TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Terrain]

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL?

What do you mean we don't need companies competing with each other? Stop chaining TAI down TAI is not your toy. Baykar will take over TAI if TAI doesn't wake up. I repeat TAI won't be able to compete in future if it goes like this. Who decided that TAI should stay with manned aircrafts? If it's Temel Kotil he needs to retire for the good of the nation, and I'm not joking.

Baykar is a private company so the state own TAI has to back down for someone elses fathers son and not earn for the people.

Remember what happen to Aselsan, they've developed unmanned turrets for private company FNSS and what did FNSS do at the end they started developing their own turrets, and then Aselsan moved on to the armoured vehicles field with Aselsan Korhan and what did Baykar do didn't it enter missile sector to compete with Roketsan.

 

[Terrain]

WAS BAYKAR THINKING ABOUT ROKETSAN WHEN DEVELOPING KEMANKESH CRUISE MISSILE????

 

[Terrain]

Now, some might think FNSS and Baykar are evil because of this.
But I don't want to be misunderstood, they are just doing what they meant to do, which is competing but what about TAI? I know Aselsan wont back down.
Most will end up with the conclusion that TAI is chained because of people behind back doors. Which might be, but I believe Temel Kotil has created this imaginary limitation on it's self due to Selcuk being Erdogans you know what. You are TAI for god sake you have the whole nation on your side just punch through all barriers go to the next level, you don't need rules or limitations. If only imaginary chains set us free and we could all see what TAI was made of, but I understand because chains are there because life is precious.

 

[Zafer]

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL?

What do you mean we don't need companies competing with each other? Stop chaining TAI down TAI is not your toy. Baykar will take over TAI if TAI doesn't wake up. I repeat TAI won't be able to compete in future if it goes like this. Who decided that TAI should stay with manned aircrafts? If it's Temel Kotil he needs to retire for the good of the nation, and I'm not joking.

Baykar is a private company so the state own TAI has to back down for someone elses fathers son and not earn for the people.

Remember what happen to Aselsan, they've developed unmanned turrets for private company FNSS and what did FNSS do at the end they started developing their own turrets, and then Aselsan moved on to the armoured vehicles field with Aselsan Korhan and what did Baykar do didn't it enter missile sector to compete with Roketsan.

Do you want TEI to Crush Kale Arge in turbine development?

Field allocation is a policy of SSB.

We can not waste our resources by duplicating work.

Only when companies have a superior technology can they be allowed to duplicate but not for technologies that are no better than the other.

 

[boredaf]

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL?

What do you mean we don't need companies competing with each other? Stop chaining TAI down TAI is not your toy. Baykar will take over TAI if TAI doesn't wake up. I repeat TAI won't be able to compete in future if it goes like this. Who decided that TAI should stay with manned aircrafts? If it's Temel Kotil he needs to retire for the good of the nation, and I'm not joking.

Baykar is a private company so the state own TAI has to back down for someone elses fathers son and not earn for the people.

Remember what happen to Aselsan, they've developed unmanned turrets for private company FNSS and what did FNSS do at the end they started developing their own turrets, and then Aselsan moved on to the armoured vehicles field with Aselsan Korhan and what did Baykar do didn't it enter missile sector to compete with Roketsan.

WAS BAYKAR THINKING ABOUT ROKETSAN WHEN DEVELOPING KEMANKESH CRUISE MISSILE????

Now, some might think FNSS and Baykar are evil because of this.
But I don't want to be misunderstood, they are just doing what they meant to do, which is competing but what about TAI? I know Aselsan wont back down.
Most will end up with the conclusion that TAI is chained because of people behind back doors. Which might be, but I believe Temel Kotil has created this imaginary limitation on it's self due to Selcuk being Erdogans you know what. You are TAI for god sake you have the whole nation on your side just punch through all barriers go to the next level, you don't need rules or limitations. If only imaginary chains set us free and we could all see what TAI was made of, but I understand because chains are there because life is precious.

Take a deep breath lad then go outside and touch some grass. You are raving like a lunatic.

 

[Kitra]

The odd thing is TAI is idle when Baykar is pushing full force towards unmanned fighters, and that is their mistake for taking Baykar and aerospace industry lightly.
In my opinion, TAI could with a little modification can transform KAAN in to a unmanned 6th gen fighter. Just like that.
But I understand because we are not used to taking advantage of an easy solution we do it after it hits us that is why we label our people as clean hearted.

