e not listened to China for aid (for basic survival to even create the arc that has CCP in mainland today?)

Then left Japanese regime intact with some negotiated settlement (and permittance to continue as they want against China for some more decades till another "Yuan" dynasty created for today) instead of going for total victory against Japan?....if for some reason Japan elected to do pearl harbour anyway?

You even chatted with a Chinese person (that knows the history well enough) in their own language to begin with on these matters?

i.e what is the 1 - 10 rating of China even existing in the shape it is today (PRC and ROC) without US intervening against Japan?

It's not so cut and dry to point fingers at the US as the sole "bad guy". You dont want them, then that needs lot of things requiring you to slug it out yourself, and not invite them to deal with the power eradicating and subjugating you.

It is PRC that honours extremely shamelessly the thug despot (pickled in his crypt at Tiananmen) that said what Japan did to China was a good thing...because it brought him to power.

Without first studying CCP psychological reaction to knowing they exist only because of Japan's defeat (by the US)... you wont get very far on actually understanding today's scenario.
“Why 75 years?”
Because it was only after the creation of the People's Republic of China that the United States “got down to business.”
About Japan, of course, you are right.

Obviously, the world order created 80 years ago by the Big Three has today been destroyed. And the main culprits of this destruction are not Putin, who, with the approval of China, unleashed a large-scale war in the center of Europe, but primarily the United States itself, which over the past decades has been the undisputed hegemon.

The main reason is the unfair actions of the United States in the international arena.

The Americans have created a fair society for themselves, but for the last 30 years they have been ruling the world boorishly, that is, like cowboys, and sometimes (in Afghanistan, Iraq) simply inhumanely.
And it always ends like this.

Any authority, for sustainability, must be based not only on force, but also on justice.
 
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“Why 75 years?”
Because it was only after the creation of the People's Republic of China that the United States “got down to business.”
About Japan, of course, you are right.

Obviously, the world order created 80 years ago by the Big Three has today been destroyed. And the main culprits of this destruction are not Putin, who, with the approval of China, unleashed a large-scale war in the center of Europe, but primarily the United States itself, which over the past decades has been the undisputed hegemon.

The main reason is the unfair actions of the United States in the international arena.

The Americans have created a fair society for themselves, but for the last 30 years they have been ruling the world boorishly, that is, like cowboys, and sometimes (in Afghanistan, Iraq) simply inhumanely.
And it always ends like this.

Any authority, for sustainability, must be based not only on force, but also on justice.

The world is full of strong forces out for their own interests....that is how world works when there is heavy mistrust in the end between the extension of tribe to country to begin with.

Saying just one is the root of all the problems today (in some region snapshot) is not correct.

As basic standard for justice, I look at whether a country has done basic accountability on who caused most innocent deaths, especially by its own (regime) hand.

If your "founding father" is culpable to high degree with his policy of "continued internal war" (onus is on regime to take him out of crypt and "de-stalinise" appropriately as step 1). Instead of lauding and celebrating him in cultish form just like North Korea does to its crazier degree.

That stacks where it does to begin with in basic justice regarding the outside force that removed Japanese genocide from your country to begin with.....a Japanese genocide the "founding CCP father" praised (again in his continued war psyche of rank zero-sum thinking). Yet the regime selectively picks and chooses regarding Japan today...wishcasting and gaslighting past what Mao said.

If this is all not done, anything that pops out blabbing from such a CCP regime, I treat just like Xi Jinping sending his daughter to Harvard on his official communist public servant salary.

They made their own bed in end and they can sleep in it now as CCP has its free agency in the end well past outsiders and the accountability and justice to be held up in basic way first.....things that are simply not done in this system that are taken for granted in other systems.

There is a reason Vietnam that suffered as it did under war the French and US waged against them, now works and cooperate with the West against PRC in the military sphere.

They also understand the context of that first war compared to complete depraved new one the CCP did attacking them in 1979 for what? That was another western/american scheme in end or CCP had its own personal agency to try help out their beloved Pol Pot in Cambodia? Or it goes back to something far earlier regarding Vietnamese and Chinese history...that again CCP selectively did their take on (and now have significant issue with Vietnam baked in for the future by their own doing?)

