TR Economy & Updates

[Zafer]

I told you. I know one or two things about being a farmer not because I read sth. on the internet but I have a first hand experience. And you still keep explaining my world,my problems to me. Like you accused people not going to farmers market without listening their problems. So mate I am sorry. This is not an appealing discussion anymore. You are not listening but you expect me to listen to you. We started this with my question about goverment debt. You presented sth. and I accepted that you are right. I can do that. Clearly you are not cabable of doing that. So be safe and happy. I leave it here.

You don't even understand my words dude. Farmers market is the weekly market set up in the street. They are not farmers but merchants.

I may not be farmer myself but I had a chat with a farmer last summer and listened to what he said about how they feel about being a farmer. He was saying that farmers could start a living for their children in the past but they can not afford a living for their children in today's world, they can not marry off their children as a farmer basically. But it is the way of the world, farm lands get smaller per farmer and they can not live of of it anymore. And he also complained about the new law that you have to rent your land to others if you will not be farming more than a couple of years in a row. They basically want to hold the land empty and use it a political pressure to the economy, which is not acceptable.

You are making discussion personal. Your belonging to a farmer family does not mean you are knowledgeable about farming or being objective or anything, it only means you are partial rather than impartial.

 

[duveil]

I may not be farmer myself but I had a chat with a farmer last summer

Your belonging to a farmer family does not mean you are knowledgeable about farming

Let me see I got this right. You had a chat with a farmer so you think you figure this out better than me although I spend my 45 years with living as a member of a farmer family . Thanks to your post I dont even have to respond to that. You gave the answer yourself dude.

 

[Zafer]

Let me see I got this right. You had a chat with a farmer so you think you figure this out better than me although I spend my 45 years with living as a member of a farmer family . Thanks to your post I dont even have to respond to that. You gave the answer yourself dude.

Maybe you do plowing better but have you noticed you haven't put forward a single argument about farming but only said you are in farming. But never mind I won't be responding to you any more.

 

[No Name]

I got some bad news and some good news. The bad news is that it seems that Turkey's growth has started to slow down to 2%. Still, the good news is that the reopening of the TOMTAS factory in Kayseri has led to the area becoming an aerospace hub, with 11 new aerospace firms having been established in the region.

This should hopefully help alleviate the overpopulation of Western Anatolia and redistribute some of the nation's uneven economic growth, ultimately benefiting the economy in the long run.

 

[what]

Progress is progress, but its still only a drop in the bucket. Infrastructure and geographics make western Anatolia and the coastal regions always economically more attractive vs. landlocked inner Anatolia and Eastern Anatolia.

 

[Deliorman]

I don’t see an economic problem that can’t be solved with 20 new mega mosques being built here and there.

 

[Huelague]

I don’t see an economic problem that can’t be solved with 20 new mega mosques being built here and there.

Religion is Opium for the folks.

 

[Huelague]

One of the most interesting statistic developments (Geopolitically and Economically) from 1980 - 2024

 

[Agha Sher]

Religion is Opium for the folks.

Said by a jewish communist clown. Is he really your inspiration?

 

[duveil]

Said by a jewish communist clown. Is he really your inspiration?

Does it matter who said that? Alan Turing was an gay atheist and you are using a smart device to make this post .

 

[Huelague]

Said by a jewish communist clown. Is he really your inspiration?

He is not an inspiration, but it’s the truth. Iran is one of the best example.

 

[Saithan]

Turkish salmon gains ground overseas, backed by aquaculture know-how - Türkiye News

Sitting in his spacious office with a view of the Black Sea, Tayfun Denizer smiles: his rainbow trout, raised in submerged cages, have made him a wealthy man.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Nice developments, but I would like to know how much toxins and such are present in the trouts compare this to Norwegian and Faeroe islands trout.

Very important that it's sustainable and toxins levels and such are kept low.

 

[Sanchez]

Trillion dollar economy, but 3 usually biggest areas of spending get less than 8% of GDP. Our endemic issues continue with no end in sight. How do we even plan to increase military spending to 5%? Not like we can cut from education and health spending like others plan to.

 

[TR_123456]

Trillion dollar economy, but 3 usually biggest areas of spending get less than 8% of GDP. Our endemic issues continue with no end in sight. How do we even plan to increase military spending to 5%? Not like we can cut from education and health spending like others plan to.

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Wow,lowest on education and health.

 

[Strong AI]

Trillion dollar economy, but 3 usually biggest areas of spending get less than 8% of GDP. Our endemic issues continue with no end in sight. How do we even plan to increase military spending to 5%? Not like we can cut from education and health spending like others plan to.

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Still low, but... (why don't they use 2023 for education?)

Education

TÜİK Kurumsal

data.tuik.gov.tr

Health

https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=Saglik-Harcamalari-Istatistikleri-2023-53561

 

[Yasar_TR]

Still low, but... (why don't they use 2023 for education?)

