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Still doesn't explain how it ended US dominance. The fact that China must "wait" for the USA to make its move shows who is the dominant power in Asia.
What did US do? calling China repeatedly to tell China that the White House can not control Pelosi? or they recent repeated reassurance of one China policy?
 

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What did US do? calling China repeatedly to tell China that the White House can not control Pelosi? or they recent repeated reassurance of one China policy?
How about ensuring that China can't and won't harm Pelosi even though her actions are technically a mockery of one China.
 

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How about ensuring that China can't and won't harm Pelosi even though her actions are technically a mockery of one China.
Why China has to hurt Pelosi, China is not that supid, if China did, the whole world will turn against China, do you really think Chinese leaders are that stupid? they just wait and take this chance to forever changed the status quo in Taiwan.
 

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Chinese warships and jets skirt Taiwanese coastline as Beijing tries to keep up pressure after Pelosi visit​

  • As exercises encircling the island continue, state media publishes images showing a marine monitoring the coastline deep inside territorial waters
  • Foreign Minister Wang Yi warns US not to ‘stir up a bigger crisis’ but Washington says many countries are concerned by China’s ‘unacceptable’ behaviour


Jack Lau Lawrence Chung in Taipeiand Teddy Ng in Hong Kong
Published: 11:29pm, 6 Aug, 2022

Mainland Chinese warships have pressed deep into Taiwan’s territorial waters for the first time as Beijing kept up military and diplomatic pressure on the island over US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit.

On Saturday, the third day of its unprecedented military drills around Taiwan, state news agency Xinhua released a photo taken the previous day showing a marine monitoring the coastline of Taiwan.

While the People’s Liberation Army did not specify where it was taken, a white structure that appeared to be the chimney of the Ho-Ping power plant in Hualien country on the east coast of Taiwan could be identified.

Xinhua also released footage of a PLA fighter jet flying along the coastline of the island.


It means that not only have the PLA warships and warplanes crossed the median line dividing the Taiwan Strait, they are apparently deep into the 12 nautical miles (22.2km) of Taiwan’s territorial space – a first in the PLA’s history.

Xinhua said the PLA had simulated assaults on Taiwan in designated areas to the north, southwest and east of the island on Saturday.
The island’s defence ministry detected 20 batches of warplanes and 14 warships operating around its waters and airspace on Saturday. It said 14 PLA warplanes – 10 Su-30 and four J-11 fighters – had crossed the median line between Taiwan and the mainland.

The massive military exercises will end at noon on Sunday.

Beijing launched the drills in response to a visit by US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi last week.

Pelosi, second in the presidential line of succession, is the highest-ranking US official in 25 years to visit the self-governed island. Beijing sees it as part of its territory and issued repeated warnings against the trip, which it regards as a serious violation of its sovereignty.

On Friday Beijing sanctioned Pelosi and her family and put on hold its cooperation with the United States in a number of areas, from military dialogue to fighting climate change.

The following Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi warned the US not to “stir up a bigger crisis” as Washington stepped up its military deployment in the region.

“The usual tactic of the US is that they first create the problems and then use them to achieve their goal. But this approach will not work for China,” Wang said on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Cambodia.
“We must solemnly warn the US not to act rashly or create a bigger crisis.”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...after-pelosis?module=hard_link&pgtype=article

The US has denied it wants to change the status quo in the Taiwan Strait and has accused China of overreacting to Pelosi’s visit.

The White House summoned Chinese ambassador Qin Gang shortly after Beijing imposed sanctions on Pelosi and stopped cooperation with the US on various issues.
US national security spokesman John Kirby said Beijing’s actions “were a concern, of course, not only to us but to Taiwan and the rest of the world”.
He added: “We wanted to make sure that [Qin] knew how much the international community was also opposed to this.”

He said many US allies and regional partners were “expressing their concerns” over what Beijing was doing “and making it clear that, like us, they don’t find this acceptable behaviour”.

An opinion piece by Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily, quoting the foreign ministry statistics, said more than 160 countries had expressed support for the one-China principle after Pelosi made her “provocative” visit. The principle holds that Taiwan is part of China.

