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What do they exactly mean when they said they want "malaysia to participate in the production"?

Possibly shared production of units being built for Turkish Air force and or other countries Hurjet gets exported to. Basically, fast tracking Malaysia as a partner country to Hurjet.

Malaysian LCA Tender requirements:
  • 8 aircraft advanced jet trainer
  • 10 aircraft combat aircraft with nose radar and BVR
  • Supersonic speed
  • BVR capability
  • %30 local production
  • Cost: 4 billion RM- 2 billion RM will ve paid via oil product trade
  • Schedule: 35 months after the contract

Contenders:
  • Russia Mig-35: Expensive chioce, costly maintenance. Malaysia had cancelled the similar tender in 2018 due to lack of funds.
  • India LCA: Rumoured that Mk1 has a unit cost around 60 million $. Indian and Russian solutions met the Malaysian requirements but both are expensive solutions. Since Malaysia wants to pay the half of the money via oil trade, The costs become more important in this tender.
  • Turkey Hürjet: Hürjet met all requirements of Malaysian LCA tender on paper (supersonic speeds, BVR, nose radar, combat missions, trainer aircraft) but the aircraft is in prototype production phase so TAI wants Malaysia to participate the production. In fact Signature+36 months: end of 2025 and This date matchs with Hurjet development schedule and so I believe Hürjet is the strongest candidate in this tender
  • China L15: This aircraft is supersonic. Armed variant is for combat missions and this aircraft is using AI-222 turbofan. The US could put pressure on Ukraine and hinder the sale of engines as they did in past and this may frighten the customer but aircraft is a strong candidate in Malaysian tender.
  • Korea F50: This aircraft among all is very strong candidate but F50 has neither nose radar nor the ability to launch a BVR missile. Korea is selling the T50 as a combat variant for air-ground missions.
  • Italy M346: this aircraft can barely reach supersonic speeds and was not developed for the BVR mission. It may be an excellent jet trainer, but it remains a simple competitor in the armed version, considering Malaysian demands.

I don't get the summary written for Korean jet trainer, since the armed and non-armed variants are practically the same... The only thing missing is the aerial fuelling, which Hurjet is designed from the start to have.
 
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Malaysian LCA Tender requirements:
  • 8 aircraft advanced jet trainer
  • 10 aircraft combat aircraft with nose radar and BVR
  • Supersonic speed
  • BVR capability
  • %30 local production
  • Cost: 4 billion RM- 2 billion RM will ve paid via oil product trade
  • Schedule: 35 months after the contract

Contenders:
  • Russia Mig-35: Expensive chioce, costly maintenance. Malaysia had cancelled the similar tender in 2018 due to lack of funds.
  • India LCA: Rumoured that Mk1 has a unit cost around 60 million $. Indian and Russian solutions met the Malaysian requirements but both are expensive solutions. Since Malaysia wants to pay the half of the money via oil trade, The costs become more important in this tender.
  • Turkey Hürjet: Hürjet met all requirements of Malaysian LCA tender on paper (supersonic speeds, BVR, nose radar, combat missions, trainer aircraft) but the aircraft is in prototype production phase so TAI wants Malaysia to participate the production. In fact Signature+36 months: end of 2025 and This date matchs with Hurjet development schedule and so I believe Hürjet is the strongest candidate in this tender
  • China L15: This aircraft is supersonic. Armed variant is for combat missions and this aircraft is using AI-222 turbofan. The US could put pressure on Ukraine and hinder the sale of engines as they did in past and this may frighten the customer but aircraft is a strong candidate in Malaysian tender.
  • Korea F50: This aircraft among all is very strong candidate but F50 has neither nose radar nor the ability to launch a BVR missile. Korea is selling the T50 as a combat variant for air-ground missions.
  • Italy M346: this aircraft can barely reach supersonic speeds and was not developed for the BVR mission. It may be an excellent jet trainer, but it remains a simple competitor in the armed version, considering Malaysian demands.
It will take the 2030s for Hürjet to attain the features you mentioned.
 

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dunno if this is already posted here.

Indonesian 90M OPV will use Havelsan solution for its CMS paired with radar and other electronic equipment from Thales

Havelsan teams up with Thales on Indonesia's 90 m OPV programme​

by Ridzwan Rahmat




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A computer-generated imagery of Indonesia's 90 m OPVs that are being built by PT Daya Radar Utama. (PT Daya Radar Utama)

Turkish defence systems company Havelsan is working with Thales Nederland to equip Indonesia's new class of two 90 m offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) with its combat sensors.

Backed by documentary evidence, an industry source has informed Janes that while Havelsan has received the primary contract to equip these vessels with its Advent combat management system (CMS) and associated sensors, it is subcontracting the hardware component to Thales. However, the final configuration for the combat sensors is yet to be decided.

The OPVs will be the first Indonesian Navy vessels to be equipped with a Turkish CMS.

As first reported by Janes in 2019, Indonesia has conceived the need for a new class of OPVs to fulfil operational gaps that exist between the service's patrol boats and its larger surface combatants.

