TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[TR_123456]

Syria's security, including the South is directly our concern in the new picture. This is what realities on the ground dictate. Not because we love them or they owe us anything.

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

 

[GoatsMilk]

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

If their willing to screw us minor things, its moronic to think they wont screw us on the bigger picture. I get these non-Turks feel nothing when the Turks are targeted or insulted, but we seen the reality of their capabilities in the field time and time again. Pure dog shit.

No Turkiye and those non-Turk islamists are finished with exceptional ease. This guy is trying to fool us that they were able to win the war on their own capabilities. Nonsense.

Leave the islamists to their own fate in the south if they insist on insulting the Turkish people, our interest is to secure the north. Got no time for these kinds of shitheads.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Who said they will be without Türkiye? We are the most influential country in Syria right now as it is repeatedly declared by Trump and the Israelis.

Exactly, so why screw on such minor things. Why insult us?

Some of the figures that are directly in our payroll appointed to critical positions in the new government, especially in security structure. (Such as Fehim İsa)
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So whats the plan target the Turkmen in Syria? Is that the AK party plan?

Do you think they are talking about their favorite TV show here?

Those "clowns" and "political islamists" won the war against all the odds and enemies yet you, a random forum user, claim that they are stupid because you saw some social media posts.

Turkish military capability won the war. When these Islamists were running to the Turkish border it was the Turkish militaries intervention that saved them. It was the Turkish military organisation that made them a force capable of winning. Who do you think jammed all of Assad's communications as just one example.

Imagine, you still have sanctions and embargoes on your country, you can provide only 2 hours of electricity in your capital, the previous regime remnants are active, Iran is looking forward to create a mess, Hezbollah is at you border, Israel is giving ultimatums and slowly occupying, the USA still didn't officially recognize your legitimacy, Russia demands bases, the Druze declaring autonomy, the SDF doesn't want to dissolve, there are many other armed groups supported by God knows who, ISIS is expecting at bay to be activated...

And then, you have random Turkish social media users calling you stupid clowns because you demand 150 dollars visa fee.

Listen to you, for the very reason they have so many threats and its only Turkiye capable of keeping them away that they shouldn't be screwing us at all.

This arrogance combined with ignorance is killing me.

The world doesn't revolve around us and Syria is no exception. They are walking on a tight rope and they couldn't care less about satisfying your Turkish-centric fantasies.

Syria's security, including the South is directly our concern in the new picture. This is what realities on the ground dictate. Not because we love them or they owe us anything.

To the contrary they owe us everything. That regime wouldnt exist without Turkiye Assad would place his balls in their mouths as the Russians take em from behind. Allahu Akbar! And i'm not even joking, just read what was taking place in Assads torture prisons.

And thats the thing, were not asking them for anything really, were just not expecting them to screw us. Its not like we behaved like Trump and are making a 500 billion dollar demand on them for support in a war that hasnt been won yet. The Syrian war was won unlike Ukraine.

But lets see how things transpire, so far what i'm seeing and hearing from them is not positive.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894396697398198318

syrian islamists always remember the zionists don't f'k around.

 

[Corvus]

No,Türkiye's security is our concern.
The only reality is that we need to get rid of the PKK from our southern border.
If the Syrians want to align with the Gulf Arabs then let them handle the South of Syria.
What are you trying to justify here?
And yes why ask a country Visa fees when that country fed your people for almost 15 years?
This is an insult!

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

 

[Corvus]

Exactly, so why screw on such minor things. Why insult us?



So whats the plan target the Turkmen in Syria? Is that the AK party plan?

Turkish military capability won the war. When these Islamists were running to the Turkish border it was the Turkish militaries intervention that saved them. It was the Turkish military organisation that made them a force capable of winning. Who do you think jammed all of Assad's communications as just one example.



Listen to you, for the very reason they have so many threats and its only Turkiye capable of keeping them away that they shouldn't be screwing us at all.