“Over 80 per cent of the global population, or 90 per cent of the countries, have sided with China this time. We are on the right side of history. While on the other side, you have the US and a handful of its lackeys,” the article said.

The visit has plunged the already tense relationship between the two countries to a new low. The Chinese side has refused to engage after US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley have made multiple calls to their Chinese counterparts, according to Politico.

Wang told a press conference China’s reaction was justified.

“Our military drills are open, transparent and professional, in line with domestic law, international law and international practice. They aim to warn the perpetrators and punish Taiwan independence forces,” Wang said.

“If the principle of non-interference in internal affairs is ignored and abandoned … the United States will more recklessly treat and bully other countries, especially small and medium-sized countries, with its so-called power status.”

Chinese state media also stepped up the rhetoric against Pelosi, with a scathing opinion piece from Xinhua accusing her of “six sins”, including damaging peace with her trip to Taiwan.

The article also said her visit violated the three communiqués – the joint statements that form the basis of modern US-China ties – and lashed out at the US for “hollowing out” the one-China principle.

Pelosi dismissed the claims, saying she visited Taiwan to support its democracy as Beijing was heightening cross-strait tensions.
In Taiwan, President Tsai Ing-wen vowed not to back down in the face of the increasing pressure from across the strait.

In a post on Facebook, she condemned Beijing for conducting massive military operations “in one of the busiest traffic corridors” in the world.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ifferent-newt?module=hard_link&pgtype=article

Tsai asked the Taiwanese people to stay calm, saying: “We will only become more united. Our military is doing their best.”
More than 351 flights were affected by the military exercises on Saturday, including 65 that were cancelled, according to the island’s transport ministry.

 

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This multiple days mass military operation is more about calling US bluff and undermining their global military credit and image than really taking over Taiwan.
 

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TAIPEI TIMES: China continues Strait drills for third day​

Sun, Aug 07, 2022

China yesterday held live-fire drills off Taiwan proper for a third consecutive day, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA) Eastern Military Zone command saying that its exercises focused on surface bombardment and maritime assault capabilities.

China arbitrarily set restricted airspace zones around Taiwan proper, unilaterally changing the “status quo” in the Taiwan Strait and disrupting peace in the Asia-Pacific region, the Ministry of National Defense said.

As of 5pm yesterday, it had tracked about 20 planes and 14 ships operating near the Strait’s median line, the ministry said.

About 10 Sukhoi Su-30s and four J-11s crossed the median line, approaching Taiwan proper from China’s Fujian and Zhejiang provinces, while four J-16s, one Y-8 transport plane and one Y-20 refueling plane flew into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone from the southwest and returned the same way, the ministry said.

A photograph released by the PLA yesterday showed a Chinese navy vessel close to Taiwan’s east coast facing off against a Taiwanese Knox-class frigate. Another photo showed Chinese planes approaching Taiwan’s airspace, taking pictures of Taiwan’s coast and the Central Mountain Range.

The Chinese state-run Global Times said the photos showed the closest-ever approaches of Chinese forces to Taiwan.

All Chinese warships and planes that crossed the median line were warned and immediately sent back across it, the ministry said, adding that it suspected they were simulating attacks on Taiwan.

The air force yesterday said it had continually monitored Chinese movements, adding that Patriot-III missile systems are ready to defend the nation’s airspace.

In Taipei, the Military News Agency released pictures taken by the air force showing its Air Defense and Missile Command taking position.

A major surnamed Chou (周) said the command had finished combat preparations, as instructed by its superiors, and was ready for any circumstances.

Taiwan is tracking enemy planes and missiles, and its soldiers are resolved and ready to defend the nation, Chou said.

Meanwhile, the drills impeded shipping, with commercial vessels reconsidering loading cargo at Taiwanese ports, potentially creating delays for shipments of electronic goods.

Ship owners, worried about the possibility of missile strikes, are choosing to idle vessels and burn extra fuel until the drills are over.

Ships are dropping anchor at sea to avoid a drill zone off Kaohsiung, said Jayendu Krishna, deputy head of consultancy Drewry Maritime Advisors.

