China China's meritocracy: Selection and election of officials

[McCool]

How do you know they are not capable?

How about you read about Institutional memory. There's a reason why the PLA , successful in its war against the KMT are unable to win against the Vietnamese 30 years later.

Hence your usual escape of "we can win (actually stalemate with enormous cost of lives) in Korea , surely we can win now" are suddenly sounding dumb.

+ it debunk the whole idea of meritocracy in China's social and military elite.

Liu Yuan is a very capable one, graduated from China's top university, He was the prime mover for the crackdown on corruption in PLA.

Yes, your general graduated from TOP UNIVERSITY wowwwww, meanwhile your US opponent has this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal

after leading from the front, he lectures in Universities. There's a diffeence

 

[xizhimen]

You could only cower behind Vietnam and Afghanistan, a war that not even in a single battle lost by the US.

good luck PLA soldier

China is never afraid of US, don't forget China fought US the very next year after PRC was established , US fears China, after Korean war, US had never dare to take on China directly, even in 1974 Paracel Islands battle, US seventh fleet was just nearby but didn't dare to offer a helping hand to its ally south Vietnamese navy.

 

[xizhimen]

How about you read about Institutional memory. There's a reason why the PLA , successful in its war against the KMT are unable to win against the Vietnamese 30 years later.

Hence your usual escape of "we can win (actually stalemate with enormous cost of lives) in Korea , surely we can win now" are suddenly sounding dumb.

+ it debunk the whole idea of meritocracy in China's social and military elite.



Yes, your general graduated from TOP UNIVERSITY wowwwww, meanwhile your US opponent has this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal

after leading from the front, he lectures in Universities. There's a diffeence

I have no interest to read their resumes, do they dare to take on China? simply question.

 

[McCool]

I have no interest to read their resumes, do they dare to take on China? simply question.

Oh you should, your "Major General" will be against his likes, and he will issue you orders.

 

[xizhimen]

How about you read about Institutional memory. There's a reason why the PLA , successful in its war against the KMT are unable to win against the Vietnamese 30 years later.

Come on , from Feb.17- March. 10, 1979. that was a 3 weeks border conflicts, not even a war. what US fought in Vietnam was a war, did US win?

 

[xizhimen]

Oh you should, your "Major General" will be against his likes, and he will issue you orders.

Trolling is easy, but you can't fight for US generals , can you?

 

[McCool]

Come on , from Feb.17- March. 10, 1979. that was a 3 weeks border conflicts, not even a war. what US fought in Vietnam was a war, did US win?

The US retreated after losing congressional support for war, while China cease combat operation after getting bloody nose by the Vietnamese. There's a difference

maybe bro @Viva_vietnamm would like to contribute.

Trolling is easy, but you can't fight for US generals , can you?

No, but I can watch how they educate you "major generals' by combat from TV

 

[xizhimen]

Will these US general fight Russia in Ukraine? IF they don't even have the guts to fight in Ukraine, they can forget about China.

 

[xizhimen]

The US retreated after losing congressional support for war, while China cease combat operation after getting bloody nose by the Vietnamese. There's a difference

Where did you learn that? After China took over Lạng Sơn， the last natural barrier before the Vietnamese capital Hanoi, nothing stands between the Chinese troops and the capital Hanoi, city. China withdrew cause China never intended to occupy Vietnam, China's major delopyment was along the border with USSR, over one million strong, the attack on Vietnam was just a signal to USSR to tell USSR that it can't protect its ally.

 

[xizhimen]

North Korea now repeatedly fires nuclear capable missiles, US used this excuse to invade Iraq, it's a lie, Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons, North Korea indeed has nuclear weapons and missiles to carry them, does US have the guts to attack North Korea?

US is just a pathetic bully, can only bully small countries with no allies, in case of North Korea , it's a treaty bound ally of China, US can only cry rivers.

 

[McCool]

Where did you learn that? After China took over Lạng Sơn， the last natural barrier before the Vietnamese capital Hanoi, nothing stands between the Chinese troops and the capital Hanoi, city. China withdrew cause China never intended to occupy Vietnam, China's major delopyment was along the border with USSR, over one million strong, the attack on Vietnam was just a signal to USSR to tell USSR that it can't protect its ally.

says you, this is what PLA's assessment look like.

As Jiefangjun Bao observed much later: "War is the mirror of training. The war of self-defensive counterattack against Vietnam in 1979—this small mirror—reflected the state of PLA's training . ... A generation of military men ... had been wallowing [in] the PLA's glorious history: We are backward, our weapons and equipment are backward, and ... even more frightening ... our military thinking and training ideas are backward!" [5]

https://www.eastview.com/resources/gpa/jiefangjun-bao/
Jiefangjun Bao (解放军报, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Daily) is the official newspaper of the People’s Republic of China’s Central Military Commission. The publication was established on January 1, 1956 and acts as the authoritative media of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army to release military news and comprehensive military-related information

See the bolded part?

That's institutional memory for you and why you lost so badly in Vietnam. Since the Vietnam war you have not engages in combat and that will affect on the institutional memory of your military.

and oh that TOP CHINA UNIVERSITY that your general enrolled ? https://jamestown.org/programs/chinabrief/single/?tx_ttnews

In early 1999, the PLA leadership came to the realization that its military education system was ill-prepared to groom officers with the technical expertise necessary to master the demands of high-technology warfare. The existing military academy structure, styled after the old Soviet system, maintained more than 100 academiesmany redundantand kept nearly a quarter of the PLAs force structure tied up in military schools. Moreover, the sheer size of the PLA military-academic complex prevented the capital upgrades in computers and other equipment necessary for systematically training cadets to address looming technological challenges.