I have a very different take on this stuff in the end. You need to read about things related to CCP (its various phases) in the end to understand the PRC. The CCP predates PRC after all....and in significant way compared to bolsheviks and USSR.

Totalitarian statist degeneracy churns its own conditions counter to it, around it and inside it too.
 

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The world is full of strong forces out for their own interests....that is how world works when there is heavy mistrust in the end between the extension of tribe to country to begin with.

Saying just one is the root of all the problems today (in some region snapshot) is not correct.

As basic standard for justice, I look at whether a country has done basic accountability on who caused most innocent deaths, especially by its own (regime) hand.

If your "founding father" is culpable to high degree with his policy of "continued internal war" (onus is on regime to take him out of crypt and "de-stalinise" appropriately as step 1). Instead of lauding and celebrating him in cultish form just like North Korea does to its crazier degree.

That stacks where it does to begin with in basic justice regarding the outside force that removed Japanese genocide from your country to begin with.....a Japanese genocide the "founding CCP father" praised (again in his continued war psyche of rank zero-sum thinking). Yet the regime selectively picks and chooses regarding Japan today...wishcasting and gaslighting past what Mao said.

If this is all not done, anything that pops out blabbing from such a CCP regime, I treat just like Xi Jinping sending his daughter to Harvard on his official communist public servant salary.

They made their own bed in end and they can sleep in it now as CCP has its free agency in the end well past outsiders and the accountability and justice to be held up in basic way first.....things that are simply not done in this system that are taken for granted in other systems.

There is a reason Vietnam that suffered as it did under war the French and US waged against them, now works and cooperate with the West against PRC in the military sphere.

They also understand the context of that first war compared to complete depraved new one the CCP did attacking them in 1979 for what? That was another western/american scheme in end or CCP had its own personal agency to try help out their beloved Pol Pot in Cambodia? Or it goes back to something far earlier regarding Vietnamese and Chinese history...that again CCP selectively did their take on (and now have significant issue with Vietnam baked in for the future by their own doing?)

I have a very different take on this stuff in the end. You need to read about things related to CCP (its various phases) in the end to understand the PRC. The CCP predates PRC after all....and in significant way compared to bolsheviks and USSR.

Totalitarian statist degeneracy churns its own conditions counter to it, around it and inside it too.
I don't know much about China, India or Southeast Asia in general.
I read their stories just to learn a little about what kind of countries they are.
Why do you mention PDA so often? The history of any party has never interested me. What does the PDA have to do with it?
I am not at all interested in what political system is in China or India. I’ll say even more: I don’t even know whether, say, Aliyev is the head of a political party. I've never been interested in such things.
I don't see any difference whether Roosevelt was a Democrat or a Republican.
For the Japanese or Germans who died under American bombs, this hardly mattered.

(at the same time, I certainly understand what a big role political parties play in domestic and foreign policy)

I cannot imagine that you yourself were interested in which political party belonged to the famous Indian commander-in-chief Pora, who fought
against Iskander of Macedon

It seems that the generally accepted opinion will soon become that the unipolar world led by the West (USA, Europe) is over (even regardless of how the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East end), and a new world order is being formed, with several centers of power. It is likely that in the coming decades, China and India will become separate centers of power with their own allies and global interests.
And here it becomes interesting - what kind of foreign policy will these two superpowers have? Will it not be expansionist, aimed at neighboring countries?
This is the essence of my question!
 

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As soon as the United States, over the course of 75 years, created countless military bases around China and strengthened itself there, Washington began to demand that Beijing not destroy the existing status quo, but maintain peace, otherwise China will appear before the whole world as a violator of the world order...
They really liked the current situation, which they themselves created, completely ignoring the interests of China.

This is ordinary demagoguery and fraud, which the West considers brilliant diplomacy :)

You know, 30 years ago, Armenia and Russia occupied our Karabakh, and then called on us to accept the status quo that they had just created.

Having seen Russia, America and France on the other side, we were forced to accept this damned status quo imposed on us. For 25 years, the entire Christian world, led by the United States, supporting Armenia, demanded that we under no circumstances violate it.