To the contrary they owe us everything. That regime wouldnt exist without Turkiye Assad would place his balls in their mouths as the Russians take em from behind. Allahu Akbar! And i'm not even joking, just read what was taking place in Assads torture prisons.

And thats the thing, were not asking them for anything really, were just not expecting them to screw us. Its not like we behaved like Trump and are making a 500 billion dollar demand on them for support in a war that hasnt been won yet. The Syrian war was won unlike Ukraine.

But lets see how things transpire, so far what i'm seeing and hearing from them is not positive.

They are not insulting or screwing us. It is just our overly dramatic people doing their usual thing of "osuruktan nem kapmak".

They are not targeting the Turkmens. In fact, no group that is based on a certain ethnicity was invited to the meeting. That includes the Druze, the Kurds and the rest. Instead, individuals from these ethno-based organizations were invited simply for being Syrian. That is what you have to do if you want to establish a unitary state. Did Atatürk invite groups in the name of "Kurds" or "Arabs" when he established the unitary Turkish state? If you stop focusing on such details that nobody cares, you can see that many Turkmen commanders are given ranks in the new military establishment. That doesn't have any significance to you?

You keep insulting "the islamists" yet you seem to forget it is the "islamists" ruling Türkiye, thus TSK at the moment. Whatever TSK did or does is a result of orders given by the islamist commander-in-chief. Those islamist Turks and Syrians won the war against Iran and Russia while our secular nationalists were still hoping to shake hands with Assad. Lol. Let's not forget Karabagh was taken back from the Armenians during the reign of the islamists in Türkiye, with drones that is built by the islamists.

When it's time to fight, you’re nowhere to be found, but when victory comes, you show up with demands—and still have the audacity to be dissatisfied.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

I've always said on here that its critical that Turkiye and her military moves into Syria. Builds her defences up and in many ways becomes the front line of defence moving forward. However that does not mean you get bent over and screwed. If Syria were to continue on a path where they keep affronting Turkiye then questions will have to be raised. Such as do we risk bases in the south in which the isrealis could target, setting our nation up for direct conflict with the entire western axis. I'm not asking for much, im just asking for respect and to behave with honour and dignity.

Let me go one step forward I've also said time and time again on this forum and if you don't believe me search my posts that Turkiye has to expand her military presence, not because im interested in empire but i understand the reality requires it. The further our army presence expands the safer the Turkish nation becomes. I've said if were building an empire its only in reaction to nations trying to harm us. Its why were in Iraq, its why were in Libya, its why were in Syria, its why were in many others places. It naturally has to continue as long as certain nations threaten our sovereignty.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

Yes, you don't need to preach the obvious to me. I've said many times on here that Isreal will expand and expand and eventually it will come down to Turkiye. But that doesn't mean that the nation you saved, the regime that came into power off your back should disrespect us. And if they continue to do it, the danger there is they will screw us in the most dangerous and sensitive of times. I know it in the people around me, those who do minor things to you will always end up doing major things against you. Honourable people at a minimum get the basics, the simple stuff right in relationships.

If for example i knew they would betray us, i would not risk bases in the south that open us up in the short to mid term coming into direct conflict with Isreal. In war timing can be everything. I would rather give it another 20 years of development then risk short term war over an entity that may be total garbage. All i want is loyalty and honour from those who are depending on us. Not KRG style treachery where their entire existence is based on Turkiye yet at every opportunity they promote the pkk and greater kurdistan.

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

I never said Turkiye had no business in Syria, to the contrary ive always said that at minimum the entire north should probably come under Turkish control to contain the PKK threat. I think you are seeing what you want to see. If the syrian government remains decent and loyal to Turkiye then go all the way.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

may mistake its me who thought this was for me, either way its my position.

 

[GoatsMilk]

They are not insulting or screwing us. It is just our overly dramatic people doing their usual thing of "osuruktan nem kapmak".

It could be, but i feel like im starting to see a pattern. Time will tell.

