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What annoys me about that and the sales and agreements with the UAE, is that just yesterday they were plotting with Egypt, Bahrain, France, Greece, Cyprus and Israel against us, not to mention the Kashoggi murder was an attempt to defame Türkiye and now it's all hunky dory.
All that aside, if I knew they weren't going to slap a sticker on it and claim them as their own product, I wouldn't be as mad.
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What annoys me about that and the sales and agreements with the UAE, is that just yesterday they were plotting with Egypt, Bahrain, France, Greece, Cyprus and Israel against us, not to mention the Kashoggi murder was an attempt to defame Türkiye and now it's all hunky dory.
All that aside, if I knew they weren't going to slap a sticker on it and claim them as their own product, I wouldn't be as mad.
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KSA and UAE are obviously hostile countries to Turkey they financed all anti-turks propaganda they aligned with hostile countries to Turkey they ambargued turkish goodies and series so why transfer technology easily to such hostile countries? There is no enemy for Turkey without an alliance with those two countries. They gave China a lot of money on ucv ToT and did not get anything. They tried with South Korea and did not get shit . No one hands over sensitive technologies to anyone, let alone to enemy countries.
 

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Kaplan/harimau assembly line at PT.PINDAD
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Looks like all of those cockerill turrets already installed with APS sensor, Turkish made Nero Industry LW2000+ LWR.
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Kaplan/harimau assembly line at PT.PINDAD
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Looks like all of those cockerill turrets already installed with APS sensor, Turkish made Nero Industry LW2000+ LWR.
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Thats not APS , thats just laser to inform you for the incoming missile .
APS system have Radars and lunchers to intercept the missile berofe reaching the tank it work just like mini air defence but on tank .
 

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KSA and UAE are obviously hostile countries to Turkey they financed all anti-turks propaganda they aligned with hostile countries to Turkey they ambargued turkish goodies and series so why transfer technology easily to such hostile countries? There is no enemy for Turkey without an alliance with those two countries. They gave China a lot of money on ucv ToT and did not get anything. They tried with South Korea and did not get shit . No one hands over sensitive technologies to anyone, let alone to enemy countries.
This is where pragmatism come into the question . If they would be getting such tech regardless the source why don't make that problem into the controlled or a manageable conundrums ?? While getting paid in cash and future plan of your's bankrolled nonetheless ...
Take a big picture , and you'll see a much broader horizon bruh ..
When even your so called " allies ".. are backstabing you . you have to think a litle bit smarter and be a bit more of opportunistic... Always step ahead to think the unthinkable ...


Get some ☕☕ bruh .. 👍👍
 
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Kaplan/harimau assembly line at PT.PINDAD
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Looks like all of those cockerill turrets already installed with APS sensor, Turkish made Nero Industry LW2000+ LWR.
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We need to investigate this little more, they seem to be specialized on certain products. They are either doing a great R&D individually or re-packaging US origin high tech equipment (sensors, control units etc.) into a chasis and providing integration to the platforms.
 

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We need to investigate this little more, they seem to be specialized on certain products. They are either doing a great R&D individually or re-packaging US origin high tech equipment (sensors, control units etc.) into a chasis and providing integration to the platforms.
I get the horrible feeling that it's the latter.

I just hope I'm wrong.


The website is well structured, so I guess the chances of you being right is 99%

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I get the horrible feeling that it's the latter.

I just hope I'm wrong.


The website is well structured, so I guess the chances of you being right is 99%

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Looks like they are geniunely focusing on fire dedection - suppression systems and adapted this for laser warning system and smoke granade launchers. It is possible that they are outsourcing core sensors and controllers from US, doing the rest of production and development within TR. It is a Turkish Company, the information in the website might ve false or representing the scheme for the website management.
 

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KSA and UAE are obviously hostile countries to Turkey they financed all anti-turks propaganda they aligned with hostile countries to Turkey they ambargued turkish goodies and series so why transfer technology easily to such hostile countries? There is no enemy for Turkey without an alliance with those two countries. They gave China a lot of money on ucv ToT and did not get anything. They tried with South Korea and did not get shit . No one hands over sensitive technologies to anyone, let alone to enemy countries.
I don't get the logic of this.When there are rumours of turkey selling drones or defense products to European countries,a lot of turk are estatic in this forum.
Yet there are many european countries includung US are totally hostile toward turkiye till now and even support and finance pkk.Even their media are supportting pkk and allowing pkk mrmbers operating in their countries and turk are happy selling weapons to them but not gulf arab countries.
So where is the logic of this....
 

