Defending Ourselves In Worlds Public Opinion

[Timur]

you can say whatever you want for the western people its of no concern you wont change their view until you change not somethings that you have and own!

1. until you use the word turk dont consider them to accept anything from you..
2. until you say you are muslim dont consider them to accept anything from you you need to deny it you need to be different than this but if you keep on insisting my first argument you will be nothing more than a laughable creature I give you an excample of this there some turks wich fullfill part 2 and eat pork but keep insisting they are turk.. in front of them my german frieds act as if they are one of them but without them they laugh and make their jokes and consider them as worse people not trustworthy of anything..
3. until you eradicate anything turkish forget your language, your history, your culture your morals you need to say you are hans or dave or poporidiclius whatever and be hostile to your home

there is nothing in your hands when they choose you as your enemy.. in my childhood I nothices this and new that there is a connection between 1. 2. and I was under 10 years of age to notice this.. what I want to say even a child will nothice this

there is open enemyship towards us and they activly want to split our nation and exploit her recources! dont think you are one of them they have the same religion, the same culture, the same language (its all indo european french german slawic all belong to the same family and have a culture thats almost the same) if you ever think why the persians are not treated alike they treat the africans or arabs its because they are cousins

 

[Vaggos]

These Eastern countries are mostly ruled by despots installed by the West at the point of a proverbial gun.

A great example is that of Egypt. Where their first democratically elected government was toppled by a military dictatorship in a coup backed by the West and its regional proxies within a mere 2 years of the election.

It is my understanding that dictators installed by the West are easier for them to control than popularly elected leaders.

It's true. Another example is post-Saddam Iraq

These Eastern countries are mostly ruled by despots installed by the West at the point of a proverbial gun.

A great example is that of Egypt. Where their first democratically elected government was toppled by a military dictatorship in a coup backed by the West and its regional proxies within a mere 2 years of the election.

It is my understanding that dictators installed by the West are easier for them to control than popularly elected leaders.

It's true. Another example is post-Saddam Iraq

 

[Barry]

People like you is the reason the whole planet is laughing in your country's face

Nah mate. Turkish Cypriots could give Greek Cypriots the entire Island and it would never be enough for you. Turks could convert 100% to Christianity and it wouldn't be enough for you. They could give up the East med and it wouldn't be enough for you. They could leave Anatolia and it wouldn't be enough for you.

 

[GoatsMilk]

you can say whatever you want for the western people its of no concern you wont change their view until you change not somethings that you have and own!

1. until you use the word turk dont consider them to accept anything from you..
2. until you say you are muslim dont consider them to accept anything from you you need to deny it you need to be different than this but if you keep on insisting my first argument you will be nothing more than a laughable creature I give you an excample of this there some turks wich fullfill part 2 and eat pork but keep insisting they are turk.. in front of them my german frieds act as if they are one of them but without them they laugh and make their jokes and consider them as worse people not trustworthy of anything..
3. until you eradicate anything turkish forget your language, your history, your culture your morals you need to say you are hans or dave or poporidiclius whatever and be hostile to your home

there is nothing in your hands when they choose you as your enemy.. in my childhood I nothices this and new that there is a connection between 1. 2. and I was under 10 years of age to notice this.. what I want to say even a child will nothice this

there is open enemyship towards us and they activly want to split our nation and exploit her recources! dont think you are one of them they have the same religion, the same culture, the same language (its all indo european french german slawic all belong to the same family and have a culture thats almost the same) if you ever think why the persians are not treated alike they treat the africans or arabs its because they are cousins

Turks in europe learn of this reality very fast, its just a shame the Turks of Turkey are ignorant of it.

 

[Ardabas34]

Ataturk did not conquer istanbul he liberated it. Istanbul was a Turkish city under foreign occupation.

Hagia sophia symbolises Turkish power. It cements Turkish rule and Islamic rule in the region.

Turks have made anatolia their home since 1071. Basically we have the will to turn Hagia sophia to whatever we want.

In short i dont care for Tayyip here when I have been saying for ages that it should be a mosque.

Before you start pulling the extremist card. I practice my religion while at the same time i do my best while a lot of times well you know I falter a lot. What can I do im human at the end of the day. Religion is like a 24/7 affair if only you are willing to be devout.

