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Japan Hesitant Over the US Navy's New Frigate Programme | TURDEF

Japan is reconsidering its position over industrial challenges and setbacks for the FFM frigates that might be associated with the US Navy's frigate programme.

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Japan is reconsidering its position over industrial challenges and setbacks for the FFM frigates that might be associated with the US Navy's frigate programme.

Naval News reported that Japan, despite its inclusion in the US Navy's new frigate acquisition programme involving an allied nation, is hesitant due to industrial revitalisation challenges and possible disruptions for the Mogami-class (FFM) frigate deliveries to existing customers.

It is argued by the Japan-based author Yoshihiro Inaba that winning the competition with the Mogami-class does not end the pressure.

Inaba underlined that the hurdles would start with revitalising US shipbuilding, which has fallen into a state of reduced activity and has not renewed its equipment or methods. This means a massive financial burden as well as the matter of training a large number of personnel.

Furthermore, Japan is already building a large number of Mogami-class frigates in baseline and upgraded variants for its own navy and the Royal Australian Navy. Building a large number of frigates, even jointly in the US, might endanger the delivery schedules for the booked customers.

These concerns might lead to the Turkish I-class frigate and ROK's Chungnam-class frigate as the two contenders. Both countries have joint construction experience.

Turkiye's past experiences in this regard include:

• Babur-class corvettes (PN MİLGEM) - Pakistan
• Turkmen-class corvette (Dearsan C92) - Turkmenistan

ROK's include:

• HVS - Vietnam
• Agila Southern Yard - Philippines

Author: Kaan Azman

Editor:Özgür Ekşi

 

[Saithan]

Japan Hesitant Over the US Navy's New Frigate Programme | TURDEF

Japan is reconsidering its position over industrial challenges and setbacks for the FFM frigates that might be associated with the US Navy's frigate programme.

turdef.com

Japan is reconsidering its position over industrial challenges and setbacks for the FFM frigates that might be associated with the US Navy's frigate programme.

Naval News reported that Japan, despite its inclusion in the US Navy's new frigate acquisition programme involving an allied nation, is hesitant due to industrial revitalisation challenges and possible disruptions for the Mogami-class (FFM) frigate deliveries to existing customers.

It is argued by the Japan-based author Yoshihiro Inaba that winning the competition with the Mogami-class does not end the pressure.

Inaba underlined that the hurdles would start with revitalising US shipbuilding, which has fallen into a state of reduced activity and has not renewed its equipment or methods. This means a massive financial burden as well as the matter of training a large number of personnel.

Furthermore, Japan is already building a large number of Mogami-class frigates in baseline and upgraded variants for its own navy and the Royal Australian Navy. Building a large number of frigates, even jointly in the US, might endanger the delivery schedules for the booked customers.

These concerns might lead to the Turkish I-class frigate and ROK's Chungnam-class frigate as the two contenders. Both countries have joint construction experience.

Turkiye's past experiences in this regard include:

• Babur-class corvettes (PN MİLGEM) - Pakistan
• Turkmen-class corvette (Dearsan C92) - Turkmenistan

ROK's include:

• HVS - Vietnam
• Agila Southern Yard - Philippines

Author: Kaan Azman

Editor:Özgür Ekşi

Considering the content of the Naval News article on the same matter.

I'd says US is looking for ways to modernize their ancient ship building capabilities.

Build 1-2 ships in Türkiye, then invest insane amount of money in US to enable them to produce the ships themselves.

And it ain't over until the customer says it's done. Which means they can squeeze you for everything.

Add to this changes under way and such.

Maybe @Anmdt has some insight to dealing with US Shipyards or US he can share with us.

 

[Anmdt]

in US to enable them to produce the ships themselves

This is the hard part actually, restarting a capability requires human resources which US lacks at the moment. Neither did they adopt automated or industrial capabilities like Japan or Korea did in transition to compensate for lack of human resources, which brought them at this stage, a niche industry capable of serving niche ship classes which is not adequate to produce and maintain ships en masse.

 

[boredaf]

This is the hard part actually, restarting a capability requires human resources which US lacks at the moment. Neither did they adopt automated or industrial capabilities like Japan or Korea did in transition to compensate for lack of human resources, which brought them at this stage, a niche industry capable of serving niche ship classes which is not adequate to produce and maintain ships en masse.