The zone, one of the largest areas where China is holding drills, is 15 nautical miles (27.78km) from the entrance of the Port of Kaohsiung.

The Strait is a key route for supply chains, with almost half of the global container fleet passing through it this year.

While vessels are continuing to travel through the Strait during the military exercises, they are navigating around the drill zones.

The Maritime and Port Bureau on Thursday told ships to avoid areas east of Taiwan in which China said it would hold drills until tomorrow.

China is also practicing firing weapons in the southern part of the Yellow Sea, the Maritime Safety Administration in the eastern Chinese city of Lianyungang said.

The drills would last for 10 days until Aug. 15, it said.

In Taipei, the military yesterday said that its units on Kinmen County’s main island and its nearby smaller islands detected four uncrewed aerial vehicles flying near the coast.

The four drones were spotted flying over restricted sea areas off the main island, Lieyu Island (烈嶼) and Beiding islet (北碇島), the army’s Kinmen Defense Command said.

Taiwan fired warning flares to repel the drones, which were believed to be operated by the PLA, Kinmen Defense Command Major General Chang Jung-shun (張榮順) said.

Similar drones were also detected flying over Lienchiang County’s Liang Island (亮島) and Dongyin Island (東引), the army’s Command Headquarters said.

Drones had been spooted near Kinmen’s main island and Beiding islet on Wednesday night, ahead of the Chinese drills.

 

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Taipei Mayor Ko Wen-je: China’s anger at US misdirected at Taiwan

By Lee I-chia / Staff reporter

Taipei Mayor Ko Wen-je speaks to reporters at the Taiwan People’s Party headquarters in Taipei yesterda


China should not direct its anger toward Taiwanese for actions performed by the US during its disputes with Washington, Taipei Mayor Ko Wen-je (柯文哲), who is also chairman of the Taiwan People’s Party (TPP), said yesterday.

Ko made the remark in Taipei at a TPP-organized conference on the Ukraine war’s affect on international and cross-strait relations.

In a speech to open the conference, Ko said that he had not anticipated that Russia would invade Ukraine, nor that the war would last as long as it has, or affect global food and energy supplies so significantly.

The invasion has shown the world that wars can be unpredictable, and that with the rising tensions with China, “today’s Ukraine could be tomorrow’s Taiwan,” he said.

Being in the first island chain, Taiwan has irreplaceable geopolitical importance, and its semiconductor industry has a key role in the global chip supply chain, Ko said, adding that the international community should not let Taiwan become the next Ukraine.

Although many countries are friendly toward Taiwan, the nation must try to solve its own problems, he said.

Ko discussed Taiwan welcoming US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan and the need to strengthen relations with the US, while saying that China reacted “vigorously” to the visit by holding military exercises around Taiwan, banning Taiwanese fruit, fish and other food products to China, and imposing military threats on Taiwanese.

“China keeps saying that Taiwanese are compatriots, but when handling its disputes with the US, it threatens Taiwanese instead, causing significant damage to relations with the nation’s innocent and friendly people, as well as to farmers and fishers,” he said. “We express condemnation and protest against it.”

Ko said he would ask Beijing to not place its anger toward the US on Taiwanese, and would encourage positive exchanges across the strait to generate goodwill and avoid escalation of tensions.

Upon Pelosi’s arrival on Tuesday evening, Ko shared his thoughts on social media regarding Taiwan’s relations with the world.

“Taiwan should retain its subjectivity. We can befriend Japan and the US, but we do not need to become hostile with China. Taiwan can benefit from both sides and not be in a dilemma,” he said.

Some people thought that Ko was expressing an ambiguous stance on Taiwan’s relations with China.

Separately, the TPP held a national convention in Taipei on its third anniversary yesterday, at which an amendment to the party constitution was passed, stating that Ko’s term as chairman is to end on Dec. 31.