Im not the kind of person who can keep religion 24/7 in their lives.

I still believe religion is important and especially holding beliefs because with beliefs it gives a purpose in life.

By the way the Spanish conquered Cordoba mosque they still use it as a Cathedral despite Spain being a secular country. You know why?? Conquest of Cordoba and turning the Grand mosque symbolised victory and the spoils of war.

So why should we cuck for peoples who dont like us?? Secularism does not mean you bend the knees.

Thats just useless rhetorics. Liberated or not it is Ataturk who is the reason city is now under our administration. By this logic Saladin also only liberated Jerusalem but we use the term conquest as if it is important. https://www.ancient.eu/article/1553/saladins-conquest-of-jerusalem-1187-ce/

Long story short we owe it to Ataturk that Istanbul is a Turkish city right now. So it is his spoil of war as if this is sth important. A 30.000 strong British army occupied the Istanbul Mehmet 2 conquered and in Chanak crisis our cavalry surrounded a fragment of British army in Dardanelles. The commander of this fragment disobeyed the shoot order from Lloyd George. Over this to defend Istanbul Lloyd George demanded soldiers from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. For the first time in British history these colonies refused to send soldiers. A Canadian once told me you Turks helped us gaining a national spirit from the British. So British with only 30.000 soldiers realising it would be impossible to hold the city, decided to surrender the city and leave.

Hagia Sophia doesnt need to symbolise Turkish power. World is aware Istanbul is a city in the republic of Turkey right now, believe me. Making Hagia Sophia a museum instead of a mosque however just shows how mature the Turkish mentality was. It demonstrated that we acknowledged this place is a common legacy of the humankind, a pinacle of human achievements in architecture.

Hagia Sophia doesnt even hold a place in the religion of Islam. Praying in there just to make a mental masturbation against Christians ''yeah boys they are flipping out from anger right now, we showed them!!!'' or ''my ancestor conquered it, so it is my right to do whatever I want''' arent even a sentiments that has a place in religion. Religion and good morale would advise being humble, kind, respecting, maturity.

So by your logic when ISIS destroys 3000 years old relics of the ancient civilizations, completely eradicating them from the World, making the humanity never able again to see them is totally their right? By your logic it is their spoil of war so they decided to destroy it and there is no problem in here? By your logic since these relics belonged to politheist civilizations it is their right to destroy these relics to ''cement the islamic rule''? You people get offended when you get compared to ISIS.

Also notice that you had to say you arent an extremist, thats precisely my point. I never accused you of being one. Why did you feel the need of defending yourself? You do know when you talk and act with the mentality of ''spoils of war'' in 21st century they will think of you as ISIS. Rightfully so too I might add. What the hell is a spoil of war? Do we live in 13th century? Do we play Mount and Blade here?

Not seeing the maturity, the kindness and humbleness of the Ataturks action and calling it ''being a cuck'' doesnt really tell good about your maturity.

We didnt do it to comply with the west, we did it because it was the right thing to do.

About the Spanish and the Cordoba, I always considered the Spanish the most biggot nation of Europe. If they dont make Cordoba a museum it is their embarassment. We arent doing this for anyone, we do this because it is right thing to do.

Millions of your people live in European countries. Millions of them are provided social states benefits, even their own places of worship(mosques) to pray. We live in a neo-liberal world. What f***ing spoil of war are you talking about?

Also Turkish people never asked for Hagia Sophia to be converted back to a mosque, dont kid yourself. I talked to many of my friends with conservative backgrounds (one from Sultanbeyli an Akp supporter and one from Gungeren BBP supporter) even they were completely unenthusiastic about it. They said he did it to make people forget the economic troubles. That day I had to pass through that crowd for reasons. I saw the crowd. Tariqah people, obviously the most extremist face of Turkey. Erdogans core of votes. He did it to consolidate them. Simple as that. Even if you are a sincere Muslim who believes it was the right thing to do I ask you was this going to be the way for it to be converted to a mosque? A populist politician trying to consolidate the extremist core of his votes?