A contract for two vessels in the new class was eventually awarded to privately owned Indonesian shipbuilder PT Daya Radar Utama, and a first steel-cutting for both ships was held in August 2021 at the company's shipyard in Lampung, Surabaya.

Each vessel will displace 1,800 tonnes at standard load, and 2,100 tonnes at full load. It will have a top speed of 28 kt, an economical speed of 15 kt, and a cruising speed of 20 kt. It can operate at up to Sea State 5 and survive up to Sea State 6.

Schematic diagrams provided to Janes

 
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Malaysian LCA Tender requirements:
  • 8 aircraft advanced jet trainer
  • 10 aircraft combat aircraft with nose radar and BVR
  • Supersonic speed
  • BVR capability
  • %30 local production
  • Cost: 4 billion RM- 2 billion RM will ve paid via oil product trade
  • Schedule: 35 months after the contract

Contenders:
  • Russia Mig-35: Expensive chioce, costly maintenance. Malaysia had cancelled the similar tender in 2018 due to lack of funds.
  • India LCA: Rumoured that Mk1 has a unit cost around 60 million $. Indian and Russian solutions met the Malaysian requirements but both are expensive solutions. Since Malaysia wants to pay the half of the money via oil trade, The costs become more important in this tender.
  • Turkey Hürjet: Hürjet met all requirements of Malaysian LCA tender on paper (supersonic speeds, BVR, nose radar, combat missions, trainer aircraft) but the aircraft is in prototype production phase so TAI wants Malaysia to participate the production. In fact Signature+36 months: end of 2025 and This date matchs with Hurjet development schedule and so I believe Hürjet is the strongest candidate in this tender
  • China L15: This aircraft is supersonic. Armed variant is for combat missions and this aircraft is using AI-222 turbofan. The US could put pressure on Ukraine and hinder the sale of engines as they did in past and this may frighten the customer but aircraft is a strong candidate in Malaysian tender.
  • Korea F50: This aircraft among all is very strong candidate but F50 has neither nose radar nor the ability to launch a BVR missile. Korea is selling the T50 as a combat variant for air-ground missions.
  • Italy M346: this aircraft can barely reach supersonic speeds and was not developed for the BVR mission. It may be an excellent jet trainer, but it remains a simple competitor in the armed version, considering Malaysian demands.

Seems the unit price is in the 40'ies million. Doesn't that make the Indian offer more realistic/attractive ?

If the mentioned discount from China is true then it's price is going to be insanely low. If PAF can launch Turkish BVR from JF17 then it'd be that much more attractive for RMAF to get the JF17.
 

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Seems the unit price is in the 40'ies million. Doesn't that make the Indian offer more realistic/attractive ?

If the mentioned discount from China is true then it's price is going to be insanely low. If PAF can launch Turkish BVR from JF17 then it'd be that much more attractive for RMAF to get the JF17.
The engine is not attractive for the RMAF. Not to mention JF-17 is Chinese.
 

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This is from an a known defense journalist famous for defense leaks from two months ago.


Could you share where does TAIS said that they're close into signing the deal ? Thanks
It was reported in TAIS' Saha Expo stand, The LPC should be around 68 meters in LOA (i am not sure).

But it also doesn't add up to something else i know,and the fact the platform is very similar to the KCR60 the TAIS personnel could have had limited information or didn't want to spill the beans.
 
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Is the news about qatar procuring hisar real? I didnt know it was gonna be exportable.
 

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Any news on the Atak helicopter to Philippines ? Delivery on time is also an important factor if we want to be able to export our products.
 

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Any news on the Atak helicopter to Philippines ? Delivery on time is also an important factor if we want to be able to export our products.
They were due to be delivered in September. But were delayed.
If below news is correct, Philippines are not very happy for the delay. But the first two Atak helicopters are to be delivered next month now.

 

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They were due to be delivered in September. But were delayed.
If below news is correct, Philippines are not very happy for the delay. But the first two Atak helicopters are to be delivered next month now.

I can understand that. Our own officials just verbally said they had gotten export permit. Our officials still don't understand that a piece of paper with approval is worth more than verbal approval.

I don't remember any of our official saying we got documents confirming export permit.
 

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I can understand that. Our own officials just verbally said they had gotten export permit. Our officials still don't understand that a piece of paper with approval is worth more than verbal approval.

I don't remember any of our official saying we got documents confirming export permit.

I don't think any official would say 'we got documents confirming export permit' thats a bit far-fetched thing to expect imo.

In the interview with CNN Turk, there was a mention of T-129 being exported to Pakistan - Kotil was quick to deny, looks like T-129 export to Pakistan is no more. So, at least that chapter is over.

 
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They were due to be delivered in September. But were delayed.
If below news is correct, Philippines are not very happy for the delay. But the first two Atak helicopters are to be delivered next month now.

Has it got delayed because of the export permit or the pilots arrived late and didn't meet the schedule of the other pilot's training?
+ Orientation needed for a different platform. I won't think this could be solely about the TAI but also Philippines. We would definitely hear more voices if it was directly about TAI.
 

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