Education

TÜİK Kurumsal

data.tuik.gov.tr

Health

https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=Saglik-Harcamalari-Istatistikleri-2023-53561

These TUIK graphs are no more than self satisfaction and self gratification graphs.
1 dollar was 2.86 TL in 2011
1 dollar was 29.00 TL in 2023.
Also dollar lost 43% of its own purchasing value during that time. So if you take 1/10th of the TL spending in 2023 multiply it with 0.43 ; you will find it has declined in real terms.

So money spent on health and education graphs in TL are irrelevant.

How much of your national wealth or income is spent on health and education is the valid criteria as per @Sanchez ’s post.

 

[Turkic]

How much of your national wealth or income is spent on health and education is the valid criteria as per @Sanchez ’s post.

Really? So US healthcare is better than ours? I don't think so. Turkish healthcare is in the top 5 of NATO with no doubt. And I won't argue if a countries healthcare is good or not if even their own people are afraid of calling an ambulance. Spending 16,5% of tens of trillions dollars doesn't make it good. I wonder in which NATO countries people are not afraid of the bill they will face for having chemotherapy.

There are a lot of criterias to be considered. For example, in Turkiye, average doctor salaries are half of the amount in these countries. And while a doctor in the UK sees 5-10 patients a day, our doctors see no less than 50. So they do 10 times the job they do and get half they get. Side note: we're expected to catch oecd average of doctors per 1000 in the next decade. It was 1,9 in 2018 and 2,3 now. (Oecd avg 3,7)

So, half the amount of doctors per 1000, half the salary= 1/4 of the cost of doctors to healthcare system. Same viable for nurses, dentists etc.

Lower costs of medical schools, lower costs of infrastructure, lower costs of building hospitals, producing meds at lower costs, everything is lower in terms of costs.

So it's not we're not paying enough attention to healthcare. We're doing better than most NATO countries do with that fancy amounts.

I have no commentation on education. Just healthcare.

How do we even plan to increase military spending to 5%?

1,5% of the 5% is allowed to be used in infrastructure and defence industry. So probably our military bases are going to be renewed till there's nothing left old and defence industry funds are going to be higher (good to build infrastructure to produce enough for Europe's future needs). There's 3,5% left which is not scary as 5% when you consider we already spend 2,1% (I know what 1,4% of gdp is. I mean it's not 2,9%.).

 

[Yasar_TR]

Really? So US healthcare is better than ours?

Who says US healthcare is better than ours? %ge of GDP spent is the better criteria. That is all. Read before making untrue statements please.

Spending more doesn’t necessarily mean better.

Having said that although it is a very fragmented and layered unequally set up system, the US healthcare is technologically the best in the world, if you have the money and the right insurance policy, which serves the elite class more than the general public and the needy.

Turkish healthcare too, isn’t what it used to be 10-15 years ago. The patient contributions in private hospitals have spiralled out of control now. Also the Large city hospitals built to create funds for corrupt few, is far from serving the masses. The quality and quantity of doctors employed in state institutions have declined as they are head hunted by private hospitals or have gone abroad.
After care system is really bad in Turkish hospitals. Nursing profession is not supported and hence “refakatci” culture has become the norm instead of nurses taking care of patients.

A doctor in UK sees a great deal more patients than 5-10. Weight of initial health screening is given to GPs in UK. Yet In Turkey it is the Specialists that see patients initially.
There are positives and negatives of both systems. UK is having serious problems in its healthcare system too. Not enough doctors, too long waiting lists, too much waste of public funds etc. I still think Turkish healthcare is system is better than UK, especially if you have money. Because private medical care in UK is prohibitively expensive.

 

[TheInsider]

There is serious state health system degeneration in Turkiye. Private facilities are good, but state hospitals are not good anymore, and it is getting increasingly worse. You need to wait for weeks to months, and sometimes in rare cases, a year, before you can get an MRI or ultrasound.

 

[Sanchez]

1,5% of the 5% is allowed to be used in infrastructure and defence industry

How are we going to increase it to 3.5%? Two prongs here. One is meeting the goal, other is actually increasing capabilities. You can add in police budget and call it a "security" budget, but noone's buying that. The rate we are increasing capabilities is simply not enough. We have credit because our army is vast and our soldiers' lives are cheap. We can simply show our 500k army to anyone that asks, that's what we did in the last decade and how we circumvented Trump's 3.5% speeches in 2016, only commiting to 2.0 which we barely reach. But this doesn't mean capability re NATO and more importantly Erdogan now did publicly talk about increasing defence budget to 5%, unlike in 2016.

Per infrastructure on 1.5%, we failed to build that infrastructure in the last 15 years, only actual rail projects we have in the last decade are built using British credit lines. We simply don't have that kind of budget lying around.