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I don't get the logic of this.When there are rumours of turkey selling drones or defense products to European countries,a lot of turk are estatic in this forum.
Yet there are many european countries includung US are totally hostile toward turkiye till now and even support and finance pkk.Even their media are supportting pkk and allowing pkk mrmbers operating in their countries and turk are happy selling weapons to them but not gulf arab countries.
So where is the logic of this....
You can sell them but not giving them ToT, and an apparent enemy is better than a hidden enemy.The first one you can face hem, but the second one betrays you because you look at them as friends.
 

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You can sell them but not giving them ToT, and an apparent enemy is better than a hidden enemy.The first one you can face hem, but the second one betrays you because you look at them as friends.

I agree, in addition to that, not every countries in Europe supports the PKK, Poland and Romania for example don’t support them.
 

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You can sell them but not giving them ToT, and an apparent enemy is better than a hidden enemy.The first one you can face hem, but the second one betrays you because you look at them as friends.

Also. these UAVs can never be used against Turkiye as Baykar has confirmed that they have software control over all UAVs produced.
 

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You can sell them but not giving them ToT, and an apparent enemy is better than a hidden enemy.The first one you can face hem, but the second one betrays you because you look at them as friends.
Yet you are happy to sell your weapons to your apparent enemy who is smarter and can likely reverse engineer your weapons.
 

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pragmatism
Pragmatism don't means to hand over your effort of years to a hostile countries but you can sell them to make money 💵
Take a big picture
If you look at big picture you'll see that KSA is a hostile countrie and will remain so have to move toward them accordingly
When even your so called " allies ".. are backstabing
You know why?!!!....bcs they seem Turkey as a potential enemy or rival, you should not strengthen your potential enemy or competitor. Turkey have to move like that.
 

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Also. these UAVs can never be used against Turkiye as Baykar has confirmed that they have software control over all UAVs produced.
But you will not have guarantee that they will not leak your technology to a hostile countrie, as they politic is versatile.
 

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Poland, Baltic countries and Romania tend to be pretty cool.

We also have Hungary but im worried Orban wont be in Hungary for long.

Spain, Portugal and Italy seems to be mutual. While with the UK we seem to be eye to eye but still wont trust them

France, Germany, Greece, Nordic countries and the Czech republic are a big problem.

Relations with Bulgaria who cares.

Serbs are a headache. Good relations with Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo.

Croatia is mutual.

Not all of Europe is hostile for a few countries. But I would keep them at an arms length.

Europeans have always been an enemy to the Turkic peoples.

Only reason they havent wiped us out because our ancestors were warriors who took the fight to them.

If given a chance the Europeans would have dealt with us just like what happened to the Native Americans and the Native Australians.

I live in Australia I can barely see any Native Australians. In the official statistics they dont even cross 1 million.

Now go figure why their numbers are so small.
 

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Yet you are happy to sell your weapons to your apparent enemy who is smarter and can likely reverse engineer your weapons.
Yes, seemingly Turkey is happy closing deals.
Contrary to common belief, some certain small and rich countries of the region do not tend to align themselves into a political rigid pact. They are very fluid and simply go between actors as they see fit.
Their most powerful weapon is their enormously huge financial funds which enables them to create political and military partnerships by luring in various actors huge lump sum arms deals. So, in this regard, they are making Turkey come closer to them until the latter don’t fulfill their needs.

Are they securing a Turkish power (military and political) with arms deals and/or gaining some technological foundation to frog leap into bigger projects of their own?
I personally would not say a solid yes but as I’ve said before, Turkey should be very sensitive on the nature and amount of ToT and must maintain the control of the technologiCal aspect of any deals.

My two cents.
 

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I don't get the logic of this.When there are rumours of turkey selling drones or defense products to European countries,a lot of turk are estatic in this forum.
Yet there are many european countries includung US are totally hostile toward turkiye till now and even support and finance pkk.Even their media are supportting pkk and allowing pkk mrmbers operating in their countries and turk are happy selling weapons to them but not gulf arab countries.
So where is the logic of this....

Many members simps the west to the point where they forget who they are

+ the racial tendency towards Islamic countries in general like the KAAN Pakistan discussion .


I will be happy if one day Turkey exported any product to EU not for the reason above , just to see how table turns around and EU buy arms from Turkey after history of hostility .

I am waiting for Germany to be humiliated by Turkey . I fucken hate them .
 

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