 

[Vaggos]

Nah mate. Turkish Cypriots could give Greek Cypriots the entire Island and it would never be enough for you. Turks could convert 100% to Christianity and it wouldn't be enough for you. They could give up the East med and it wouldn't be enough for you. They could leave Anatolia and it wouldn't be enough for you.

You're butchers with no knife.

I think you are delusional!

 

[Ryder]

Thats just useless rhetorics. Liberated or not it is Ataturk who is the reason city is now under our administration. By this logic Saladin also only liberated Jerusalem but we use the term conquest as if it is important. https://www.ancient.eu/article/1553/saladins-conquest-of-jerusalem-1187-ce/

Long story short we owe it to Ataturk that Istanbul is a Turkish city right now. So it is his spoil of war as if this is sth important. A 30.000 strong British army occupied the Istanbul Mehmet 2 conquered and in Chanak crisis our cavalry surrounded a fragment of British army in Dardanelles. The commander of this fragment disobeyed the shoot order from Lloyd George. Over this to defend Istanbul Lloyd George demanded soldiers from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. For the first time in British history these colonies refused to send soldiers. A Canadian once told me you Turks helped us gaining a national spirit from the British. So British with only 30.000 soldiers realising it would be impossible to hold the city, decided to surrender the city and leave.

Hagia Sophia doesnt need to symbolise Turkish power. World is aware Istanbul is a city in the republic of Turkey right now, believe me. Making Hagia Sophia a museum instead of a mosque however just shows how mature the Turkish mentality was. It demonstrated that we acknowledged this place is a common legacy of the humankind, a pinacle of human achievements in architecture.

Hagia Sophia doesnt even hold a place in the religion of Islam. Praying in there just to make a mental masturbation against Christians ''yeah boys they are flipping out from anger right now, we showed them!!!'' or ''my ancestor conquered it, so it is my right to do whatever I want''' arent even a sentiments that has a place in religion. Religion and good morale would advise being humble, kind, respecting, maturity.

So by your logic when ISIS destroys 3000 years old relics of the ancient civilizations, completely eradicating them from the World, making the humanity never able again to see them is totally their right? By your logic it is their spoil of war so they decided to destroy it and there is no problem in here? By your logic since these relics belonged to politheist civilizations it is their right to destroy these relics to ''cement the islamic rule''? You people get offended when you get compared to ISIS.

Also notice that you had to say you arent an extremist, thats precisely my point. I never accused you of being one. Why did you feel the need of defending yourself? You do know when you talk and act with the mentality of ''spoils of war'' in 21st century they will think of you as ISIS. Rightfully so too I might add. What the hell is a spoil of war? Do we live in 13th century? Do we play Mount and Blade here?

Not seeing the maturity, the kindness and humbleness of the Ataturks action and calling it ''being a cuck'' doesnt really tell good about your maturity.

We didnt do it to comply with the west, we did it because it was the right thing to do.

About the Spanish and the Cordoba, I always considered the Spanish the most biggot nation of Europe. If they dont make Cordoba a museum it is their embarassment. We arent doing this for anyone, we do this because it is right thing to do.

Millions of your people live in European countries. Millions of them are provided social states benefits, even their own places of worship(mosques) to pray. We live in a neo-liberal world. What f***ing spoil of war are you talking about?

Also Turkish people never asked for Hagia Sophia to be converted back to a mosque, dont kid yourself. I talked to many of my friends with conservative backgrounds (one from Sultanbeyli an Akp supporter and one from Gungeren BBP supporter) even they were completely unenthusiastic about it. They said he did it to make people forget the economic troubles. That day I had to pass through that crowd for reasons. I saw the crowd. Tariqah people, obviously the most extremist face of Turkey. Erdogans core of votes. He did it to consolidate them. Simple as that. Even if you are a sincere Muslim who believes it was the right thing to do I ask you was this going to be the way for it to be converted to a mosque? A populist politician trying to consolidate the extremist core of his votes?

The crusaders ruled Jerusalem for decades until it was liberated by Saladin.

We use liberation more than conquest because those cities which we ruled were liberated from foreign rule.

Same with Ataturk he is remembered more as a liberator than a conqueror. Does not suggest anything bad about him when his aim was independance rather than conquest.

