TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Saithan]

yes, but having OPV is better than not having any.

 

[Strong AI]

I do think Ada for Malaysian Navy is a great pick, probably even better than Hisar Class OPV for us.

yes, but having OPV is better than not having any.

@Anmdt

Isn't Hisar actually better than Ada because e.g. in war time it can be equipped with better systems than Ada?

 

[Saithan]

I honestly don't know how long it'll take to fit it with the weapons and sensors. I am hoping it will have more than just the 76mm right from the start, either short range air defence stuff or other things.

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt

Isn't Hisar actually better than Ada because e.g. in war time it can be equipped with better systems than Ada?

Imo Malaysian LMS is nearly on par with ADKG (OPV). Both seem to run by diesel only propulsion, ADKG has twin fire control radar (yes the lowest block, but can be upgraded with AKREP if seems necessary).
LMS has a better radar, and SAM on top of ADKG.
Ada Class is superior to both, made for war time, runs on gas turbine ( better acceleration, higher speed profile, stronger hull, high sea state operations). And Ada class can be upgraded to what currently ADKG or LMS is.
All are identical hulls though.

 

[wolveray1]

18 number includes the already inducted Keris Class boats as well, right? We did see a potential option of 3+8 in the past I believe for LMS Batch II. We can also expect most of the ships to be built in Malaysian shipyards. I do think Ada for Malaysian Navy is a great pick, probably even better than Hisar Class OPV for u

18 number includes the already inducted Keris Class boats as well, right? We did see a potential option of 3+8 in the past I believe for LMS Batch II. We can also expect most of the ships to be built in Malaysian shipyards. I do think Ada for Malaysian Navy is a great pick, probably even better than Hisar Class OPV for us.

Yes KD Keris and 3 others ships are part of China made LMS batch 1.
Aside of that we are still building 5 LCS ships based on Gowind class corvette.

 

[Afif]

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

armyrecognition.com

So, Otokar is out? @Sanchez

 

[2033]

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

armyrecognition.com

So, Otokar is out? @Sanchez

We produce the best land vehicles in the world, but our Kazakh brothers are making deals with Singapore.

 

[Oublious]

We produce the best land vehicles in the world, but our Kazakh brothers are making deals with Singapore.

Kazakhistan leaders are pro Russian and Western, this is nothing....

 

[Afif]

We produce the best land vehicles in the world, but our Kazakh brothers are making deals with Singapore.

Terrex-3 seems to be better than Arma 1. If this is the one on which Kazakh variant is to be based.

Apperantly, Turkey's first 8x8 vehicle manufactured by Otokar was based on Terrex-1.

 

[Saithan]

Considering how Kazakh went with domestic and SA products and if I recall they even tried copying and reverse engineer our defense products. The failure made it feel good, but I am sure we're not interested in the sort of cooperation they demanded.

 

[Sanchez]

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

Singapore's ST Engineering to develop new 8x8 amphibious armored vehicle for Kazakhstan

armyrecognition.com

So, Otokar is out? @Sanchez

As usual the Paramount friends from South Africa ran their wallets high. Soviet style continues in the Turkic countries.

 

[TR_123456]

As usual the Paramount friends from South Africa ran their wallets high. Soviet style continues in the Turkic countries.

They all need a cleanup like Azerbaijan did but it will take time.

 

[Sanchez]

They all need a cleanup like Azerbaijan did but it will take time.

Every country is corrupt to a degree. Azerbaijan as well. At least make sure who skim from the top are your own people so that some of the money stays inside, not with an international company. I've followed this tender for the last 6 years. If it was in any other country at least 50 people would be behind the bars by now, including the chief of staff. Disgusting. I would be fine it was given to Patria or even ELVO from Greece after a fair process, but nope! Both Otokar and Aselsan were quite literally fucked by bs.

 

[Anmdt]

Terrex-3 seems to be better than Arma 1. If this is the one on which Kazakh variant is to be based.

Apperantly, Turkey's first 8x8 vehicle manufactured by Otokar was based on Terrex-1.

I think you must have followed earlier developments as well, like how some groups or a particular company (KPE) funded people to bad mouth Arma against Barys 8x8, and eventually turned out that Arma was rescuing the rival in a muddy river.