Yeah your general comes from that particular school

 

[xizhimen]

says you, this is what PLA's assessment look like.

As Jiefangjun Bao observed much later: "War is the mirror of training. The war of self-defensive counterattack against Vietnam in 1979—this small mirror—reflected the state of PLA's training . ... A generation of military men ... had been wallowing [in] the PLA's glorious history: We are backward, our weapons and equipment are backward, and ... even more frightening ... our military thinking and training ideas are backward!" [5]

https://www.eastview.com/resources/gpa/jiefangjun-bao/
Jiefangjun Bao (解放军报, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Daily) is the official newspaper of the People’s Republic of China’s Central Military Commission. The publication was established on January 1, 1956 and acts as the authoritative media of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army to release military news and comprehensive military-related information

See the bolded part?

That's institutional memory for you and why you lost so badly in Vietnam. Since the Vietnam war you have not engages in combat and that will affect on the institutional memory of your military.

and oh that TOP CHINA UNIVERSITY that your general enrolled ?



Yeah your general comes from that particular school

We never denied that our weapons were bad then, even in Korean war, our weapon were bad comparing to US, but where did it said we lost? it only lasted for 3 weeks and we never intended to occupy, it's just a signal, what do we occupy Vietnam for?

 

[xizhimen]

Your logic is so funny, US pulled out of Vietnam because US didnt' want to fight anymore, while China pulled out because China was defeated. lol.. it's a 3 weeks border conflict, not even can be called a war. the only one who indeed lost a war there is US. even US admits it, why you America cheerleaders always try to deny?

The funniest thing ever is US cheerleaders try to defend US more than Americans themselves. Ask any American and see how many think they won the Vietnma war.

 

[xizhimen]

This guy. Liu yuan is a legend. A well told story is that one day he went to a PLA high level meeting, several generals were Liu's superiors, right after Liu entered the room, he pointed his finger at everyone in the room and said, you are all corrupted, everyone of you. Don't take for granted that no one dares to touch you, as long as I m alive, I will bring you down!
Now everyone of them is in jail and PLA is corruption free.

 

[McCool]

We never denied that our weapons were bad then,

Its not about the weapons but the men. And PLA's men are shit according to their own newspaper

This guy. Liu yuan is a legend. A well told story is that one day he went to a PLA high level meeting, several generals were Liu's superiors, right after Liu entered the room, he pointed his finger at everyone in the room and said, you are all corrupted, everyone of you. Don't take for granted that no one dares to touch you, as long as I m alive, I will bring you down!
Now everyone of them is in jail and PLA is corruption free.

That's bullshit, and doesn't make sense. Its like he's cursing the very system that allows him to rise up the ranks in the first place.

 

[xizhimen]

Its not about the weapons but the men. And PLA's men are shit according to their own newspaper

They train everyday, China has the best training facilities and sufficient funds to have daily drills and exercises, 仗可以十年不打，兵不可以一日不练 is PLA 's principle, you can use youtube to see how hard they train under different terrains and conditions. Most countries don't have this luxury. Chinese PLA delegates also tops the world military Games in total medals and gold medals.
They are shit or not, who dares to try them?

 

[xizhimen]

That's bullshit, and doesn't make sense. Its like he's cursing the very system that allows him to rise up the ranks in the first place.

But this is the fact, China's crack down on corruption in PLA lasted for several years, now PLA is a highly professional formidable force according to US and other foreign researches and studies. US conducts mock wars with China every year and they lost every one of them till now.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

The US retreated after losing congressional support for war, while China cease combat operation after getting bloody nose by the Vietnamese. There's a difference

maybe bro @Viva_vietnamm would like to contribute.


No, but I can watch how they educate you "major generals' by combat from TV

Actually both US and CN saw that its hopeless to keep fighting against VN, so they withdrawn finally..

 

[xizhimen]

Actually both US and CN saw that its hopeless to keep fighting against VN, so they withdrawn finally..

China never intends to have a long term occupation , but US did.

 

[Viva_vietnamm]

You could only cower behind Vietnam and Afghanistan, a war that not even in a single battle lost by the US.

OTOH this is what your troops (and maybe you, once drafted) will have to rely on once combat commence.

don't tell me he's the only one, PLAN Admiral Wu Shengli are one of those princelings.

so does General Liu Yuan political commissar of the General Logistics Department.

good luck PLA soldier

US lost in Linebacker II operation when trying to bombard VN with B-52 covered by the best jamming machines, F4, F111 and had to withdrawn from VN after the loss in 1972.


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Linebacker II, the United States air operation against North Vietnam during December 1972, remains a controversial operation. The campaign succeeded in forcing North Vietnam back to the negotiating table before the US Congress could convene to force a unilateral US withdrawal. However, the price was high. The USAF Strategic Air Command (SAC) made some serious mistakes, suffered serious losses and their campaign came close to failure, yet after the war they launched a massive media and public relations blitz (and internal witch hunt) to prove that Linebacker II was an unqualified success that unfolded as planned.

The North Vietnamese, glorying in their unprecedented destruction of USAF B-52 bombers, hailed Linebacker II as the “Dien Bien Phu of the Air”-despite their heavy losses to the bombers. Incredibly, the most-objective observers and commentators of Linebacker II may be the Soviet advisers attached to the North Vietnamese air defense forces. They recorded their observations in official after-action reports which remained classified and inaccessible until recently. They provide a professional assessment of both belligerents during Linebacker II.

Patterns and Predictability: The Soviet Evaluation of Operation Linebacker II

(2007). Patterns and Predictability: The Soviet Evaluation of Operation Linebacker II. The Journal of Slavic Military Studies: Vol. 20, No. 4, pp. 559-607.

www.tandfonline.com