Nihal Atsiz the most hardcore Pan Turkist who by the way was anti Islam even suggested that the Hagia sophia should be a mosque rather than a museum.

When Hagia sophia became a mosque it was more than religion it was the soul of the nation hence why even Turkish nationalists who barely pray welcome the move.

Lmaooo using the isis argument the difference is us Turks took the ancient artifacts for ourselves aka spoils of war while isis destroyed most of them. Your argument holds no water also Turkic War law when the Turks conquer and vanquish an army all the riches are for the victors. This was standard nothing to be ashamed about.

 

[dani92]

Thats just useless rhetorics. Liberated or not it is Ataturk who is the reason city is now under our administration. By this logic Saladin also only liberated Jerusalem but we use the term conquest as if it is important. https://www.ancient.eu/article/1553/saladins-conquest-of-jerusalem-1187-ce/

Long story short we owe it to Ataturk that Istanbul is a Turkish city right now. So it is his spoil of war as if this is sth important. A 30.000 strong British army occupied the Istanbul Mehmet 2 conquered and in Chanak crisis our cavalry surrounded a fragment of British army in Dardanelles. The commander of this fragment disobeyed the shoot order from Lloyd George. Over this to defend Istanbul Lloyd George demanded soldiers from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. For the first time in British history these colonies refused to send soldiers. A Canadian once told me you Turks helped us gaining a national spirit from the British. So British with only 30.000 soldiers realising it would be impossible to hold the city, decided to surrender the city and leave.

Hagia Sophia doesnt need to symbolise Turkish power. World is aware Istanbul is a city in the republic of Turkey right now, believe me. Making Hagia Sophia a museum instead of a mosque however just shows how mature the Turkish mentality was. It demonstrated that we acknowledged this place is a common legacy of the humankind, a pinacle of human achievements in architecture.

Hagia Sophia doesnt even hold a place in the religion of Islam. Praying in there just to make a mental masturbation against Christians ''yeah boys they are flipping out from anger right now, we showed them!!!'' or ''my ancestor conquered it, so it is my right to do whatever I want''' arent even a sentiments that has a place in religion. Religion and good morale would advise being humble, kind, respecting, maturity.

So by your logic when ISIS destroys 3000 years old relics of the ancient civilizations, completely eradicating them from the World, making the humanity never able again to see them is totally their right? By your logic it is their spoil of war so they decided to destroy it and there is no problem in here? By your logic since these relics belonged to politheist civilizations it is their right to destroy these relics to ''cement the islamic rule''? You people get offended when you get compared to ISIS.

Also notice that you had to say you arent an extremist, thats precisely my point. I never accused you of being one. Why did you feel the need of defending yourself? You do know when you talk and act with the mentality of ''spoils of war'' in 21st century they will think of you as ISIS. Rightfully so too I might add. What the hell is a spoil of war? Do we live in 13th century? Do we play Mount and Blade here?

Not seeing the maturity, the kindness and humbleness of the Ataturks action and calling it ''being a cuck'' doesnt really tell good about your maturity.

We didnt do it to comply with the west, we did it because it was the right thing to do.

About the Spanish and the Cordoba, I always considered the Spanish the most biggot nation of Europe. If they dont make Cordoba a museum it is their embarassment. We arent doing this for anyone, we do this because it is right thing to do.

Millions of your people live in European countries. Millions of them are provided social states benefits, even their own places of worship(mosques) to pray. We live in a neo-liberal world. What f***ing spoil of war are you talking about?

Also Turkish people never asked for Hagia Sophia to be converted back to a mosque, dont kid yourself. I talked to many of my friends with conservative backgrounds (one from Sultanbeyli an Akp supporter and one from Gungeren BBP supporter) even they were completely unenthusiastic about it. They said he did it to make people forget the economic troubles. That day I had to pass through that crowd for reasons. I saw the crowd. Tariqah people, obviously the most extremist face of Turkey. Erdogans core of votes. He did it to consolidate them. Simple as that. Even if you are a sincere Muslim who believes it was the right thing to do I ask you was this going to be the way for it to be converted to a mosque? A populist politician trying to consolidate the extremist core of his votes?