With the help of Turkey, we created a powerful army over the course of 15 years and completely defeated the occupying army in 6 weeks.
Now that we have restored the previously existing status quo in the region, we demand that the West accept it and not disturb the peace:LOL:

Today China looks like an economic giant. If his army is also just as powerful, then, apparently, the time has come to create a new status quo in the region, completely ignoring the squeals of the hypocritical West - these so-called “guardians of peace” throughout the world.
The United States, and indeed the West in general, with its endless wars, are already so disgusted with the rest of the world that if China tomorrow announced its intention to return the global status quo to 1775, when the United States did not exist at all, then I am sure that half the world would support it;) :ROFLMAO:
Realistically who would support china in such a case? India, japan or south korea aint gonna support it and will actively try to screw the chinese any way possible. Most of the western world certainly aren't for it. Then we have the usual iran, north korea literal pariah states.Even your own azerbaijan will side with the west or remain neutral. Even with all the shit the US does china has triumphed in being the bad guy of the indo Pacific.
 

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Realistically who would support china in such a case? India, japan or south korea aint gonna support it and will actively try to screw the chinese any way possible. Most of the western world certainly aren't for it. Then we have the usual iran, north korea literal pariah states.Even your own azerbaijan will side with the west or remain neutral. Even with all the shit the US does china has triumphed in being the bad guy of the indo Pacific.
Even 25-30 years ago, many experts (even Western ones) predicted that by 2020 China would overtake the United States economically, and after another 5 years, militarily.
At the time it seemed completely incredible. But today we are witnessing some realities.

(By the way, some experts predict that in 10-15 years India will probably become larger than China, not to mention the United States. We must assume that in a military sense too)

I have a counter question for you: does China really need allies?
It seems not. China doesn't even need Russia as an ally.
We see it. Russia needs this, but China does not.

The suggestion that the United States would go to war with China if Beijing took military action to "get Taiwan back on track" :) is just a guess. Neither the US, nor India, nor Japan will likely do this. And some countries, such as Russia and Iran, may support China.

(My country plays no role in global issues. Unless we support China in the UN vote, because we, like most countries, recognize China as a single country.
As for our region - the South Caucasus - I assure you that not a single howitzer will fire here without our permission :))
 
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I've just learned :

Taiwan it wasn't a movement of seperatist local people.

Having lost the civil war against communists, nationalist movement had to escape from mainland. They ran away Taiwan island so they appeared to have invaded İsland. Local Taiwanese didn't invite them.

On the other hand i have no idea about today's Taiwan nation.

@Nilgiri
 

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Eventhough I have no sympathy for the political elite of China or their ideology... The fact is still there...Taiwan and China... the they are literally the same people... For this case I dont think that China is the only evil
 
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There's only one China, but it's not clear and never be clearly defined who is the 'Real China' China. It's up for anyone to interpret.

Yes, the U.S will likely goes to war with China in this decade or the next. If the Russian conquest of Ukraine is successful despite all NATO/western aid, then the more likely Beijing be confident with their size, after all China's industrial power is even larger than the West.

2 dilemmas going forward :

1. Oppose China because I don't like Communist hegemony
2. Support China because I don't like Western democracies

The best outcome of this is a successful Chinese occupation of Taiwan, but it must be a pyrrhic victory, that while successful, will rob China of it's opportunities to grow and expand in the future.
 

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I've just learned :

Taiwan it wasn't a movement of seperatist local people.

Having lost the civil war against communists, nationalist movement had to escape from mainland. They ran away Taiwan island so they appeared to have invaded İsland. Local Taiwanese didn't invite them.

On the other hand i have no idea about today's Taiwan nation.

@Nilgiri

Yes but again the role of Japan is immense in this story, it has to be mentioned to make sense of "why" the KMT lost the civil war (they faced the full brunt against the Japanese compared to the late entrants the CCP).

They (KMT) didn't really invade Taiwan....and no Chinese person anywhere "invited" either KMT or CCP to their part of the nation, island or not. Political parties and movements connection to the salt of the earth peasants and plebs in the end is complicated long thing to study.

Taiwan was simply another part of China (in the post ww2 continuation of chinese civil war), officially joined back to it with cancellation of treaty of shimonoseki after ww2 ended (that originally gave it to Japan after they defeated the Qing in an earlier war).

Yes the KMT fled there and essentially sustained the original ROC state....drawing legitimacy from Dr. Sun (the founding father)....who by the by is also respected by the CCP (long story as they do not hold Dr. Sun as culpable for CKS "betrayal" of the working agreement).