 

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Could the US Navy Save Taiwan?​


It seems reasonable to entertain the thought that submarines and the realm of the undersea might be the best way for the U.S. and its allies to stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

Dual-carrier operations, dispersed groups of heavily armed, semi-stealthy attack submarines, F-35B-armed amphibs, surveillance drones, Tomahawk equipped destroyers and a massive, lethal Carrier Air Wing … are US Navy capabilities potentially capable of stopping a Chinese attack on Taiwan, or preventing one from every happening through a visible, robust deterrence posture

A quick look at force structures, basing and geography in the Pacific certainly seem to suggest that U.S. and allied Naval power would of course be crucial to stopping any kind of Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Although much is made of the fact that China now operates a larger Navy than the U.S., there are several key factors to consider.


The first and most obvious is certainly a question of timing and location. U.S. INDOPACIFIC Command operates as many as five aircraft carriers and more than 1,100 sea-launched aircraft. How fast could they respond? Will they be in position in time? This would hinge upon forward operations, overhead surveillance from drones and satellites and things like the U.S. Navy’s operating presence in the region.

The Ronald Reagan Strike Group ship's the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Milius (DDG 69) conduct a photo exercise with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship's the helicopter destroyer JS Kaga (DDH 184), the destroyer JS Inazuma (DD 105) and the destroyer JS Suzutsuki (DD 117) in the South China Sea August 31, 2018. Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS


The Ronald Reagan Strike Group ship's the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Milius (DDG 69) conduct a photo exercise with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship's the helicopter destroyer JS Kaga (DDH 184), the destroyer JS Inazuma (DD 105) and the destroyer JS Suzutsuki (DD 117) in the South China Sea August 31, 2018. Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS
Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS
There is likely a reason why the U.S. Navy and U.S. Pacific Fleet have on several occasions conducted dual-carrier operations in the Pacific theater, as an ability to potentially project dominant air power from closer-in ranges at sea could be decisive. Should an initial incoming salvo of ballistic missiles be blunted or stopped by Taiwanese air defenses, radar radar systems and interceptors such as Patriot missile batteries, then air and sea-launched Air Forces might have time to stop a Chinese amphibious assault, provided carriers were close enough. Speed would be the deciding factor, it seems clear, given that Taiwan is only 100 miles from the Chinese coast. Chinese Naval forces, however, would need to be staged, prepared and assembled prior to any attack, something easily noticeable by U.S. and allied sensors, satellites, surveillance drones and other sources. This might give U.S. and allied forces an opportunity to “race” counterattack forces into position.


Achieving sea-launched air superiority in the air above a Chinese amphibious approach, does seem realistic for the U.S. for a number of reasons, provided of course U.S. and allied carriers, ships and aircraft were close enough to respond in time. China is now known to operate a number of 5th generation J-20 stealth fighters, yet they must launch from land and might be seen in time.

Amphibious assault ship USS America


Amphibious assault ship USS America
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China is also developing a 5th-generation J-31 carrier-launched 5th-generation aircraft variant, yet it may be a long way from being operational in impactful numbers. The U,S. and its allies are likely to have access to a much larger force of 5th-generation fighters, given that U,S. carriers and amphibious assault ships can load up and operate with large numbers of F35s. The USS America, for example, is an amphibious assault ship known for sailing missions with as many as 13 F-35Bs on board. This U.S. advantage is compounded by the fact that China does not appear to have a vertical take-off 5th-generation option, if even a ready ocean-launched 5th-gen fighter.

Therefore, the best hope for a timely response to a Chinese assault would likely come from the ocean, an apparent circumstance likely well known by the Pentagon which has been evolving its Pacific Pivot for many years now and does forward position a large number of assets in the region. However, that still does not mean they are in any way close enough to get to Taiwan in time, unless of course surveillance technology or intelligence was such that the U.S. could pre-position or place Naval assets in proper proximity.