Expect the Spaniard Christians liberate a land already theirs and belong to them while the ottomans invaded and occupied a land wasn’t theirs that’s why there are a lot of retards who compare cordoba with Hagia Sophia. Just like comparing American war against Japan with the war against Vietnam the first war America was attacked while the second America was the aggressor.

 

[Ryder]

Expect the Spaniard Christians liberate a land already theirs and belong to them while the ottomans invaded and occupied a land wasn’t theirs that’s why there are a lot of retards who compare cordoba with Hagia Sophia. Just like comparing American war against Japan with the war against Vietnam the first war America was attacked while the second America was the aggressor.

If you cant defend what is yours perhaps its not yours to begin with.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Turks have not been conquered yet by the "international order" these minorities are placed in front but behind them are world powers. The Turk will only find a fair court when he has power, not before.

To make matters worse we have a culture and character that does not like to cry, does not like to beg. Even when we starve and have next to nothing in our hands to eat, when we see someone hungry we don't hesitate to give.

Allah didnt create us to play these low filthy games that our enemies engage in, he created us to fight evil and injustice. That fight will never be easy, because we will always find ourselves either alone or as a small minority going up against much of the world.

Every individual Turk must play his part no matter how small or big. If you have lots of money, invest some of that money towards things that helps Turkey. If you have influence and connections use it to help Turkey. Do what you can according to your own means.

The most important thing we need are global media channels to at least counter the propaganda.

We have been asleep for too long.

 

[dani92]

If you cant defend what is yours perhaps its not yours to begin with.

Yeah just like the thief who stole your wallet??!

 

[Ryder]

Yeah just like the thief who stole your wallet??!

Basically calling Turks as thiefs.

If we are thiefs then again we are based so go cry over it.

Funny seeing these Europeans and Christians crying when we use the apply the same arguments they use.

 

[dani92]

Basically calling Turks as thiefs.

If we are thiefs then again we are based so go cry over it.

Funny seeing these Europeans and Christians crying when we use the apply the same arguments they use.

According to you shouldn’t cry if someone stole something from you.

 

[Ryder]

According to you shouldn’t cry if someone stole something from you.

Stole what?? We actually fought for it.

Our ancestors put money and soldiers to conquer land.

Honestly dont push me im not gonna get banned because of some butthurt christian who keeps on crying about Muslims conquering.

 

[dani92]

Stole what?? We actually fought for it.

Our ancestors put money and soldiers to conquer land.

Honestly dont push me im not gonna get banned because of some butthurt christian who keeps on crying about Muslims conquering.

Not Christian because both religions are hypocrites who justify theft in the name of god

 

[dani92]

Stole what?? We actually fought for it.

Our ancestors put money and soldiers to conquer land.

Honestly dont push me im not gonna get banned because of some butthurt christian who keeps on crying about Muslims conquering.

As for butthurt why some of your people glorify conquest in modern day yet they bark at the others when they do it also if conquest was natural back then why you want to do it in the 21 century??!.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Not Christian because both religions are hypocrites who justify theft in the name of god

Meanwhile you are happy to live in the USA. I'm sure the natives just rolled the red carpet out and handed over the keys when europeans arrived on boats.

 

[dani92]

Meanwhile you are happy to live in the USA. I'm sure the natives just rolled the red carpet out and handed over the keys when europeans arrived on boats.

As I told you both followers of Jesus and Muhammad are hypocrites. But the followers of Jesus admit their crimes and colonialism unlike the followers of Muhammad who say the people of the land they conquered which they treated as 2nd class citizens were happy which is lies. No western say the natives were happy when they conquered them unlike the followers of Muhammad

 

[Ryder]

As I told you both followers of Jesus and Muhammad are hypocrites. But the followers of Jesus admit their crimes and colonialism unlike the followers of Muhammad who say the people of the land they conquered which they treated as 2nd class citizens were happy which is lies. No western say the natives were happy when they conquered them unlike the followers of Muhammad

Admit lmaooo

You are talking about liberals

 

[dani92]

Admit lmaooo

You are talking about liberals

Even the conservatives and nationalists or Right wingers don’t put a makeup on the face of their ugly history like the followers of Muhammad do and if there is they are minority.