So, same story as their Stinger production lines then? They had to shovel money in front of retirees to come back to be able to restart production lines for the Stinger missiles, iirc.

 

[Sanchez]

So, same story as their Stinger production lines then? They had to shovel money in front of retirees to come back to be able to restart production lines for the Stinger missiles, iirc.

Not the same actually, because those retirees are still building the FIM-92J. Which is an FIM-92E that stopped US production in early 2000s.

Ship production is different, much much larger scale, so many more people. Doesn't make any financial sense in the first place, that's why they stopped production and became this way in the first place. Stinger is different. They had enough Stingers in stocks to last a life time if not for Ukraine.

 

[Pokemonte13]

If they go forward with this model of only buying 3 ships from abroad building the rest in the US, they will further fall back compared to the chinese. It will take more than a decade to rebuild a ship industry that is acceptable and during that timeframe buying ships from abroad would be much easier and faster

 

[Sanchez]

If they go forward with this model of only buying 3 ships from abroad building the rest in the US, they will further fall back compared to the chinese. It will take more than a decade to rebuild a ship industry that is acceptable and during that timeframe buying ships from abroad would be much easier and faster

By the way, it's not even clear if this can get funded. This is president's and his secnav's baby. So far it hasn't received any funding from the congress. At this time it's nothing more than a show.

 

[Pokemonte13]

By the way, it's not even clear if this can get funded. This is president's and his secnav's baby. So far it hasn't received any funding from the congress. At this time it's nothing more than a show.

The century of humiliation must continue

 

[Saithan]

We have no idea what kind of behind closed doors blackmail could be used to force the hand of Türkiye to make such investment.

That is what I am fearing.

Sugarcoat it with something, but hide the truth from the public.

 

[Passenger]

Our South Korean neighbors' crown jewel, Hanwha shipyard, has been on the Americans' radar for a long time — their Navy procurement guys literally dream about packing up those shipyards and moving them to the US wholesale. But unfortunately, every time they hire a batch of Korean workers to bring over to the States, ICE rolls up and tries to intercept them and deport the whole lot.

 

[TR_123456]

Our South Korean neighbors' crown jewel, Hanwha shipyard, has been on the Americans' radar for a long time — their Navy procurement guys literally dream about packing up those shipyards and moving them to the US wholesale. But unfortunately, every time they hire a batch of Korean workers to bring over to the States, ICE rolls up and tries to intercept them and deport the whole lot.

Shows only how dumb the current American administration is.

 

[boredaf]

We have no idea what kind of behind closed doors blackmail could be used to force the hand of Türkiye to make such investment.

What investment are you talking about?

 

[Saithan]

What investment are you talking about?

https://news.usni.org/2026/09/01/japanese-south-korean-turkish-warships-under-consideration-for-new-u-s-frigate-competition

In case we get dragged into this

 

[boredaf]

https://news.usni.org/2026/09/01/japanese-south-korean-turkish-warships-under-consideration-for-new-u-s-frigate-competition

In case we get dragged into this

I saw the news but I don't see why we would need investment for getting an export contract? At most (and worst) our shipyards would switch some production to their ships but what kind of "investment" could we get "blackmailed" into for this?

 

[HKY]

I don't understand why Americans don't build modernized version of Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates. Even Germans cancelled F126 and decided to go with new Meko A200 frigates which was originally designed in 80s. Just update machinery, sensors, weapons and use automation to decrease crew numbers .

 

[TR_123456]

I don't understand why Americans don't build modernized version of Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates. Even Germans cancelled F126 and decided to go with new Meko A200 frigates which was originally designed in 80s. Just update machinery, sensors, weapons and use automation to decrease crew numbers .

Because the design is obsolete.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I don't understand why Americans don't build modernized version of Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates. Even Germans cancelled F126 and decided to go with new Meko A200 frigates which was originally designed in 80s. Just update machinery, sensors, weapons and use automation to decrease crew numbers .

The Meko 200 has little to do with our meko200

 

[Fuzuli NL]

That could be Korkut at the back.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2096972998406209999

Chinese HQ-17AE surface-to-air missile

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2099747672441725008