But it shouldn't be at this level.

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There is only so many things such as Gökbey, Atak2, T629, Hurjet, Hurkus, Aksungur, Anka 3, KAAN and ton of other projects such as f35 partnership a single company can do at the same time. All this within the last 5 years.

Furthermore, how do you know that TIA is not developing unmanned fighter drones? I can see that Anka 3 can be a usefull platform for such future development similar to Boeing NGAD. They just need the experience of Anka 3 to take it to the next level.

So, TIA develope NGAD Anka while Baykar developes NGAD KE. Both are conceptionally different solutions for air supperiority fighters. This is pure competition as well as complementing each other since they serve different missions.

Finally, it would be stupid to take KAAN and make it unmanned since a drone is fundamentally different from a manned aircraft. A drone simply has a totally different set of critical priorities such as low cost, software and networking. So you would get a better solution if you start a new project which from the start is designed to be a drone than just removing a cockpit.

 

[Huelague]

Is it possible steer an unmanned aircraft from a flight simulator?

 

[Terrain]

To think limitation is better option because there is only so much a company can do is higher risk than going full force ahead because fighter jet technology is going towards unmanned direction. All I want is for them to be better and to be in the know of where technology will be at. If they don't use this opportunity to come up with as many products as they can in that field is then them being gullible if not bad intentioned.
But most will be busy celebrating and not seeing the reason why some are going full force in all directions and some are limiting their main field, but isn't it true that life is what the loudest voice on TV pumps and not what it suppose to be. That is why I understand you all, you just want to be fending for a man that you think is a underdog because that is what the loudest voice have said and we are in cycle of you are right, you are wrong because we are being played we are the ones that need to brake the mould.

 

[Baryshx]

Is it possible steer an unmanned aircraft from a flight simulator?

As I have mentioned in other forums, my dream is something like this. Joint control with AI or just AI...

 

[Terrain]

Do you want TEI to Crush Kale Arge in turbine development?

Field allocation is a policy of SSB.

We can not waste our resources by duplicating work.

Only when companies have a superior technology can they be allowed to duplicate but not for technologies that are no better than the other.

Field allocation should be between state (TSKGV) companies not private.

 

[Zafer]

Field allocation should be between state (TSKGV) companies not private.

You need to allow private companies to thrive otherwise you get the MKEK of the old times which makes state companies unproductive. SSB is doing a good job at keeping the defense industry vibrant.

 

[Baris]

They think limitations are ok hopefully it wouldn't be the end of the main field of a company.
All I want is TAI of 2030 to not be shocked when it saw Baykar producing a 6th gen unmanned heavy fighter and SSB had to cancel KAAN because of budget allocation and KAAN being obsolete. Most will think I am a bad guy and are in defense mode and are numb to what is coming but all I wanted was for you lot to see why is that like that. I respect you for having an opinion and you might be right but can you see where I am coming from Zafer?

Selcçuk Bayraktar announced that after Kızılelma they will be focusing on space, obviously things can change. But Baykar doesn't seem to have a new project after Kızılelma, for now, they will most likely continue upgrading Kızılelma.

 

[Zafer]

They think limitations are ok hopefully it wouldn't be the end of the main field of a company.
All I want is TAI of 2030 to not be shocked when it saw Baykar producing a 6th gen unmanned heavy fighter and SSB had to cancel KAAN because of budget allocation and KAAN being obsolete. Most will think I am a bad guy and are in defense mode and are numb to what is coming but all I wanted was for you lot to see why is that like that. I respect you for having an opinion and you might be right but can you see where I am coming from Zafer?

TAI is a state company, the military chain of procurement orders TAI to make the products and TAI make them. While Baykar is a private company; its owners have a vision and they make the plane in their vision. Turkish military foresee the future within confines of what is achievable with technology that Türkiye can afford in the time frames they set while Baykar is not required to deliver any predefined product. Baykar can deliver what they can achieve and if the customers like it they will buy it.