Yes you are right with the Terrex, but altogether, Terrex 3 was not a bidded project and at this point Kazakhstan seems to cancel entire bidding and it seems to be just because Otokar, a Turkish company, has passed the tests and fulfilled the requirements. I don't buy the argument which blames Otokar for not committing in cooperation or offset agreements. (See Romania, Saudi Arabia and others which they have exported).

As per the Terrex, i won't get into 1-1 comparison since it is nearly impossible to evaluate merely looking at speca but even the Arma (not Arma II) was updated through time. One company's product has been on field for much longer time than others, yes this argument is often served whenever a Turkish firm has offered a newly made product or a product whickh lacked the field experience, this time its our turn, can't it be?

Same happened with the shipyard and naval projects of Kazakhstan, they continued with Russian bidders and wasn't quite pleased at the end. Can't say they are anti-turkish as whole but definitely there is a corrupted fraction who is heavily funded by Paramount. (Did UAE not buy this one yet?).

 

[Afif]

This is very recent. Due to significant political changes and new found autonomy of Bangladesh, BD armed forces seems to be in hurry for a local defence industry modernization push. Some of these projects were initiated before during the previous (semi-pupet) regime. But never came to realize actually. This time we are more optimistic. Notice the language, it is decisive. (BOF has decided to stablish 7 production line) usually it is 'evaluating/reevaluating' the ideas.

The previous deal with Repkon in 2021 was only to set up shell body (105-155mm) production line. But we lack propellant production, primer production and most importantly fuze manufacturing capability. Which is the most complex part of a mortar/artillery round.

Also, 40mm HEAT RPGs production would be a good addition.

I think these seven types of hardware was chosen wisely because they realize something like ATGM or Manpad production line would be much more costly, timely and would require local engineering experties which we don't have right now. Compared to that these capabilities can be absorbed quickly and does not require high tech expertise.

The main competition seems to be between Pakistan, China and Türkiye. I hope Turkish companies gets a fair shot at this. (Though, Pakistanis are kind of acting like they are happy to give us things for almost free due to geopolitical considerations.)

Apperantly according to the top national daily, Türkiye has already offered BD a draft comprehensive framework agreement for defence cooperation. Which would make ToT easier from SSB companies. Something like that with Japan was recently cleared by the chief advisor Yunus. I hope Turkish one also get cleared.

 

[Sanchez]

This is very recent. Due to significant political changes and new found autonomy of Bangladesh, BD armed forces seems to be in hurry for a local defence industry modernization push. Some of these projects were initiated before during the previous (semi-pupet) regime. But never came to realize actually. This time we are more optimistic. Notice the language, it is decisive. (BOF has decided to stablish 7 production line) usually it is 'evaluating/reevaluating' the ideas.

The previous deal with Repkon in 2021 was only to set up shell body (105-155mm) production line. But we lack propellant production, primer production and most importantly fuze manufacturing capability. Which is the most complex part of a mortar/artillery round.

Also, 40mm HEAT RPGs production would be a good addition.

I think these seven types of hardware was chosen wisely because they realize something like ATGM or Manpad production line would be much more costly, timely and would require local engineering experties which we don't have right now. Compared to that these capabilities can be absorbed quickly and does not require high tech expertise.



The main competition seems to be between Pakistan, China and Türkiye. I hope Turkish companies gets a fair shot at this. (Though, Pakistanis are kind of acting like they are happy to give us things for almost free due to geopolitical considerations.)

Apperantly according to the top national daily, Türkiye has already offered BD a draft comprehensive framework agreement for defence cooperation. Which would make ToT easier from SSB companies. Something like that with Japan was recently cleared by the chief advisor Yunus. I hope Turkish one also get cleared.

Regardless of the winner of the contracts, BD wins in the end. Being able to make your own ammo is invaluable.

 

[Strong AI]

ASELSAN has signed sales contracts with a total amount of 30.7 Million USD regarding the export of friend or foe recognition, electro-optical, remote-controlled stabilized weapon and communication system payloads for the end use of its international customers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866729713428758724