TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Corvus]

Without Turkiye what security do they have? These clowns were constantly on the run from Russian, Assadist forces, Iranian Shia death squads. Turkish backing and intervention kept them alive. Not to mention the massive social, economic and political cost Turkiye endured over their civil war.

No one expects one sided loyalty, what you don't expect is for these clowns to screw Turks at every opportunity. Without Turkish backing their future would be no different to what the Palestinians experience today.

I mean how stupid can they be? Shaft the one nation that kept them alive, kept them in the game and gave them the victory? Political Islamists are nearly always clowns, absolute and total degenerates parading as holy men.

step by step these "islamists" are behaving and looking more and more like western intelligence assets. No bases in the south of Syria, its not going to be Turkiye's job to get between them and Isreal. The north where our security is critical fine, but the south f'k em.

Who said they will be without Türkiye? We are the most influential country in Syria right now as it is repeatedly declared by Trump and the Israelis.

Some of the figures that are directly in our payroll appointed to critical positions in the new government, especially in security structure. (Such as Fehim İsa)

Do you think they are talking about their favorite TV show here?

Those "clowns" and "political islamists" won the war against all the odds and enemies yet you, a random forum user, claim that they are stupid because you saw some social media posts.

Imagine, you still have sanctions and embargoes on your country, you can provide only 2 hours of electricity in your capital, the previous regime remnants are active, Iran is looking forward to create a mess, Hezbollah is at you border, Israel is giving ultimatums and slowly occupying, the USA still didn't officially recognize your legitimacy, Russia demands bases, the Druze declaring autonomy, the SDF doesn't want to dissolve, there are many other armed groups supported by God knows who, ISIS is expecting at bay to be activated...

And then, you have random Turkish social media users calling you stupid clowns because you demand 150 dollars visa fee.

This arrogance combined with ignorance is killing me.

The world doesn't revolve around us and Syria is no exception. They are walking on a tight rope and they couldn't care less about satisfying your Turkish-centric fantasies.

Syria's security, including the South is directly our concern in the new picture. This is what realities on the ground dictate. Not because we love them or they owe us anything.

 

[TR_123456]

Syria's security, including the South is directly our concern in the new picture. This is what realities on the ground dictate. Not because we love them or they owe us anything.

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

 

[GoatsMilk]

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

If their willing to screw us minor things, its moronic to think they wont screw us on the bigger picture. I get these non-Turks feel nothing when the Turks are targeted or insulted, but we seen the reality of their capabilities in the field time and time again. Pure dog shit.

No Turkiye and those non-Turk islamists are finished with exceptional ease. This guy is trying to fool us that they were able to win the war on their own capabilities. Nonsense.

Leave the islamists to their own fate in the south if they insist on insulting the Turkish people, our interest is to secure the north. Got no time for these kinds of shitheads.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Who said they will be without Türkiye? We are the most influential country in Syria right now as it is repeatedly declared by Trump and the Israelis.

Exactly, so why screw on such minor things. Why insult us?

Some of the figures that are directly in our payroll appointed to critical positions in the new government, especially in security structure. (Such as Fehim İsa)
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So whats the plan target the Turkmen in Syria? Is that the AK party plan?

Do you think they are talking about their favorite TV show here?

Those "clowns" and "political islamists" won the war against all the odds and enemies yet you, a random forum user, claim that they are stupid because you saw some social media posts.

Turkish military capability won the war. When these Islamists were running to the Turkish border it was the Turkish militaries intervention that saved them. It was the Turkish military organisation that made them a force capable of winning. Who do you think jammed all of Assad's communications as just one example.

Imagine, you still have sanctions and embargoes on your country, you can provide only 2 hours of electricity in your capital, the previous regime remnants are active, Iran is looking forward to create a mess, Hezbollah is at you border, Israel is giving ultimatums and slowly occupying, the USA still didn't officially recognize your legitimacy, Russia demands bases, the Druze declaring autonomy, the SDF doesn't want to dissolve, there are many other armed groups supported by God knows who, ISIS is expecting at bay to be activated...

And then, you have random Turkish social media users calling you stupid clowns because you demand 150 dollars visa fee.

Listen to you, for the very reason they have so many threats and its only Turkiye capable of keeping them away that they shouldn't be screwing us at all.

This arrogance combined with ignorance is killing me.

The world doesn't revolve around us and Syria is no exception. They are walking on a tight rope and they couldn't care less about satisfying your Turkish-centric fantasies.

Syria's security, including the South is directly our concern in the new picture. This is what realities on the ground dictate. Not because we love them or they owe us anything.