The falling out (The civil war origins) between KMT and CCP (within the ROC) is a long story of its own. I underline that part, because the CCP accepted the ROC constitution drafting principles, Sun-Yat-sen compromises etc (and its long story how Stalin/CPSU played role in coercing this to keep a communist force alive and at the ready in China for the future etc...for Soviet interests)

I mean even in the USSR, the bolshevik takeover was not a fait accompli as you know regarding the context of immediate vicinity of the Duma, Moscow etc....relative to size of Russia and the factions that pre-dated the bolsheviks (tsar loyalists, but also non-bolshevik statists) that got lumped in as the "White russian" forces against the "reds".

CKS (Chiang Kai Shek) knew about this history with the Communists (bolshevik arc in USSR) in the end, their political nature that would turn against him at some point..... so he decided to strike while he had the maximum window for it after Dr. Sun passed away at relatively early age.

For every story like the cossacks staying loyal to the Tsar and paying a brutal price for it in the end.....there are many parallels too in the Chinese civil war. Russia simply didnt have an intrinsic island component in end for exiles.....its one large landmass with siberia to exile and punish/depopulate the losers right away.

Each paragraph of this reply, I could type 100 other paragraphs lol. Its a very long subject in end.
 
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Even 25-30 years ago, many experts (even Western ones) predicted that by 2020 China would overtake the United States economically, and after another 5 years, militarily.
At the time it seemed completely incredible. But today we are witnessing some realities.

(By the way, some experts predict that in 10-15 years India will probably become larger than China, not to mention the United States. We must assume that in a military sense too)

I have a counter question for you: does China really need allies?
It seems not. China doesn't even need Russia as an ally.
We see it. Russia need🤐pris this, but China does not.

The suggestion that the United States would go to war with China if Beijing took military action to "get Taiwan back on track" :) is just a guess. Neither the US, nor India, nor Japan will likely do this. And some countries, such as Russia and Iran, may support China.ooo

(My country plays no role in global issues. Unless we support China in the UN vote, because we, like most countries, recognize China as a single country.
As for our region - the South Caucasus - I assure you that not a single howitzer will fire here without our permission :)
The problem with china is they will never see anyone as allies. Indian left wing weasels and the majority of right wing always had the idea of china being an ally that would fight hand in hand with indians on western dominance and got a reality check quickly when the border issue broke out. Our dear neighbour to the west had endless dreams of how CPEC will make them an economic power house and gwadar would become the next dubai. Now 10 years later roughly 70% of the project is abandoned the port of gwadar now effectively has less traffic than even ports in nigeria. China has shown its no different in africa than western or russian activities there. People expecting china to be ally or an enemy will in the end get disappointed.
 

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How America Inadvertently Created an ‘Axis of Evasion’ Led by China​


Western sanctions and export controls were meant to subdue America’s enemies, leveraging the power of the dollar to strong-arm governments into submission without the bloodshed of military force. They have inadvertently birthed a global shadow economy tying together democracy’s chief foes, with Washington’s primary adversary, China, at the center.

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Unprecedented finance and trade restrictions on Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, China and other authoritarian regimes have squeezed those economies by curbing access to Western goods and markets. But Beijing has increasingly foiled those U.S.-led efforts by bolstering trade ties, according to Western officials and customs data. The bloc of sanctioned nations collectively now have the economy of scale to shield them from Washington’s financial warfare, trading everything from drones and missiles to gold and oil.

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“China is the strategic competitor willing and able to reshape the current global order,” said Dana Stroul, a former senior U.S. defense official and now a senior fellow at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Liu Pengyu, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, defended Beijing’s policies, saying that the country wasn’t providing lethal weapons to anyone involved in the Ukraine conflict.

“China carries out normal economic and trade exchanges with relevant countries on the basis of equality and mutual benefit,” he said. “The relevant trades under international law are legal and legitimate, thus should be respected and protected.”

The governments of Russia, Iran, Venezuela and North Korea, contacted through their diplomatic offices in the U.S., didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The bloc’s trade needs are aligned. On one side of the equation, China gets oil from three OPEC powerhouses—Russia, Iran and Venezuela—at heavily discounted prices. That is a windfall for the world’s biggest oil importer, which bought more than 11 million barrels of oil a day last year to keep its economy running. Those countries, in turn, then have revenue they can use to buy sanctioned goods from China.