They are not targeting the Turkmens. In fact, no group that is based on a certain ethnicity was invited to the meeting. That includes the Druze, the Kurds and the rest. Instead, individuals from these ethno-based organizations were invited simply for being Syrian. That is what you have to do if you want to establish a unitary state. Did Atatürk invite groups in the name of "Kurds" or "Arabs" when he established the unitary Turkish state? If you stop focusing on such details that nobody cares, you can see that many Turkmen commanders are given ranks in the new military establishment. That doesn't have any significance to you?

Its difficult because really since the start of the war even AK party did f'k all to help them. So it falls inline with that anti-Turkish Islamist agenda taking place within Turkiye herself.

You keep insulting "the islamists" yet you seem to forget it is the "islamists" ruling Türkiye, thus TSK at the moment. Whatever TSK did or does is a result of orders given by the islamist commander-in-chief. Those islamist Turks and Syrians won the war against Iran and Russia while our secular nationalists were still hoping to shake hands with Assad. Lol. Let's not forget Karabagh was taken back from the Armenians during the reign of the islamists in Türkiye, with drones that is built by the islamists.

When it's time to fight, you’re nowhere to be found, but when victory comes, you show up with demands—and still have the audacity to be dissatisfied.

Islamists for the most part are garbage and Turkiye has been ran into the shitter under them. Nearly all of them are just western controlled proxies, just like FETO. Their own claim to fame (AK PARTY) is the one institution they did everything to destroy, the army. Now, former Isis affiliates may be the kind of people you trust, their the kind of people i would shit on.

 

[GoatsMilk]

What dont you get?
Syria's territorial integrity was lost the minute we stopped our first Syria operation back in 2016 and it will never be an issue again,Syria will fall into pieces as planned by others.
What you see now,the so called liberation of Syria is just a farce/fake.
In a year this HTS government will be declared terrorists.
Trump wont take his troops out,he will reinforce them with more troops and better weapons.
The YPG will eventually declare independence,Noth-East and East.
Some parts of the South will go to Israel.
We will keep the parts we have in the North.
The rest will be declared the caliphate of whatnot goverened by HTS.

All your statements about lack of intelligence,narrow minded blah blah statements are just excuses for your only intentions.
You want Türkiye to confront Israel in Syria which will not happen so you can keep dreaming about it.
Türkiye is not the savior of the Muslim world,let those affected by Israel's actions do the confronting.
So,dont come to me with Syria's territorial integrity and lack of intelligence.

Btw,why is the Syrian government buying its own oil(territorial integrity) from YPG?
Why didnt anyone object to that?

The hardon to confront Isreal is something Kurdish and Arab Islamists in Turkiye are desperate for. Turks must not fall into this trap. Isreal for a long time to come is going to decimate her neighbours, this battle is not ours to fight in the short or mid term, most likely it will come to ahead in the long term. But a lot can change 40 years from now.

But i do know this, trying to confront Isreal in the short term is suicidal.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Btw,why is the Syrian government buying its own oil(territorial integrity) from YPG?
Why didnt anyone object to that?

Unless that's a short term tactic to buy time, its basically defacto acceptance of the YPG region as a Kurdish political entity with autonomy.

Its part of the reason why i say the things that are happening are not looking good. But only time will tell if they fully transpire.

 

[Corvus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894443732382224840

 

[Corvus]

Their own claim to fame (AK PARTY) is the one institution they did everything to destroy, the army.

Do I understand this right? You think Turkish Army was in a better condition before the "islamists"?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Do I understand this right? You think Turkish Army was in a better condition before the "islamists"?

Do you mean this in terms of equipment, competence or potency?

TSK has always been quite a potent and feared force. After the war of independence it has proved itself as capable in every single engagement. It crushed Kurdish rebellions in the early republic era, its reputation arguably made it easier to regain Hatay, it took half of Cyprus with ease and launched many effective cross-border operations in the 90s.

It has always been both competent and potent.

Then came FETÖ, who silently creeped in and was BACKED by Erdoğan. This was thr first major setback. And now we have Erdoğan trying to get his dirty hands into the military to make sure that troops are loyal to him. Competence isn't important, loyalty is much more valuable to dictators, many examples of this around the world. Even the mighty Russian military has been reduced to utter shit because Putin favors loyalty over everything else. We need to be extremely wary of this.

