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[TR_123456]

For the second batch? Well, it can be discussed, because who knows what progress Kizilelma and Anka 3 will make by that time. But now? It is absolute imperative and it is better than F16 deal.

You cant compare the Kizilelma and Anka 3 drones to the EF,not in the same league/category/role.

 

[mehmed beg]

You cant compare the Kizilelma and Anka 3 drones to the EF,not in the same league/category/role.

I am not comparing, just in the case of great progress of those platforms, THK can kind of compensate Vis a Vis scarce inventory till KAAN comes to the fore. Hopefully EFs in 2030 , will be of the highest spec, just in the case of the delays.

 

[TheInsider]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

 

[Iskander]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

Such?

The Anka-3 is a great aircraft.
But I think one day you'll have to build an Anka with larger parameters. I'm not talking about the 100-ton Spirit, but something bigger than the Anka-3. There is an empty niche there.

https://tr.topwar.ru/275143-konkurent-b-21-za-zvanie-luchshego-bombardirovschika-novyj-kitajskij-samolet-h-20.html

 

[boredaf]

Such?

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The Anka-3 is a great aircraft.
But I think one day you'll have to build an Anka with larger parameters. I'm not talking about the 100-ton Spirit, but something bigger than the Anka-3. There is an empty niche there.

https://tr.topwar.ru/275143-konkurent-b-21-za-zvanie-luchshego-bombardirovschika-novyj-kitajskij-samolet-h-20.html

Chinese just flew their flying wing drone that is bigger than Anka-3.

 

[Afif]

Chinese just flew their flying wing drone that is bigger than Anka-3.

To be accurate, it's been flying since 2013. Recent footage released of production variant is a commemoration of its commissioning with PLAAF unit.

Something like that from TAI would require a bigger engine. Like F110. Other than the engine issue, there is no reason why Tusas couldn't get it done.

 

[boredaf]

Something like that from TAI would require a bigger engine. Like F110. Other than the engine issue, there is no reason why Tusas couldn't get it done.

I agree, I just mentioned the Chinese drone as an example. We really need to start developing our drones/ships/planes/whatever around engines, rather than the other way around.

 

[Zafer]

What if an early crop of the TF35000 engine get used on unmanned bombers long before they fly on Kaan this can effect every other acquisition

 

[Iskander]

What if an early crop of the TF35000 engine get used on unmanned bombers long before they fly on Kaan this can effect every other acquisition

When testing a new engine, the Russians remove one engine from a twin-engine aircraft and install the engine being tested in its place.

 

[Zafer]

When testing a new engine, the Russians remove one engine from a twin-engine aircraft and install the engine being tested in its place.

I don't mean for testing I mean before the engine is matured to a human rated state it can be used to power a twin engine 35 ton stealth bomber. One might argue that we don't have a big use case for it but if we are not paying top dollar for them we might as well make them as they can be top stealthy making a difference, giving additional capability.

 

[Yasar_TR]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

Bro, how are they going to fly a flying wing in supersonic domain? Anka-3 is a flying wing. The wing thickness will have to be so thin that it is not feasible for constructional stability if supersonic flight is expected from a flying wing.

A sans vertical stabiliser delta wing design, may be! Then you have the lack of control surfaces to give you manoeuvrability. But it is then possible. But that won’t be Anka-3.

There are NO supersonic flying wings in real life. Both Chinese H20 and B21 are subsonic aircrafts.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Bro, how are they going to fly a flying wing in supersonic domain? Anka-3 is a flying wing. The wing thickness will have to be so thin that it is not feasible for constructional stability if supersonic flight is expected from a flying wing.

A sans vertical stabiliser delta wing design, may be! Then you have the lack of control surfaces to give you manoeuvrability. But it is then possible. But that won’t be Anka-3.

There are NO supersonic flying wings in real life. Both Chinese H20 and B21 are subsonic aircrafts.

When some of our officials says that they are developing a supersonic flying wing, I feel like they don’t know what they’re talking about. Either that, or they say it for propaganda purposes. When I hear flying wing, the first things that comes to my mind are stealth and range. If for some reason you want your flying wing to be supersonic, you most probably need to put engines with afterburners on it. But then you are compromising the most important attributs I wrote above, which is stealth and range.

 

[TheInsider]

Bro, how are they going to fly a flying wing in supersonic domain? Anka-3 is a flying wing. The wing thickness will have to be so thin that it is not feasible for constructional stability if supersonic flight is expected from a flying wing.

A sans vertical stabiliser delta wing design, may be! Then you have the lack of control surfaces to give you manoeuvrability. But it is then possible. But that won’t be Anka-3.

There are NO supersonic flying wings in real life. Both Chinese H20 and B21 are subsonic aircrafts.

Anka-3 is seen as both a military asset and a testing platform for cracking new technologies (stealth, sensor positioning, flying wing stability). Maybe TUSAS will add wing tip control surfaces, maybe TUSAS will use active controlling with targeted jets on control surfaces, or maybe 2D,3D vectoring will come into the picture. TUSAS wants a highly stealth wingman that can supercruise together with KAAN. The latest idea was to turn Anka-3 into a dual-engine aircraft with stronger engines.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If for some reason you want your flying wing to be supersonic, you most probably need to put engines with afterburners on it

Not necessarily bro!
An aircraft can go supersonic without afterburners. (Supercruise). All you need is diverging nozzles. When the nozzle opens up the air going through it becomes supersonic.
In fact it is possible to go low supersonic without diverging nozzles for a short while.

Maybe TUSAS will add wing tip control surfaces, maybe TUSAS will use active controlling with targeted jets on control surfaces, or maybe 2D,3D vectoring….

Bro, those are a lot of “may be”s !
But it doesn’t detract from the fact that technically, due to below stated primary reasons taken from various articles, it just isn’t feasible to build supersonic flying wings:

1. High Drag:
A flying wing design is inherently low drag, which integrates the fuselage and the wing into a single thick airfoil shape. This results in a large frontal area. Although this is efficient for subsonic flight, it creates significant wave drag as it approaches and exceeds the speed of sound, which requires enormous power to overcome.

2. Aerodynamic Instability:
Supersonic and subsonic aerodynamics are very different. At transonic and supersonic speeds, the centre of pressure makes the aircraft very unstable and difficult to control. Flying wings don‘t have vertical and horizontal stabilizers which are critical for stability and control at supersonic speeds.

3. Design Compromises:
To overcome the drag and stability issues at supersonic speeds, a wing must be very thin and long, like the ones on the Concorde or military jets. Such a design, however, performs poorly at low speeds (takeoff and landing), requiring a high angle of attack and faster landing speeds. A "flying wing" design optimized for cargo or passenger capacity (deep and thick) inherently compromises the sleek, low-drag shape needed for supersonic flight.

4. Control Surface Challenges:
The shock waves that form at supersonic speeds can make conventional control surfaces, especially at the wingtips, ineffective or even cause them to produce the opposite of the intended response, leading to potential structural failure and loss of control.

So consequentially, the complex engineering that is needed make it impractical and close to impossible to design a stable and efficient flying wing that is capable of sustained supersonic speeds without structural deficiencies.

The only technically viable solution to this dilemma is a biderectional flying wing that is described in NASA’s related article. This aircraft can go supersonic in fig 8 flight. And subsonic in fig 9 flight. In other words it has to swivel round to go supersonic or subsonic.

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/niac_2012_phase1_zha_bidirectional_tagged.pdf