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I just realised theres actually 4 vizag class, so Kolkata--->Vizag was a 3+4. So likely it will be 4+4 for the successor.

Anyway I will tag @Anmdt to see if he can share any extra insight.
 
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Nilgiri said:
It has to do with the combat space taken comprehensively (the intent of the integrated command space).

In the naval domain, the A&N islands role for example as its a massive asset, a very large but fixed bunch of aircraft carriers in a prime location. What will its role be, how can be further leveraged here while the overall wherewithal lags the main opponent.

What are the things that will have to be worked upon with allied nations, what roles are they willing to play in the various tiers of conflict concerning us.

Then yes, exactly things like what you have described with the actual final production of war assets and training of their crew and research into improving all of these (sensoring and weapons especially, either hosted by the naval mobile assets themselves or stationed on land, air assets, space etc that will play a more effective role in the naval domain with more integration).

i.e If MDL, GRSE et al have (or soon will have) X shipyard berths and capacities at hand that are now larger than Y of yesteryear that allow say a 4+4 economy of scale compared to 3+3. Or is an 8 at one go even possible? i.e is there a significant chokepoint in this layer....along with considerations of capacity for building other (especially smaller) ships and tradeoff studies here for their numbers required (in that comprehensive combat space reality and projection regarding frigates, corvettes, subs and so on).

I have simply not looked at the shipyards themselves regarding this potential. I would assume 4+4 is the natural transition from 3+3 though.

Then the next layer is very much the maturity + confidence invested in the system from operation of preceding blocs and their subsystems reliance etc.

i.e assuming for sake of argument all 8 production slots open and available, do you commit all 8? Or commit 4 (and wait and see w.r.t operations and tech developments) and commit the next 4 later (to take advantage of what was developed in the interim and also having 4 production slots available for other warships that may be more appropriate for the force level ramping strategy picked), very much like you have described.

There was only some fairly nominal upgrades between the Kolkata and Vizag classes from what I have looked at (compared to their total costings)....so maybe these indicate more cohesion in the successor class for all 8. Or maybe the raw tonnage increase and all other considerations are the imperative default and a 4+4 conservative approach (essentially scaling 3+3) is preferable even with 8 slots.

If the shipyard berths are constrained to 4+4 anyway (i.e thats the chokepoint), its moot point largely as at that point you want the next 4 to take advantage of the time they were unable to be produced earlier.
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Oh yes!

Let me get out of the mess of housework, and I'd like to reply to this. I've been looking at capacities of several shipyards, including Mazagon, Goa, Karwar (implicit), Beypore (neglected, but so, so important), Kochi, L&T's new yard north of Chennai, on the verges of Pulicat, Kakinada, Masulipatnam, Vizag, Paradip and the Garden Reach complex. There are clearly several more that can be set up with minimal effort, but those can wait to be discussed later.
 
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NGD visualization by someone on Twitter (credit in pics). Note that this is not official - the closest thing we have to official is the WESEE render which implies it's going to be based on Fincantieri DDX design.

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Internal visuals of INS Imphal, unsure if posted before:


To give idea of the content in hindi (they use English for lot of weapon names/terms within video too):

Welcome aboard the INS Imphal, the third marvel of the Project 158 (Visakhapatnam class) guided missile destroyers by the Indian Navy. Join us on an exclusive and comprehensive tour of this technological masterpiece with Vaibhav Agrawal, Editor - Business Upturn Asia, designed by the Indian Navy's Warship Design Bureau and meticulously crafted by M/s Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd. Key Features: With a length stretching to 164 meters, a displacement of 7500 tons, and an impressive 75% indigenous weapon-sensor-machinery fit, INS Imphal proudly stands as one of the largest and most technologically advanced destroyers globally. Explore the ship's cutting-edge capabilities that reflect India's growing shipbuilding prowess, aligned with the national vision of "Atmanirbhar Bharat."

Versatility Unleashed: Discover how INS Imphal serves as a potent and versatile platform, capable of executing blue water operations across the entire spectrum of naval warfare - air, surface, underwater, and electromagnetic. Get insights into the ship's strategic significance and its role in safeguarding India's maritime interests. Symbolic Crest: Uncover the rich symbolism behind the ship's crest, featuring the iconic Kangla Fort of Imphal and the mythical guardian animal Kangla-Sha. Learn about the historical significance of Kangla Fort as the traditional seat of power for the Kingdom of Manipur, and the mythical guardian that symbolizes protection, defense, and guardianship. Rising Symbolism: Witness the symbolic rise of INS Imphal with the Sun in the background, flanked by majestic horses, all underlined by the inscription of "Invincible Imphal." Explore the ship's destiny to rule the oceans and meet challenges head-on, represented by its frontal silhouette riding the waves.

The radiant rising Sun signifies infinite energy, connecting the ship with the North-East, India's 'Land of Rising Sun.' Join us on this extraordinary journey as we delve into the heart of INS Imphal, experiencing firsthand the fusion of advanced naval technology, rich symbolism, and the indomitable spirit of the Manipuri people. Don't miss out on this exclusive tour of the Indian Navy's pride and joy, the INS Imphal!
 
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