Furthermore, whilst TSK was feared throughout prior decades, due to Erdoğan's strategy of appeasement and constant barking, no one really sees us as a threat anymore, despite the performance we seen back in 2020. A big part of this is Erdoğan's reluctance to launch an operation due to the risk of further destroying the economy.

If we're talking about equipment, TSK was generally up to date when it came to our fighter fleet. Now we're a generation behind and our neighbors, including Israel are building up a fleet of stealth fighters, whilst we're shopping for more 4th gen fighters.

We're still using M48s, M60s and naked leopards. A lot of our APCs are old, really we've mainly just added Kirpis into the inventory, whilst waiting for BMC to be able to produce new tanks and IFVs. Our troops have had outdated armor for years because Erdoğan wants to fill the pockets of his ally. So yeah, even on land, we're pretty behind in comparison to a lot of NATO members.

Our defence industry only restarted in the 1970s. By the 90s, we were producing Cobras, ballistic missiles, MLRS, etc. A lot of these entered the inventory rapidly.

Being in this region, with a constant threat of war, and TSK being so integral, the defence industry has progressed as it should. A lot of major projects we have now have been in the pipeline for decades.

Of course our defence industry is stronger now, did we really expect it to go backwards? It has been funded by OYAK, TSKGV, has constant feedback from the military and has the benefit of being backed the brainpower of the most educated nation in the middle east, maybe second to Israel. This is all under threat now, if Erdoğan gets his way we'll lose a lot of our advantages because all he cares about is loyalty and votes. We've seen thr brain drain, with a lot of our top talent being snapped up by USA and EU.


So to answer your question, TSK has gained some capabilities it previously lacked, but currently has a fleet of fighter jets that's not capable of taking on our advereries, is less feared to Erdoğan's fear of economic collapse, has probably taken some hits to competency because of Erdoğan's desire to keep the military loyal to him, instead of promoting staff due to competency. We've just modernized like most other militaries have, are you seriously going to compare our currently inventory to that of the 80s and 90s, no shit it's going to be better, technology has evolved. Yes we have some exciting programs ahead, yes we pioneered drone warfare, but our wings are clipped and if we're not careful we'll up like Russia. Personally, I don't see it happening, but we really do have Putin 2.0 and that's not a good thing.

I'm still very impressed with the progress of our defence industry, but Erdoğan and his tribe need to fucking go.

 

[Ryder]

Every state, in order to protect its interests, must first strengthen itself and then weaken its potential rivals. We are living in an era where realism dominates, international norms are eroding, and these realities are laid bare before us. In such a period, arguing that Türkiye should not be involved in Syria is neither logical nor strategic. Saying so, whether knowingly or unknowingly, serves the interests of other actors in the region, and ultimately jeopardizes the future of our children and grandchildren.

From the moment the Syrian revolution succeeded, Syria’s security, stability, and territorial integrity became Türkiye’s primary national security concern. Any factor that undermines this stability poses a direct threat to Türkiye. And we are not the only ones who recognize this—our adversaries are well aware of it too. The current Israeli government and their Evangelical allies in the U.S. are not pursuing pragmatic policies but rather messianic ones. Israeli ministers openly express their ambitions over Cairo, Damascus, and Aleppo. Israel’s security doctrine includes explicit military preparations against a so-called "Türkiye threat."

In such a scenario, claiming that Türkiye has no business in a region just 300 kilometers south of its border—a region it ruled from Istanbul for 400 years—is nothing short of serving Israeli interests. To say that Türkiye must cleanse Syria of the PKK while simultaneously ignoring Israel’s overt support for the PKK and arguing that Türkiye has no role in Syria’s south can only be attributed to one of three things: betrayal, ignorance, or a lack of intelligence. Netanyahu and Israeli ministers openly seek to dismantle Syria’s unitary structure, create new actors, and use them as a strategic threat against Türkiye. Given these facts, insisting that "Türkiye has no role in southern Syria" is a display of blindness.