“Oil revenue from China is propping up the Iranian and Russian economies and is undermining Western sanctions,” said Kimberly Donovan of the Atlantic Council, a Washington-based think tank. Donovan, who calls this group the “axis of evasion,” said the countries’ use of Chinese currency and payment systems for that trade restricts Western authorities’ access to financial data and weakens their ability to enforce sanctions.


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Chinese and Russian customs data show China has supplanted Russia’s loss of Western access to the highest priority dual-use goods, products that have both civilian and military uses.

A Chinese state-owned defense company, Poly Technologies, for example, sent nearly two dozen shipments between September and December last year to a U.S.-sanctioned, state-owned Russian firm that manufactures military and civilian helicopters—Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, according to a Journal review of Russian customs data.

Poly Technologies, which is also sanctioned by the U.S., is also responsible for a 1,200 kilo shipment of rifles on Feb. 16 last year to Izhevsky Arsenal, which describes itself as a government contractor and one of Russia’s biggest wholesalers of weapons.

Customs records also show Chinese firms were responsible for all 60 shipments last year to a Russian company that U.S. officials say is part of the procurement channel for Iran’s production of military drones in Russia for Moscow’s forces. The companies didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Russia’s war against Ukraine has also provided Tehran with an economic and strategic opportunity. Selling Moscow fleets of military drones and establishing a production facility in Russia provides Iran with income, bolsters international perceptions of Tehran’s military power, and provides valuable wartime data, say former U.S. security officials.


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Iran is also supplying Venezuela with weapons, technical assistance for its energy infrastructure, and other sanctioned goods, according to U.S. officials and customs data. In exchange, Caracas has provided Iran with gold from its vast Orinoco deposits, according to Western officials, a commodity difficult to track around the world and whose fungibility allows for sanctioned nations to sidestep the Western banking system.

China’s ability—and willingness—to keep Russia’s war machine running and help Moscow rebuild its military industrial capacity fostered unprecedented trade and finance, say U.S. officials.

“It revealed a degree of trust that could potentially open the door to wider integration of their defense industrial base,” said a senior intelligence official with knowledge of the two countries’ trade relationship.

 
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317th Airlift Wing “explodes into theater” with maximum endurance operation to Guam for Valiant Shield 24; 2 U.S. aircraft carriers & 5 destroyers participate

- As NATO holds its largest naval drills in the Baltic, the U.S. is conducting large-scale exercises in WESTPAC
- Amphibious command flagship USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19), 2x aircraft carriers USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) & USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), cruiser USS Robert Smalls (CG 62), 5x destroyers USS Higgins (DDG 76), USS Rafael Peralta (DDG 115), USS Daniel Inouye (DDG 118), USS Russell (DDG 59), USS Halsey (DDG 97), & amphibious dock landing ship USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 49) involved

- Fly over with 2x USAF B-1B Lancer heavy bombers, 4x F/A-18 Super Hornets, 4x F-22 Raptors, 4x F-16 Falcons, 1x RC-135, & 1x KC-46 Pegasus tanker

- U.S. Army will launch high-altitude balloons near Guam & the Mariana Islands that will be recovered in the continental US. HABs include “electromagnetic spectrum sensors & radio networking equipment which enable maritime domain awareness”

- U.S. Army’s 3rd Multi-Domain Task Force will fire an Autonomous Multi-Domain Launcher. The AML is an unmanned rocket launcher based on the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, designed to engage precise ground & surface targets
- 317th AW successfully completed an expanded Maximum Endurance Operation to Guam with 4x C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, building on their first historic MEO in April, & demonstrating the ability to “explode into theater to maneuver at speed, scale, & mass”
- A Japanese destroyer, helicopter carrier, attack submarine, & fighter aircraft also participated, as well as French & Canadian frigates
 

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Taiwan welcomes US missile deployment in Luzon​



Taiwan does not intend to provoke China into an armed invasion, but Taipei welcomes the deployment of missiles by the US in the northern Philippines, a top Taiwanese official said here this week.

Deputy Foreign Minister Chung-kwang Tien told The STAR on June 18 that new Taiwan President William Lai, tagged by Beijing as a separatist, has said his administration does not intend to provoke China.