Attack Submarines Could Save Taiwan​

Surface ships are of course visible to an enemy from miles away, most drones and aircraft are also easily detectable and certainly ground-based weapons such as missile launchers and interceptors can largely be seen by satellite. This means any prepositioned assets put in place to deter or stop a Chinese amphibious assault on Taiwan are likely to be seen or known by attacking People's Liberation Army forces. But what about submarines? When considering these variables, it seems reasonable to entertain the thought that submarines and the realm of the undersea might be the best way for the U.S. and its allies to stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

Ship and land-based sensors are now advanced to the point that it will be very difficult to position warships or even operate certain aircraft within striking distance of Taiwan which are not pretty easily seen by Chinese forces. Therefore, China might be inclined to attempt a surprise attack when U.S. carriers and other visible assets are not within range. This, however, is where submarines and undersea drones come in.

Newer quitieing technologies, coupled with the rapid acquisition of undersea drones and improved torpedoes make attacks from the sea more likely to favor success. Should enough attack submarines and sub-launched undersea drones be operating in the vicinity, they would quite possibly be much less detectable and in position to attack and destroy advancing Chinese amphibious forces. Part of this equation is fortified by recent U.S. Navy advances in attack submarine technology are able to not only make them less detectable to sonar and other methods of detection, but also armed with longer-range, more precise weapons systems.


A synthetically guided Tomahawk cruise missile successfully hits a moving maritime target


A synthetically guided Tomahawk cruise missile successfully hits a moving maritime target
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Maritime variant tactical Tomahawks, for example, are able to change course in flight and destroy moving targets, placing them in a position to attack surface ships on the move. The Navy is also developing its Very Lightweight Torpedo weapon which expands attack envelope possibilities. Block II Virginia-class and subsequent model attack submarines are now equipped with newer kinds of underwater antennas or communications devices, engine quieting enhancements and special kinds of coating materials intended to make them less detectable. While details regarding what these look like are unavailable for security reasons, Navy leaders talked about these advances years ago when the USS South Dakota Virginia-class Block III submarine emerged as a prototype. The South Dakota, and other submarines with similar innovations, are now operational. This might be one reason why the concepts for operation for attack submarines have evolved a little to include more undersea surveillance.

Block III Virginias also use “fly-by-wire” automated navigational controls, fiber optic cables and more advanced Large Aperture Bow sonar systems. Attack submarines, and drones they can launch from the torpedo tubes, could likely operate along high-risk island and coastal areas conducting clandestine surveillance missions while being much less detectable than a surface ship or some aerial drones. Furthermore, the U.S. Navy is making rapid progress with a growing fleet of small, mid-sized and very large, submarine sized unmanned undersea drones. These platforms have very long endurance and can dwell, or lurk beneath the sea for weeks tracking enemy surface ships, submarines and mines. In the future, it seems possible some of them could be armed with weapons, providing undersea command and control technology evolves to the point wherein humans can remain fully “in the loop” regarding the use of lethal force. While undersea drones can already find and explode mines “autonomously” while undersea, any actual lethal firing of a torpedo would naturally need to be managed by a human, per Pentagon doctrine.


As for the force itself, this may be one reason why the U.S. and Navy continue to greatly uptick, accelerate and fast-track larger amounts of new submarines. An attack submarine “deficit” concern has been on the radar for many years now, and Congress and the Navy now plan to build as many as 3 Virginia-class attack submarines per year as opposed to two. Are there enough submarines to potential rise to this challenge? Global Firepower says China operates as many as 79 submarines, compared to the U.S.’ 69. This is yet another reason why many in the U.S. continue to call for an even more accelerated pace of submarine acquisition. However, U.S. allies have submarines as well, and should attack submarines be so difficult to find, then having slightly fewer numbers would not impair mission effectiveness to a large degree. Global Firepower lists South Korea as operating 22 submarines and Japan is cited as having 20. These boats, in conjunction with U.S. Navy attack submarines, might indeed be well-positioned to stop the Chinese Navy, given their weapons ability and stealthy characteristics.

 

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Could the US Navy Save Taiwan?​


It seems reasonable to entertain the thought that submarines and the realm of the undersea might be the best way for the U.S. and its allies to stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

Dual-carrier operations, dispersed groups of heavily armed, semi-stealthy attack submarines, F-35B-armed amphibs, surveillance drones, Tomahawk equipped destroyers and a massive, lethal Carrier Air Wing … are US Navy capabilities potentially capable of stopping a Chinese attack on Taiwan, or preventing one from every happening through a visible, robust deterrence posture

A quick look at force structures, basing and geography in the Pacific certainly seem to suggest that U.S. and allied Naval power would of course be crucial to stopping any kind of Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Although much is made of the fact that China now operates a larger Navy than the U.S., there are several key factors to consider.