To the contrary they owe us everything. That regime wouldnt exist without Turkiye Assad would place his balls in their mouths as the Russians take em from behind. Allahu Akbar! And i'm not even joking, just read what was taking place in Assads torture prisons.

And thats the thing, were not asking them for anything really, were just not expecting them to screw us. Its not like we behaved like Trump and are making a 500 billion dollar demand on them for support in a war that hasnt been won yet. The Syrian war was won unlike Ukraine.

But lets see how things transpire, so far what i'm seeing and hearing from them is not positive.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894396697398198318

syrian islamists always remember the zionists don't f'k around.

 

[Corvus]

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

 

[Corvus]

Exactly, so why screw on such minor things. Why insult us?



So whats the plan target the Turkmen in Syria? Is that the AK party plan?

Turkish military capability won the war. When these Islamists were running to the Turkish border it was the Turkish militaries intervention that saved them. It was the Turkish military organisation that made them a force capable of winning. Who do you think jammed all of Assad's communications as just one example.



Listen to you, for the very reason they have so many threats and its only Turkiye capable of keeping them away that they shouldn't be screwing us at all.



To the contrary they owe us everything. That regime wouldnt exist without Turkiye Assad would place his balls in their mouths as the Russians take em from behind. Allahu Akbar! And i'm not even joking, just read what was taking place in Assads torture prisons.

And thats the thing, were not asking them for anything really, were just not expecting them to screw us. Its not like we behaved like Trump and are making a 500 billion dollar demand on them for support in a war that hasnt been won yet. The Syrian war was won unlike Ukraine.

But lets see how things transpire, so far what i'm seeing and hearing from them is not positive.

They are not insulting or screwing us. It is just our overly dramatic people doing their usual thing of "osuruktan nem kapmak".

They are not targeting the Turkmens. In fact, no group that is based on a certain ethnicity was invited to the meeting. That includes the Druze, the Kurds and the rest. Instead, individuals from these ethno-based organizations were invited simply for being Syrian. That is what you have to do if you want to establish a unitary state. Did Atatürk invite groups in the name of "Kurds" or "Arabs" when he established the unitary Turkish state? If you stop focusing on such details that nobody cares, you can see that many Turkmen commanders are given ranks in the new military establishment. That doesn't have any significance to you?

You keep insulting "the islamists" yet you seem to forget it is the "islamists" ruling Türkiye, thus TSK at the moment. Whatever TSK did or does is a result of orders given by the islamist commander-in-chief. Those islamist Turks and Syrians won the war against Iran and Russia while our secular nationalists were still hoping to shake hands with Assad. Lol. Let's not forget Karabagh was taken back from the Armenians during the reign of the islamists in Türkiye, with drones that is built by the islamists.

When it's time to fight, you’re nowhere to be found, but when victory comes, you show up with demands—and still have the audacity to be dissatisfied.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

I've always said on here that its critical that Turkiye and her military moves into Syria. Builds her defences up and in many ways becomes the front line of defence moving forward. However that does not mean you get bent over and screwed. If Syria were to continue on a path where they keep affronting Turkiye then questions will have to be raised. Such as do we risk bases in the south in which the isrealis could target, setting our nation up for direct conflict with the entire western axis. I'm not asking for much, im just asking for respect and to behave with honour and dignity.

Let me go one step forward I've also said time and time again on this forum and if you don't believe me search my posts that Turkiye has to expand her military presence, not because im interested in empire but i understand the reality requires it. The further our army presence expands the safer the Turkish nation becomes. I've said if were building an empire its only in reaction to nations trying to harm us. Its why were in Iraq, its why were in Libya, its why were in Syria, its why were in many others places. It naturally has to continue as long as certain nations threaten our sovereignty.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

Yes, you don't need to preach the obvious to me. I've said many times on here that Isreal will expand and expand and eventually it will come down to Turkiye. But that doesn't mean that the nation you saved, the regime that came into power off your back should disrespect us. And if they continue to do it, the danger there is they will screw us in the most dangerous and sensitive of times. I know it in the people around me, those who do minor things to you will always end up doing major things against you. Honourable people at a minimum get the basics, the simple stuff right in relationships.

If for example i knew they would betray us, i would not risk bases in the south that open us up in the short to mid term coming into direct conflict with Isreal. In war timing can be everything. I would rather give it another 20 years of development then risk short term war over an entity that may be total garbage. All i want is loyalty and honour from those who are depending on us. Not KRG style treachery where their entire existence is based on Turkiye yet at every opportunity they promote the pkk and greater kurdistan.

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

I never said Turkiye had no business in Syria, to the contrary ive always said that at minimum the entire north should probably come under Turkish control to contain the PKK threat. I think you are seeing what you want to see. If the syrian government remains decent and loyal to Turkiye then go all the way.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

may mistake its me who thought this was for me, either way its my position.