Tien said that as enunciated by Lai, Taiwan’s current policy is “we are not going to use provocative things, words or deeds to antagonize the other side.”


Last Monday, another Taiwanese foreign ministry official also said Lai has publicly softened his position from years ago in support of Taiwan independence.

Catherine Hsu, director general of the Department of International Information Services in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said Lai’s “pragmatic” stance on Taiwan’s independence means “we don’t provoke.”


Last April, the US Army deployed Typhon missiles in Northern Luzon for the Salaknib joint military exercises with the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

The US Army, in a statement, said: “In a historic first, the 1st Multi-Domain Task Force successfully deployed the Mid-Range Capability (MRC) missile system to Northern Luzon, Philippines, on April 11, 2024, as part of Exercise Salaknib 24.”

“This landmark deployment marks a significant milestone for the new capability while enhancing interoperability, readiness and defense capabilities in coordination with the Armed Forces of the Philippines,” the statement declared.

The missile launcher can fire Tomahawk cruise missiles and SM-6 missiles.


It is unclear if there will be more missile deployments for future joint drills between the treaty allies, but the move was condemned by Beijing.

Hsu, when asked by foreign journalists about the possibility of armed conflict between Taiwan and China, said, “We don’t think war is inevitable. We don’t think war is unavoidable. We just want to prevent the worst from happening.”

Certain quarters saw the deployment as part of preparations for a Chinese invasion to retake Taiwan, which some US officials say could happen as early as 2027.

Chinese President Xi Jinping recently told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen that the US is trying to provoke China to invade Taiwan.

Asked for comment on the missile deployment in Northern Luzon, Tien stressed the importance of maintaining a “free and open Indo-Pacific,” with no one trying to unilaterally change the status quo using armed force, in contravention of international rules.

“Whoever can collectively protect this area should be welcome,” Tien told The STAR, as he pointed out that among Taipei’s allies, the Philippines is located closest to Taiwan.

“We share the same waters,” he said. “Keeping this area secure and prosperous is our responsibility.”

Taiwan’s sea claim

Taiwan is also claiming parts of the Spratly island chain. The Taiwan government, at the time the recognized representative of China, first set out the imaginary demarcation called the nine-dash line after World War II, unilaterally delineating China’s maritime domain in the South China Sea.

In 2016, the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, acting on a petition filed by the Philippines, invalidated this entire claim for having no basis in international law. In the same ruling, the PCA defined the Philippines’ maritime entitlements within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone, based on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

China has refused to abide by the PCA ruling, which other countries led by the Group of Seven advanced economies have described as legally binding.

But Beijing submitted a statement on its stand on the issue, which cited both the Treaty of Paris and the clarificatory Treaty of Washington in 1900 in defending its maritime claim.

Retired Supreme Court senior associate justice Antonio Carpio recently pointed out that in this submission, Beijing inadvertently acknowledged the validity of the Philippine claim in the West Philippine Sea, as defined in the Treaty of Washington.

Asked if the PCA ruling meant Taiwan was dropping the nine-dash-line claim, Tien echoed what former Taiwanese foreign minister Joseph Wu Jaushieh had told The STAR last year: Taiwan was not consulted on the issue and its maritime claim stands.

Tien said historical claims on territory are complicated to resolve.

The difference between Taiwan and China, Tien stressed, is how claimants with overlapping claims deal with the issue.

Taiwan, Tien said, can talk with the Philippines, or join hands for maritime exploration, while China resorts to force and intimidation, such as the use of high-pressure water cannons and ramming of Philippine vessels.

“They show muscle,” Tien said. “This is an uncivilized way.”

While China resorts to intimidation and aggressive harassment, Taiwan prefers to make friends. Tien stressed that unlike Beijing, Taipei does not put recipients of its aid in a debt trap, or require the recipients to give up their sovereignty.

“Taiwan will never, never do that,” Tien said, adding that in dealing with aid recipients, the Chinese “always give empty promises… in the end they cannot deliver.”

In a related development, Tien expressed Taiwan’s appreciation for the Filipinos working or living permanently in Taiwan, now numbering about 200,000.

“We appreciate so much their contributions,” Tien said. “They are the ones who contribute to Taiwan’s development.”

 

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