The first and most obvious is certainly a question of timing and location. U.S. INDOPACIFIC Command operates as many as five aircraft carriers and more than 1,100 sea-launched aircraft. How fast could they respond? Will they be in position in time? This would hinge upon forward operations, overhead surveillance from drones and satellites and things like the U.S. Navy’s operating presence in the region.

The Ronald Reagan Strike Group ship's the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Milius (DDG 69) conduct a photo exercise with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship's the helicopter destroyer JS Kaga (DDH 184), the destroyer JS Inazuma (DD 105) and the destroyer JS Suzutsuki (DD 117) in the South China Sea August 31, 2018. Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS's the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Milius (DDG 69) conduct a photo exercise with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship's the helicopter destroyer JS Kaga (DDH 184), the destroyer JS Inazuma (DD 105) and the destroyer JS Suzutsuki (DD 117) in the South China Sea August 31, 2018. Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS


The Ronald Reagan Strike Group ship's the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam (CG 54) and the guided-missile destroyer USS Milius (DDG 69) conduct a photo exercise with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ship's the helicopter destroyer JS Kaga (DDH 184), the destroyer JS Inazuma (DD 105) and the destroyer JS Suzutsuki (DD 117) in the South China Sea August 31, 2018. Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS
Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Erwin Jacob V. Miciano/U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS
There is likely a reason why the U.S. Navy and U.S. Pacific Fleet have on several occasions conducted dual-carrier operations in the Pacific theater, as an ability to potentially project dominant air power from closer-in ranges at sea could be decisive. Should an initial incoming salvo of ballistic missiles be blunted or stopped by Taiwanese air defenses, radar radar systems and interceptors such as Patriot missile batteries, then air and sea-launched Air Forces might have time to stop a Chinese amphibious assault, provided carriers were close enough. Speed would be the deciding factor, it seems clear, given that Taiwan is only 100 miles from the Chinese coast. Chinese Naval forces, however, would need to be staged, prepared and assembled prior to any attack, something easily noticeable by U.S. and allied sensors, satellites, surveillance drones and other sources. This might give U.S. and allied forces an opportunity to “race” counterattack forces into position.


Achieving sea-launched air superiority in the air above a Chinese amphibious approach, does seem realistic for the U.S. for a number of reasons, provided of course U.S. and allied carriers, ships and aircraft were close enough to respond in time. China is now known to operate a number of 5th generation J-20 stealth fighters, yet they must launch from land and might be seen in time.

Amphibious assault ship USS America


Amphibious assault ship USS America
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China is also developing a 5th-generation J-31 carrier-launched 5th-generation aircraft variant, yet it may be a long way from being operational in impactful numbers. The U,S. and its allies are likely to have access to a much larger force of 5th-generation fighters, given that U,S. carriers and amphibious assault ships can load up and operate with large numbers of F35s. The USS America, for example, is an amphibious assault ship known for sailing missions with as many as 13 F-35Bs on board. This U.S. advantage is compounded by the fact that China does not appear to have a vertical take-off 5th-generation option, if even a ready ocean-launched 5th-gen fighter.

Therefore, the best hope for a timely response to a Chinese assault would likely come from the ocean, an apparent circumstance likely well known by the Pentagon which has been evolving its Pacific Pivot for many years now and does forward position a large number of assets in the region. However, that still does not mean they are in any way close enough to get to Taiwan in time, unless of course surveillance technology or intelligence was such that the U.S. could pre-position or place Naval assets in proper proximity.