 

[Quasar]

You think I'm just a clown, how can KAAN be obsolete it's brand new so hats off and heads shaven after seeing you be the guy that is trying to make us think that you are taking the speed of the competition and the industry lightly, but I can see through you, you are an ill intentioned deceitful agent.
If only they could see how much I am suffering while trying to explain this, that Baykar is not playing and has no brakes. So why should we as TAI have brakes as TAI belongs to all of us.
If the masses could see that they have been played and allocations have stopped their tax money from going to the right directions. Not because Baykar is Erdogans you know what. But also because Baykar has bad intentions, and is not playing, or looking at SSB allocations chart, as they could change that just like that. If only our people could be free and see through the daily struggle of putting food on the table and finally say it as it is. That is why I feel for them that is why this silent cry because life is not fair as it doesn't give it takes.

what you see as KAAN, KIZILELMA and ANKA 3 are just Aerodynamic shells, Certainly Both TAI and Baykar's hands are full at least for a decade or two and more

 

[TheInsider]

After Kızılelma Baykar will focus on a better Kızılelma, space systems, and Baykar is also considering a stealth TB-2/3-like drone.

 

[Ahlatshah]

All want to relieve is the unmanned fighter jet from TUSAŞ which is the last goal for their path as they've shown a couple of years ago. I'm sure it will be better than Kızılelma in terms of stealthy and capabilities. I can't imagine KAAN and Kızılelma flying together because KAAN will be super stealth at the end but I have my doubts about Kızılelma. Yes I'm proud of baykar and the family but if TUSAŞ decides not to make a similar thing to Kızılelma... Noone can explain it to me! That means we are corrupted as f.

That means many people like me will be sure about their doubts and open their eyes. I even question why Anka 1 won't be on TCG Anadolu with TB3? Look at Mojave UAV and Anka 1 TAI could do the necessary modifications faster then TB3 design.

Oh, then again. Tusaş vs Baykar, that is why I quit following trmilitary. Hundreds of times has been explained but here we are. You guys are unbelievable

 

[Pilatino]

Oh, then again. Tusaş vs Baykar, that is why I quit following trmilitary. Hundreds of times has been explained but here we are. You guys are unbelievable

Do you mean everybody's wrong except you? If everyone is saying something that means there's a problem. Nobody is enemy of anything here. We just want to see things are okay in our country.

 

[Heartbang]

You think I'm just a clown, how can KAAN be obsolete it's brand new so hats off and heads shaven after seeing you be the guy that is trying to make us think that you are taking the speed of the competition and the industry lightly, but I can see through you, you are an ill intentioned deceitful agent.
If only they could see how much I am suffering while trying to explain this, that Baykar is not playing and has no brakes. So why should we as TAI have brakes as TAI belongs to all of us.
If the masses could see that they have been played and allocations have stopped their tax money from going to the right directions. Not because Baykar is Erdogans you know what. But also because Baykar has bad intentions, and is not playing, or looking at SSB allocations chart, as they could change that just like that. If only our people could be free and see through the daily struggle of putting food on the table and finally say it as it is. That is why I feel for them that is why this silent cry because life is not fair as it doesn't give it takes.

Baykar is not our "enemy". It is as Turkish as it gets. And them not playing is beneficial for our military industrial complex.
People riling up against Baykar are doing so under the guise of their foreign masters. They want Baykar to suffocate and die because it is much harder to conduct sabotage against a private venture like Baykar as opposed to a foundation/state company like TAI.

Even if Baykar did as you described (which is an absurd proposition in of itself, and i hate you making me write about such boll*cks) and pushed TAI into irrelevance in the fixed-wing aircraft, TAI won't just fizzle out into nothingness. They are THE company on rotary-wing aircraft development in Turkiye. They will be A-OK.

Also, AFAIK, 5th gen aircraft are designed with upgradability in mind. So KAAN won't be outdated from the get-go, its impossible for it to be.

 

[Zafer]

Maybe in 15-20 years from today once both TAI and Baykar are cashed up and experienced in what they are making they can be in full competition to get government tenders but today they are like teenager humans they need to be nurtured and supported to get to success. This should not be hard to grasp.

 

[Ahlatshah]

Do you mean everybody's wrong except you? If everyone is saying something that means there's a problem. Nobody is enemy of anything here. We just want to see things are okay in our country.

Everybody wrong, enemy? I didnt say such things, What are you talking about?