As someone who closely follows Israeli media and social media, I have lost count of the number of articles, podcasts, and broadcasts produced against Türkiye in recent months—all in favor of the PKK. And these are not just from non-state actors but from official state institutions as well. Israel is actively positioning itself against Türkiye.

Given this reality, failing to view Syria as a whole and merely advocating for a PKK cleanup is an astonishingly narrow vision and a strategic blunder. If we want Syria to remain intact, ensure stability, and facilitate the return of refugees, we must defend Syria as a whole. There is no alternative. Regardless of any potential government change in Türkiye, realpolitik will inevitably compel the country to maintain this stance.

Finally, Türkiye imposes a visa requirement on Syrians as well. A multiple-entry visa currently costs around 13,000 TL. I expect however, in few years, we won't even need a passport to enter Syria and vice versa.

Indeed man lets not forget how Israel killed Turkish citizens in international waters.

Also recently killed a Turkish girl.

I warned Azerbaijanis a lot of times too not to get close with Israel. They should treat their relations as geopolitics not like some alliance.

When the time comes the Jews along with the Zionists will easily prop up Armenia if it suits them.

Turkiye needs to play the long game. Lets hope China grows more strong distracts the USA. Usa is already pulling in the towel on the Middle East and Europe. As they are pivoting to the Asia-Pacific.

But man that Zionist lobby is pretty strong that even porn companies and only fans support aipac. Because their owners are Jewish.

Us Turks have always been a martial people but not industrious or the kind of people who want to make money plus we also go by honour and conduct.

People fighting against the enemy behind peoples backs is seen as dishonourable. Both Pre Islamic and Post Islamic times.

Jews dont have that sense of conduct. Their matters has always been about making money rather than fighting. Hence why they took up pretty powerful positions.

Even in Islamic World they took up pretty high positions. Even Ataturk did not like how the Greeks, Armenians and Jews controlled the Turkish economy.

 

[begturan]

Turkey's priority over Syria is to destroy the PKK,
The Syrian government's priority is to be recognized by world states and quickly get its economy back on its feet,
America and Israel's goal is to occupy Damascus and establish connections with the PKK.

America, Israel and Western countries are pressuring the new Syrian government to compromise with the PKK, presenting this as a precondition for lifting the embargo on Syria, and are also insisting that the Syrian government act independently of Turkey.

Although the Syrian government appears to be acting independently of Turkey, it has not bowed to America's demands regarding the PKK,

This is why the Druze were revolted south of Damascus, Israel continues its invasion towards Damascus, and Israel accused the Syrian government of being terrorists just yesterday.

When you put all these together, it is easier to understand the picture.

 

[Ryder]

Turkey's priority over Syria is to destroy the PKK,
The Syrian government's priority is to be recognized by world states and quickly get its economy back on its feet,
America and Israel's goal is to occupy Damascus and establish connections with the PKK.

America, Israel and Western countries are pressuring the new Syrian government to compromise with the PKK, presenting this as a precondition for lifting the embargo on Syria, and are also insisting that the Syrian government act independently of Turkey.

Although the Syrian government appears to be acting independently of Turkey, it has not bowed to America's demands regarding the PKK,

This is why the Druze were revolted south of Damascus, Israel continues its invasion towards Damascus, and Israel accused the Syrian government of being terrorists just yesterday.

When you put all these together, it is easier to understand the picture.

Druze are the useful dogs of Israel.

Not surprised really their entire history is always collarborating with the invaders.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Turkey's priority over Syria is to destroy the PKK,
The Syrian government's priority is to be recognized by world states and quickly get its economy back on its feet,
America and Israel's goal is to occupy Damascus and establish connections with the PKK.

America, Israel and Western countries are pressuring the new Syrian government to compromise with the PKK, presenting this as a precondition for lifting the embargo on Syria, and are also insisting that the Syrian government act independently of Turkey.