Attack Submarines Could Save Taiwan​

Surface ships are of course visible to an enemy from miles away, most drones and aircraft are also easily detectable and certainly ground-based weapons such as missile launchers and interceptors can largely be seen by satellite. This means any prepositioned assets put in place to deter or stop a Chinese amphibious assault on Taiwan are likely to be seen or known by attacking People's Liberation Army forces. But what about submarines? When considering these variables, it seems reasonable to entertain the thought that submarines and the realm of the undersea might be the best way for the U.S. and its allies to stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

Ship and land-based sensors are now advanced to the point that it will be very difficult to position warships or even operate certain aircraft within striking distance of Taiwan which are not pretty easily seen by Chinese forces. Therefore, China might be inclined to attempt a surprise attack when U.S. carriers and other visible assets are not within range. This, however, is where submarines and undersea drones come in.

Newer quitieing technologies, coupled with the rapid acquisition of undersea drones and improved torpedoes make attacks from the sea more likely to favor success. Should enough attack submarines and sub-launched undersea drones be operating in the vicinity, they would quite possibly be much less detectable and in position to attack and destroy advancing Chinese amphibious forces. Part of this equation is fortified by recent U.S. Navy advances in attack submarine technology are able to not only make them less detectable to sonar and other methods of detection, but also armed with longer-range, more precise weapons systems.


A synthetically guided Tomahawk cruise missile successfully hits a moving maritime target


A synthetically guided Tomahawk cruise missile successfully hits a moving maritime target
U.S. Navy
Maritime variant tactical Tomahawks, for example, are able to change course in flight and destroy moving targets, placing them in a position to attack surface ships on the move. The Navy is also developing its Very Lightweight Torpedo weapon which expands attack envelope possibilities. Block II Virginia-class and subsequent model attack submarines are now equipped with newer kinds of underwater antennas or communications devices, engine quieting enhancements and special kinds of coating materials intended to make them less detectable. While details regarding what these look like are unavailable for security reasons, Navy leaders talked about these advances years ago when the USS South Dakota Virginia-class Block III submarine emerged as a prototype. The South Dakota, and other submarines with similar innovations, are now operational. This might be one reason why the concepts for operation for attack submarines have evolved a little to include more undersea surveillance.

Block III Virginias also use “fly-by-wire” automated navigational controls, fiber optic cables and more advanced Large Aperture Bow sonar systems. Attack submarines, and drones they can launch from the torpedo tubes, could likely operate along high-risk island and coastal areas conducting clandestine surveillance missions while being much less detectable than a surface ship or some aerial drones. Furthermore, the U.S. Navy is making rapid progress with a growing fleet of small, mid-sized and very large, submarine sized unmanned undersea drones. These platforms have very long endurance and can dwell, or lurk beneath the sea for weeks tracking enemy surface ships, submarines and mines. In the future, it seems possible some of them could be armed with weapons, providing undersea command and control technology evolves to the point wherein humans can remain fully “in the loop” regarding the use of lethal force. While undersea drones can already find and explode mines “autonomously” while undersea, any actual lethal firing of a torpedo would naturally need to be managed by a human, per Pentagon doctrine.


As for the force itself, this may be one reason why the U.S. and Navy continue to greatly uptick, accelerate and fast-track larger amounts of new submarines. An attack submarine “deficit” concern has been on the radar for many years now, and Congress and the Navy now plan to build as many as 3 Virginia-class attack submarines per year as opposed to two. Are there enough submarines to potential rise to this challenge? Global Firepower says China operates as many as 79 submarines, compared to the U.S.’ 69. This is yet another reason why many in the U.S. continue to call for an even more accelerated pace of submarine acquisition. However, U.S. allies have submarines as well, and should attack submarines be so difficult to find, then having slightly fewer numbers would not impair mission effectiveness to a large degree. Global Firepower lists South Korea as operating 22 submarines and Japan is cited as having 20. These boats, in conjunction with U.S. Navy attack submarines, might indeed be well-positioned to stop the Chinese Navy, given their weapons ability and stealthy characteristics.

Lol, empty talk, it's been 3 days? where are American ships and what have they done?
 

