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[Huelague]

Is TIUS ANKA-4 ?

 

[Zafer]

Is TIUS ANKA-4 ?

That would be TİSU, Türk Insansız Savaş Uçağı

 

[zio]

we already have Ku-band terminals for stealth communication. ASELSAN has displayed them in this year's defence fair

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What is data rate of it?.Aselsan T-link is 1 MB/sec,that is very slow if you compare to F-35 which has more than 200 MB per second.I think link 16 has lower than 1MB/sec.

 

[Pilatino]

What is data rate of it?.Aselsan T-link is 1 MB/sec,that is very slow if you compare to F-35 which has more than 200 MB per second.I think link 16 has lower than 1MB/sec.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

Link-16, Link-22 and T-Link aren’t meant to push huge data rates.
They exist to pass small but critical stuff like tracks, IDs, shoot cues) reliably and under jamming, not to stream raw sensor data.

The “200+ MB/s F-35” number is internal sensor processing inside the jet, not what it broadcasts. Most of that data never leaves the aircraft anyway.


Here:

- Link-16 (0.015 MB/s): The post–Cold War NATO standard. Slow on paper, solid where it matters.
- Link-22 (0.05 MB/s): Basically a Link-16 upgrade, tuned for naval use and longer ranges.
- T-Link (1 MB/s): A modern national link, more flexible and higher-capacity by design. ASELSAN <3

 

[TheInsider]

Aselsan has an 80 MB/s link to send sensor data. For example, FLIR footage.

Its name is Trustlink.

TRUSTLINK 10/PP, 10 NET - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

Aselsan also develops an exclusive data link for KAAN.

 

[Quasar]

Fundemental point is if we want to focus on low observability for KIZILELMA, ANKA 3 and KAAN , (low probability of intercept/low probability of detection) directional data links i.e Millimeter Wave Systems is not an alternative to other data links but a necessity for data link communications between low observable aircrafts and in this regard ASELSAN ICNAIR is not any less important than MURAD 100 or TOYGUN and it demonstrates our dedication to low observablty

 

[boredaf]

When looked at the developments of Kizilelma, ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 in development I just hope that we did not waste $10bln for nothing.

I can't get used to the idea of EF2000, like an allergic reaction

There is no Anka-4 except for perhaps on a computer somewhere, Anka-3 is not a fighter and covers a completely different set of missions. KE even at its best would only be able to carry a fraction of EF's payload and wouldn't be able to be the work horse our air force needs.

Yeah, yours is like an allergic reaction. Illogical.

 

[Khagan1923]

When looked at the developments of Kizilelma, ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 in development I just hope that we did not waste $10bln for nothing.

I can't get used to the idea of EF2000, like an allergic reaction

ANKA-4 is nothing more than an render on the work computer of a TAI engineer. Anka-3 and Kizilelma will be limited in their capabilities until they are fitted with better engines (TF6000 and TF10000) and those engines still need a couple years until they enter serial production.

F-16 Özgür II first deliveries were supposed to be made this month and radio silence on that front.

If securing your skies and bolstering your Air Force is a "waste" than that is one I will gladly agree with.

We currently and for the near future have nothing that comes close to the package that EF + Meteor gives us.

 

[Turkic]

Let's not forget the only thing we know about Anka-4 is its name. That "design" is not a conceptual design by TAI. It's an art belonging to someone else. I will even doubt if the project is canceled or not unless @TheInsider abi says it is not.

Here is the original of the photo:

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n0xzRK

Third picture from the bottom.

 

[Nutuk]

True, a couple of years ago we also did not know about ANKA-3 and they suddenly showed a flying model.

If former CEO of TAI talked about ANKA-4 development, retired generals talk about ANKA-4 development I am inclined to believe that development is ongoing.

There is now info dripping in that the delivery of EF2000 (new ones) is 2030. Makes my allergy spike!

 

[boredaf]

If former CEO of TAI talked about ANKA-4 development, retired generals talk about ANKA-4 development I am inclined to believe that development is ongoing.

Temel Kotil also said they were going to deliver T-929 to the army this year. New ceo said they were going to deliver 10 Hürkuş to air force this year. Not only they are salesmen talking about their products but also defence industry is highly politicised in our country and used as a propaganda machine.

What they are doing is no different than what other arms of propaganda machines do, tell a lie then publish a retraction; a retraction will never, ever be seen by the same number of people who have seen your lie, so, you're in the clear.

 

[TheInsider]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

 

[Iskander]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

Such?

The Anka-3 is a great aircraft.
But I think one day you'll have to build an Anka with larger parameters. I'm not talking about the 100-ton Spirit, but something bigger than the Anka-3. There is an empty niche there.

https://tr.topwar.ru/275143-konkurent-b-21-za-zvanie-luchshego-bombardirovschika-novyj-kitajskij-samolet-h-20.html

 

[boredaf]

Such?

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The Anka-3 is a great aircraft.
But I think one day you'll have to build an Anka with larger parameters. I'm not talking about the 100-ton Spirit, but something bigger than the Anka-3. There is an empty niche there.

https://tr.topwar.ru/275143-konkurent-b-21-za-zvanie-luchshego-bombardirovschika-novyj-kitajskij-samolet-h-20.html

Chinese just flew their flying wing drone that is bigger than Anka-3.

 

[Afif]

Chinese just flew their flying wing drone that is bigger than Anka-3.

To be accurate, it's been flying since 2013. Recent footage released of production variant is a commemoration of its commissioning with PLAAF unit.

Something like that from TAI would require a bigger engine. Like F110. Other than the engine issue, there is no reason why Tusas couldn't get it done.

 

[boredaf]

Something like that from TAI would require a bigger engine. Like F110. Other than the engine issue, there is no reason why Tusas couldn't get it done.

I agree, I just mentioned the Chinese drone as an example. We really need to start developing our drones/ships/planes/whatever around engines, rather than the other way around.

 

[Zafer]

What if an early crop of the TF35000 engine get used on unmanned bombers long before they fly on Kaan this can effect every other acquisition

 

[Iskander]

What if an early crop of the TF35000 engine get used on unmanned bombers long before they fly on Kaan this can effect every other acquisition

When testing a new engine, the Russians remove one engine from a twin-engine aircraft and install the engine being tested in its place.

 

[Zafer]

When testing a new engine, the Russians remove one engine from a twin-engine aircraft and install the engine being tested in its place.

I don't mean for testing I mean before the engine is matured to a human rated state it can be used to power a twin engine 35 ton stealth bomber. One might argue that we don't have a big use case for it but if we are not paying top dollar for them we might as well make them as they can be top stealthy making a difference, giving additional capability.

 

[Yasar_TR]

As far as I know, the real Anka-4 is on the back burner. There is a bigger supersonic version of Anka-3 on the pipeline, but not on the short term.

Bro, how are they going to fly a flying wing in supersonic domain? Anka-3 is a flying wing. The wing thickness will have to be so thin that it is not feasible for constructional stability if supersonic flight is expected from a flying wing.

A sans vertical stabiliser delta wing design, may be! Then you have the lack of control surfaces to give you manoeuvrability. But it is then possible. But that won’t be Anka-3.

There are NO supersonic flying wings in real life. Both Chinese H20 and B21 are subsonic aircrafts.