TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Tornadoss]

I was expecting it to be installed at TB-2, TB3, but this is also good development. Still I believe they should be integrated them as well.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I was expecting it to be installed at TB-2, TB3, but this is also good development. Still I believe they should be integrated them as well.

Probably already did often times they show us these test even if the weapon has seen active deployment

 

[Pokemonte13]

Also 20 kizilelma for one f16 like say something realistic like 3 or 4

 

[boredaf]

Is Selcuk saying that Baykar will convert TS-1400 into TP-1400?

Baykar can do fuck all about it, their engine knowhow isn't good enough to modify TS-1400 into turboprop. AND, the engine belongs to TEI, why on earth would Baykar do anything about it instead of TEI?

 

[Strong AI]

Baykar can do fuck all about it, their engine knowhow isn't good enough to modify TS-1400 into turboprop. AND, the engine belongs to TEI, why on earth would Baykar do anything about it instead of TEI?

He literally says Baykar will develop an engine for KIZILELMA. If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.

 

[HKY]

Turning turboshaft engine to turboprop is not that hard. Probably baykar will cover the costs and tei will do the job.

Tp-1400 would be probably used for an unmanned aircraft with mtow of 12 tons.

 

[Sanchez]

Probably baykar will cover the costs and tei will do the job.

Problem have never been the costs. Development cycles and manpower issues are much bigger problems. Number of people that can develop an engine from a core in Turkey is limited and they already have their hands full with one of the most ambitious jet engine development projects not just in Turkey but in the whole world.

In the meanwhile, PT6 already exists. It's a civilian engine with basically no real export controls, cheap, reliable, best in history.

 

[Strong AI]

Problem have never been the costs.

Actually it is according to Mr. Akşit

In the recent interview from Tolga Özbek with Mr. Akşit, it is stated TEI has neither time nor money to make engines for every kind of aircraft.

 

[TR_123456]

If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.

When did Baykar build a turbofan engine from scratch?

 

[Strong AI]

When did Baykar build a turbofan engine from scratch?

I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

 

[UkroTurk]

Also 20 kizilelma for one f16 like say something realistic like 3 or 4

If one F-16 costs 500 million USD in long term, why not?, it is highly possible. Of course it is just for Turkish Air Force not for foreigners.

 

[Sanchez]

Actually it is according to Mr. Akşit

TEI of course doesn't have its capital in a bank. Money they make from build to print parts is good enough to keep the lights on but they can hardly handle more than one self funded project at the same time.

There's no fiscal sense in building a PT6 competitor in this market, TEI would be idiots to fund one themselves. Baykar and SSB have the required money though. Hence my comment that money itself is not the issue.

If one F-16 costs 500 million USD in long term, why not?, it is highly possible. Of course it is just for Turkish Air Force not for foreigners.

What's Kızılelma's lifecycle cost? Or Akıncı even. Drones for example require as many if not more ground staff to handle than jets. Unmanned does not necessarily require less manpower. All that gets added to the lifecycle costs. Pilots too. UCAV pilots don't get LIFT training so they are cheaper to train, but there are more of them per airframe. When we talk about lifecycle costs, these numbers all get added in.

 

[TR_123456]

I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

The way you wrote it it means they already did,maybe rephrase it?
Lets see first if they can.

 

[Strong AI]

The way you wrote it it means they already did,maybe rephrase it?
Lets see first if they can.

This is what i wrote. Context matters.

He literally says Baykar will develop an engine for KIZILELMA.

 

[TR_123456]

This is what i wrote. Context matters.

Are you joking or what?

''If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.''


What does this sentence mean?

 

[boredaf]

He literally says Baykar will develop an engine for KIZILELMA. If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.

I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

He can say whatever he likes, until they actually show the capability to do more than put together an engine with off-the-shelf parts, it means jack shit, it is just talk. First let's see him invest the billions necessary to create the ecosystem and expertise needed specifically for a turbofan jet engine.

 

[Strong AI]

Are you joking or what?

''If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.''


What does this sentence mean?

Are you for real now?

Look at my first sentece. "They will develop it"
Look at my second sentence. "If you can make it, you should be able to do ..."

first sentence will, second sentence if.

Actually you know what.
I wanted to write this for some time personally to you but since you do this publicly i will write this here.
How many members have this forum but how many are active?
And most of them come here only for news.
It is really funny that sometimes the politics thread is more active than defence realated threads on this defence related forum.
Also you guys said several times that old well known members will return, which didn't happen.

Once i post something to start a discussion, i get critisized for god knows what.

Kindly please delete all my posts and my account. Thank you. I wanted already to do this for some time and you gave me another reason now.

 

[Zafer]

TS1400 is a radial flow engine while the new TS3000 engine is likely to be an axial flow engine which is more suitable for conversion into a turboprop engine. You still need to wait for it to be made though.

 

[Zafer]

If Baykar think they can make a turbofan engine which is evident from the fact that they are supposedly working on it then they can be considered to be very well qualified to convert a turboshaft engine into a turboprop one. The fact that they believe they can make and they actually make are two different situations but with 9000 personnel and counting they are almost guarantied to be able to make it.

 

[Huelague]

I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

What do they need to build one?
Maybe the political/company will?
Maybe money? Maybe innovation. Maybe employees? Maybe experience (must not be from inside Baykar). I can’t see big hurdles except time.