 

[GoatsMilk]

They are not insulting or screwing us. It is just our overly dramatic people doing their usual thing of "osuruktan nem kapmak".

It could be, but i feel like im starting to see a pattern. Time will tell.

They are not targeting the Turkmens. In fact, no group that is based on a certain ethnicity was invited to the meeting. That includes the Druze, the Kurds and the rest. Instead, individuals from these ethno-based organizations were invited simply for being Syrian. That is what you have to do if you want to establish a unitary state. Did Atatürk invite groups in the name of "Kurds" or "Arabs" when he established the unitary Turkish state? If you stop focusing on such details that nobody cares, you can see that many Turkmen commanders are given ranks in the new military establishment. That doesn't have any significance to you?

Its difficult because really since the start of the war even AK party did f'k all to help them. So it falls inline with that anti-Turkish Islamist agenda taking place within Turkiye herself.

You keep insulting "the islamists" yet you seem to forget it is the "islamists" ruling Türkiye, thus TSK at the moment. Whatever TSK did or does is a result of orders given by the islamist commander-in-chief. Those islamist Turks and Syrians won the war against Iran and Russia while our secular nationalists were still hoping to shake hands with Assad. Lol. Let's not forget Karabagh was taken back from the Armenians during the reign of the islamists in Türkiye, with drones that is built by the islamists.

When it's time to fight, you’re nowhere to be found, but when victory comes, you show up with demands—and still have the audacity to be dissatisfied.

Islamists for the most part are garbage and Turkiye has been ran into the shitter under them. Nearly all of them are just western controlled proxies, just like FETO. Their own claim to fame (AK PARTY) is the one institution they did everything to destroy, the army. Now, former Isis affiliates may be the kind of people you trust, their the kind of people i would shit on.

 

[TR_123456]

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

What dont you get?
Syria's territorial integrity was lost the minute we stopped our first Syria operation back in 2016 and it will never be an issue again,Syria will fall into pieces as planned by others.
What you see now,the so called liberation of Syria is just a farce/fake.
In a year this HTS government will be declared terrorists.
Trump wont take his troops out,he will reinforce them with more troops and better weapons.
The YPG will eventually declare independence,Noth-East and East.
Some parts of the South will go to Israel.
We will keep the parts we have in the North.
The rest will be declared the caliphate of whatnot goverened by HTS.

All your statements about lack of intelligence,narrow minded blah blah statements are just excuses for your only intentions.
You want Türkiye to confront Israel in Syria which will not happen so you can keep dreaming about it.
Türkiye is not the savior of the Muslim world,let those affected by Israel's actions do the confronting.
So,dont come to me with Syria's territorial integrity and lack of intelligence.

Btw,why is the Syrian government buying its own oil(territorial integrity) from YPG?
Why didnt anyone object to that?

 

[GoatsMilk]

What dont you get?
Syria's territorial integrity was lost the minute we stopped our first Syria operation back in 2016 and it will never be an issue again,Syria will fall into pieces as planned by others.
What you see now,the so called liberation of Syria is just a farce/fake.
In a year this HTS government will be declared terrorists.
Trump wont take his troops out,he will reinforce them with more troops and better weapons.
The YPG will eventually declare independence,Noth-East and East.
Some parts of the South will go to Israel.
We will keep the parts we have in the North.
The rest will be declared the caliphate of whatnot goverened by HTS.

All your statements about lack of intelligence,narrow minded blah blah statements are just excuses for your only intentions.
You want Türkiye to confront Israel in Syria which will not happen so you can keep dreaming about it.
Türkiye is not the savior of the Muslim world,let those affected by Israel's actions do the confronting.
So,dont come to me with Syria's territorial integrity and lack of intelligence.

Btw,why is the Syrian government buying its own oil(territorial integrity) from YPG?
Why didnt anyone object to that?

The hardon to confront Isreal is something Kurdish and Arab Islamists in Turkiye are desperate for. Turks must not fall into this trap. Isreal for a long time to come is going to decimate her neighbours, this battle is not ours to fight in the short or mid term, most likely it will come to ahead in the long term. But a lot can change 40 years from now.

But i do know this, trying to confront Isreal in the short term is suicidal.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Btw,why is the Syrian government buying its own oil(territorial integrity) from YPG?
Why didnt anyone object to that?

Unless that's a short term tactic to buy time, its basically defacto acceptance of the YPG region as a Kurdish political entity with autonomy.

Its part of the reason why i say the things that are happening are not looking good. But only time will tell if they fully transpire.

 

[Corvus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894443732382224840