Although the Syrian government appears to be acting independently of Turkey, it has not bowed to America's demands regarding the PKK,

This is why the Druze were revolted south of Damascus, Israel continues its invasion towards Damascus, and Israel accused the Syrian government of being terrorists just yesterday.

When you put all these together, it is easier to understand the picture.

The most important thing to the survival of the new syrian administration and the state remaining in once piece is Turkiye.

This new admin has been achieved 100% because of Turkish support. We don't need to go into the past, its clear the burden and risk Turkiye endured to keep the rebel movement alive. Lets not forget that we had both the US and Russia threatening war against us. Only nation on earth whose had both the US and Russia threatening them at the same time.

The Syrian governments priority is survival, after that its about getting recognised by world states. Just like the Turkish Cypriots their priority was survival, after that is world recognition. No world recognition, yet for the most part they live just fine in a peaceful Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus.

Lets just presume tomorrow the Turkish/Syrian relationship is completely broken and Turks do not support Syria anymore. Syria is finished. Why? Without Turkiye who can stop the american backed pkk project in the north? Without Turkiye who can build the syrian nation to hold back Isreal? Without Turkiye or rather that relationship with Turkiye what leverage does Syria have against her enemies?

Like i said before i suspect part of the reason the Syrians are talking again with the Russians to return is not out of love, its to pressure the west to lift sanctions. Don't lift sanctions then ill go with Russia again. I also suspect that their dealings with the PKK traitors is also to buy time. But for all the good things, ive seen many things that bring doubts. But i've also been saying from day one that time will tell. But the middle east is notorious for this kind of behaviour, this lack of honour and dignity. That Iranian style of politics where they try to kill you today but tomorrow they can pretend they are your best friends. Utterly shameless and so alien to traditional Turk character. You can see this shameless middle eastern behaviour on here at times when posters are whimsical about Turks or Turkish identity. That identity kept Turks strong and united throughout history and the positive externality of that for the wider Muslim world was that Turks as Muslims kept Islamic civilisation strong and safe.

But lets look at this from our enemies eyes concerning Syria? If i'm the USA, EU, Russia, Isreal, Iran, Shia death squads etc, the most important thing is to break the connection between Turkiye and Syria. To drag the Syrians out far enough into ocean, where then they will be left alone to drown. This strategy was also used on the Turkish Cypriots, to make them hate the motherland. Fortunately Turkish Cypriots learning of the wests true nature, of the greeks true nature seem to be reverting course. Even the Azerbaijanis saw that many of them were living an illusion concerning the west in their last war when they saw how one sided the narrative was against them in the west.

Most important thing for Syria is their "alliance" with Turkiye, the rest is worthless without Turkiye. Without Turkiye whatever they think they are chasing is no more then smoke and mirrors.

And if worst comes to worst and the western world will not lift sanctions against Syria, then Syria should form with Turkiye. We can go back to how it had been for the prior 1000 years before world war 1. Actually this idea should start being expressed at somepoint if the westerners insist on keeping sanctions on syria, what a nightmare that would be for them. Plotting to balkanise the region only for the region to unite with Turkiye making the most powerful Muslim majority nation in the region even bigger.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894705458750836927

 

[IC3M@N FX]

As a Turk of Kurdish origin, I would welcome it if the PKK/YPG were finally disbanded. They have caused nothing but trouble and mistrust for both Turks and Kurds, whether in Turkey, Iraq or Syria, and have caused countless senseless deaths in the region.
If you let Apo out of his exile, you are at the same time spitting on the graves of all the innocent people who have died in this insane conflict (The German news is talking about it).
That would really send the wrong signal, it would cause even more strife than it would solve.
I didn't understand why these people fought against their own people and their brother people anyway, so many people died for nothing, it's just a shame.
The release should not be negotiable, this guy disgusts me. I read a few lines of his doctrine in Wikipedia the man is a radical communist through and through.....And a puppet for both the West and the East.

 

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Kazakistan recognized Greek Cyprus .