China China's 6th gen fighter has made its maiden flight

[selim]

China invasion of Taiwan will be world's first true robot war.
No "Saving private ryan"-type of Soldiers geting killed on some beaches.
It will be a robot invasion, then the humans.

 

[Nilgiri]

It maybe the rumored JH-26 supersonic stealth fighter-bomber. Not PLAAF's actual 6th fen fighter. Like FB-22 strike Raptor concept. But superior.

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Or it may actually be their manned component of 6th gen family of system. Who knows! Nevertheless very impressive.

@Sanchez @Kartal1 @TR_123456 @Nilgiri @dBSPL @Anmdt et al.

And @Nilgiri bro today is Mao Zedong's birthday and this is the gift. It's time for you praise CCP for once.

The issue for PRC is its way behind in AI development (if one looks into the current IP flow and investment rates of where they ought to be) and AI will be critical for 6th gen....and will remain so as the CCP is distrustful of LLM scaling and so on.

So the early hardware is largely posturing propaganda related at this point. They still haven't moved to fix the hukou problem for their economy for the long run either (instead the downstream Xi approach to clamp down on new economy + try prop up real estate bulk).

So this seems to be the baked in status quo now, a forex max of 4 trillion USD was achieved 10+ years ago and its held where it is rather than ramping like before (and now its around 3 trillion)....and no signs of even their "debt partners" (forget mature markets) credibly switching to the Yuan after all the earlier fanfare....I mean CCP should lead by example but they dont (i.e the actual likelihood to deleverage to 2 trillion and 1 trillion USD is close to 0 now). It shows up in the market cap/GDP (putting asise whatever the actual GDP is ) ratio too, this is rock and hard place for CCP.

This is large part of what constrains the path forward for China. Basically they are close to their LRAS long run max with what CCP has baked in, there's no export ramp anymore like before, and they are still heavily reliant on US Fed monetary policy which is under control of their main adversary.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Well, that's just the way it is when not only the technological but also the political will is there.
There will certainly be some headaches and alarm bells ringing in the USA, but at the same time we don't know how far NGAD is.
It may be that they are at a similar stage, or even further.

But in my opinion, two things will soon be achieved.
It could well happen that they now export Chengdu J-20s and J-35s more actively in the next 2-3 years.
This could mean a fundamental shift in power in some regions of the world, particularly in some critical countries in South East Asia and the Middle East and North Africa.
It could well be that the US is no longer forced to sell the F-35 so restrictively (only NATO and close allies) but would be forced to relax it massively.
For China it is a win to win situation as they would be more willing to transfer technology for the GEN 5 aircraft, the USA would be under great pressure to make a move if they offer something to country XY.

 

[Afif]

So the early hardware is largely posturing propaganda related at this point.

Still very impressive. There aren't many hardware like this flying around today.

 

[Gessler]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1872270849119772792

 

[500]

China lags far behind the US in engines. So 3 Chinese engines are equal to 2 US engines in thrust.

This thing is heavy stealth interceptor not some "6th generation" fighter.

 

[Afif]

China lags far behind the US in engines. So 3 Chinese engines are equal to 2 US engines in thrust.

No. They have engines with similar dry and military thrust level. (what they lack is durability. service life of new engines is half of that of their US counterparts.)

This is visibly larger than J20 and said to have 50+ tonnes MTOW. If even if it was using F119 it’s gonna need three of them to achieve high performance.

And yes, it is their next generation tactical fighter platform.

 

[500]

No. They have engines with similar dry and military thrust level. (what they lack is durability. service life of new engines is half of that of their US counterparts.)

This is visibly larger than J20 and said to have 50+ tonnes MTOW. If even if it was using F119 it’s gonna need three of them to achieve high performance.

And yes, it is their next generation tactical fighter platform.

WS-10C has thrust 14.5 t, F-135 - 18.6 t.

 

[Zoth]

WS-10C has thrust 14.5 t, F-135 - 18.6 t.

Good, now compare the WS15

 

[blackjack]

they quit 5 years ago from using AL-31s to power their J-20s before, to just make a stealth variation from that same design with the same thrust afterburner thrust performance of 32000lbs now being used on their 6th gens.

Chinese aviation fans are looking at a 2030+ timeframe for production. To make users here laugh the Chinese aviation fans are far more optimistic than Turkish aviation fans estimating a timeframe for the KAAN to have domestic engines.

 

[Zoth]

Chinese aviation fans are looking at a 2030+ timeframe for production. To make users here laugh the Chinese aviation fans are far more optimistic than Turkish aviation fans estimating a timeframe for the KAAN to have domestic engines.

Chinese has already built 2 5th gen fighter jets and their WS15/WS20 jet engines are ready and already in mass production, they already built hundreds of aircrafts prior to their 5th gen fighters.
China's industrial capacity is gigantic, of course Chinese fans are going to be more optimistic.

We as Turkey head bumped into 5th gen program directly without actual prior experience before, so yes, being conservative in terms of timeframe is totally normal for us.

And to be totally honest, if we manage to finish/release 5th gen Kaan in the said timeframe, this is going to be a huge success for us since it's first time.

And a little information about WS10C, those are supposed to be a stop gap until WS-15 becomes fully operational, since we already know the state of WS-15 engines, expect those airframes above to get WS-15 variants moving forward.

 

[Afif]

WS-10C has thrust 14.5 t, F-135 - 18.6 t.

WS-15 is already flying with J20. This also said to feature WS-15.

F135 is not comparable here. It's meant for single engine platform. F119 and WS15 are comparable.