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Lol, empty talk, it's been 3 days? where are American ships and what have they done?
  1. China has not yet launch any kinetic attacks twrds Taiwan, hence the US navy need not to engage any PLAN ships
  2. USS Ronald Reagan CSG is at 800 km from Shanghai at the moment
  3. We would not know if a silent US navy submarine is lurking somewhere beneath the waters near Taiwan.
I play the game cold waters

and I could tell you, whenever I play Taiwan scenario, the Eastern and Southeastern part of the island waters offers the best possible scenario for some anti-shipping action. Its depth is perfect for big but deadly submarines such as nuclear attack submarines.
 

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  1. China has not yet launch any kinetic attacks twrds Taiwan, hence the US navy need not to engage any PLAN ships
  2. USS Ronald Reagan CSG is at 800 km from Shanghai at the moment
  3. We would not know if a silent US navy submarine is lurking somewhere beneath the waters near Taiwan.
I play the game cold waters

and I could tell you, whenever I play Taiwan scenario, the Eastern and Southeastern part of the island waters offers the best possible scenario for some anti-shipping action. Its depth is perfect for big but deadly submarines such as nuclear attack submarines.
Really, you seriously believe US will shed blood for Taiwan? really? Do you think US will also shed blood for Ukraine?

U.S. faces international crises with Russia and China​

Aug 6, 2022 Tensions between the U.S. and both Russia and China ratcheted up this week with the imprisonment of WNBA star Brittney Griner dragging on and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's defiant visit to Taiwan. Steven Portnoy reports.

 

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Taiwan surrounded as Chinese live-fire military drills take place

Aug 6, 2022 More than 100 Chinese warplanes and 10 warships are taking part in live-fire military drills surrounding the island of Taiwan.

 

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Really, you seriously believe US will shed blood for Taiwan? really? Do you think US will also shed blood for Ukraine?
Not necessarily putting boots on the ground in Taiwan, but US ships could wreck havoc on any invasion attempt. Beside, as the article suggest submarine would be the most potent weapons in a Taiwan strait scenario.

if let say Taiwan invasion happened, and MK-48 mod 7 CBSS launched from either Taiwan's or US submarine, PLAN would not been able to be identify the source and brought with dilemmas either to fire shot on the US navy or not.

Both Taiwan and US submarines are equipped with the same torpedo. The question should be, would PLAN shot at US navy ship if such happens ?
 

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Not necessarily putting boots on the ground in Taiwan, but US ships could wreck havoc on any invasion attempt. Beside, as the article suggest submarine would be the most potent weapons in a Taiwan strait scenario.

if let say Taiwan invasion happened, and MK-48 mod 7 CBSS launched from either Taiwan's or US submarine, PLAN would not been able to be identify the source and brought with dilemmas either to fire shot on the US navy or not.

Both Taiwan and US submarines are equipped with the same torpedo. The question should be, would PLAN shot at US navy ship if such happens ?
You might be the only person thinks US would go to war with China over Taiwan. They didn't even intervene when China launch the battle to seize the Paracel Islands from South Vietnam in 1974 , we will see how they fight today's China near to the Chinese coast line. lol..


The next day, Chinese jet fighters and ground-attack aircraft from Hainan bombed the three islands, and were followed up with an amphibious landing force. The South Vietnamese Marine garrison was captured, and the naval force retreated to Đà Nẵng.

While the battle was going on, the Vietnamese fleet detected two Chinese reinforcing warships rushing to the area; China later acknowledged that these were the Hainan-Class submarine chasers #281 and #282. Despite reports that at least one Vietnamese craft had been struck by a missile, China insisted that no missile-bearing ships were involved in the battle. In addition, the South Vietnamese fleet also received warnings from the United States that their naval radar had detected additional Chinese guided missile frigates and MiG jet fighters on their way from nearby Hainan. South Vietnam requested assistance from the US Seventh Fleet, but the request was rejected.
 

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You might be the only person thinks US would go to war with China over Taiwan. They didn't even intervene when China launch the battle to seize the Paracel Islands from South Vietnam in 1974 , we will see how they fight today's China near to the Chinese coast line. lol..
Taiwan could not be compared to Paracel islands both in matters of size and importance.
 

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