TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Anastasius]

"He destroyed the Caliphate!"

Have these morons ever opened a history book and realized that the reason that the Caliphate was abolished was because nobody wanted to f**king lead it? By the time Ataturk established the Republic, it was a purely ceremonial position with even less power than a random Catholic bishop that nobody in the wider Muslim world listened to. But who am I kidding, those aren't real accounts, they are just bots or likely trolls on foreign payroll. Likely Gulf monarchs and their masters who really, really want the Gulf tyrants to be the central "authority" on Sunni Islam worldwide.

 

[Barry]

You only have to watch speakers corner on youtube to see that these people actually exist in the wild

 

[Iskander]

The Swiss publication Die Weltwoche also joined in the hymns of praise for Erdogan.



(Erdogan's photo should have been here.
But considering the large number of his opponents
on the forum, I didn't publish it )




"Ingenious ability to avoid falling out with any party: statesman Erdogan"


Francis Pike
"Erdogan the Great

The Turkish president masterfully juggles power, religion, the economy, and global politics. He could go down in history as his country's great reformer.
Mehmed the Conqueror (1444–1481), the Ottoman ruler who sealed the end of the Byzantine Empire; Suleyman the Magnificent (1520–1566), the Sultan of Turkey's Golden Age; Selim the Cruel (1512–1520), who wrested the Caliphate from the Egyptian Mamluks in 1517; and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (1923–1938), who won the Turkish War of Independence in 1921 and subsequently secularized the country—these are Turkey's great historical rulers. Will its current president, Recep Tayyib Erdogan, also be on this list? Well, maybe. Longevity often goes hand in hand with greatness. And Erdogan, who is now in his 23rd year in power...»
"PRESIDENT ERDOGAN HAS SHOWED THAT HE IS NOT A PARTNER TO BE UNDERESTIMATED," the article says.

Erdogan der Grosse: Der türkische Präsident jongliert virtuos mit Macht, Religion, Wirtschaft und Weltpolitik. Er könnte als grosser Erneuerer seines Landes in die Geschichte eingehen

Mehmed der Eroberer (1444–1481), der ottomanische Herrscher, der das Ende des Byzantinischen Reichs besiegelte; Süleyman der Prächtige (1520–1566), der Sultan des Goldenen Zeitalters der Türkei; Selim der Grausame (1512–1520), der 1517 den ägyptischen Mamluken das Kalifat entwand; und Mustafa...

weltwoche.ch

 

[Barry]

Always a worry when Europe sings his praises tbh.

 

[GoatsMilk]

"He destroyed the Caliphate!"

Have these morons ever opened a history book and realized that the reason that the Caliphate was abolished was because nobody wanted to f**king lead it? By the time Ataturk established the Republic, it was a purely ceremonial position with even less power than a random Catholic bishop that nobody in the wider Muslim world listened to. But who am I kidding, those aren't real accounts, they are just bots or likely trolls on foreign payroll. Likely Gulf monarchs and their masters who really, really want the Gulf tyrants to be the central "authority" on Sunni Islam worldwide.

50+ Muslim majority nations are all welcome to declare themselves the new caliphate, even isis did it. But the reality is the caliphate means nothing without economic, political and military power behind it.

The first problem isn't that a "caliph" doesn't exist, the real problem is that no Muslim majority nation is anywhere near being a super power. If Turkiye was a super power, by all means lets claim the title of caliph too. Back then Ottoman sultans were Khans, Emperors, Padishahs, endless titles they would claim for themselves, but it only means something if there is power behind it.

Muslims nations are far too weak and far too technologically and economically backward to bring any weight to caliph claims.

Imagine your going to declare yourself caliph of the Islamic world while your airforce relies on American fighter jets. Ridiculous.

 

[Asena_great]

"He destroyed the Caliphate!"

Have these morons ever opened a history book and realized that the reason that the Caliphate was abolished was because nobody wanted to f**king lead it? By the time Ataturk established the Republic, it was a purely ceremonial position with even less power than a random Catholic bishop that nobody in the wider Muslim world listened to. But who am I kidding, those aren't real accounts, they are just bots or likely trolls on foreign payroll. Likely Gulf monarchs and their masters who really, really want the Gulf tyrants to be the central "authority" on Sunni Islam worldwide.

this is an excuse arab nationalist created to shit on Ataturk ! since few Turks know arabic very few people can go and search their archive to see what happend in the otherside ! let me Enlighten everyone here ! when caliphate was still standing arabs didnt listen to the caliph and even under Ottoman rule they kept killing each other for hundreds of years ! Ottomans didnt have a solid grasp over arab lands until mahmud ii centralised the power. There was also an arabic news paper in Egypt at the time when caliphate abolished, it wrote in it's first page that finally there is 1 thing muslim world agree on and united that is abolishment of caliphate ! !

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911686073811394560

Cucks. Also it would have been EU pressure that forced their hands. For the benefit of trade with the EU they made them humiliate themselves. If the EU had the power to destroy Turkiye, it would.

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911686073811394560

Cucks. Also it would have been EU pressure that forced their hands. For the benefit of trade with the EU they made them humiliate themselves. If the EU had the power to destroy Turkiye, it would.

Is there an official statement?

 

[Strong AI]

Is there an official statement?

Cyprus Detail in Joint Declaration

An important element in the EU’s process of establishing this platform with Central Asian countries has turned out to be its relations with the Republic of Cyprus, as revealed in the EU-Central Asia Joint Declaration announced on April 4.

In Article 4 of the declaration, it was emphasized that the parties are committed to respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all states in international and regional forums, and that no steps will be taken that would violate this principle.

In this context, the EU and Central Asian countries reaffirmed their strong commitment to UN Security Council Resolutions 541 (1983) and 550 (1984), noting that the development of their mutual relations is also dependent on adherence to this principle.

Following the Turkish Cypriots’ declaration of the establishment of a separate state on November 15, 1983, the UN Security Council condemned the move with Resolutions 541 and 550, and called for the reversal of this decision.

In the same resolutions, the Security Council called on other UN member states not to recognize the declaration of secession. To date, no country other than Turkey has recognized Northern Cyprus.

By signing the Samarkand Summit, the three Central Asian states have also declared a significant commitment to complying with UN resolutions in the future.

Kazakistan, Türkmenistan ve Özbekistan neden Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti'ne büyükelçi atadı? - BBC News Türkçe

Türkiye'nin büyük önem verdiği Türk Devletleri Teşkilatı'nın (TDT) üç önemli üyesinin Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti ile diplomatik ilişki tesis edip büyükelçi ataması, Ankara'nın Kıbrıs politikasını nasıl etkileyecek?

www.bbc.com

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911686073811394560

Cucks. Also it would have been EU pressure that forced their hands. For the benefit of trade with the EU they made them humiliate themselves. If the EU had the power to destroy Turkiye, it would.

I don't think this is just for trade. They're trying to distance themselves from AKPs influence. I bet some really ugly things have happened behind closed doors.

It's sad that it has gotten to this point, especially as the OTS was founded by Kazakhstan for the Turkic World's unity. Right now Türkiye is behaving the same way Pakistan was in the 90s, trying to Islamize the Turkic nations. In fact, the US employed Türkiye to do the same against Arab nations in the cold war (AKP are remnants of this), but it all started with the good friend KSA.

Put your seatbelts on, gonna be a really bumpy few years of foreign policy nightmares under Fidan, the same guy who was the head of MİT when we had a coup attempt and had countless terror attacks.

Fucking shame.

Now we have a bunch of non-Turks celebrating that a our ethnic Kurdish foreign minister has fucked up relations with the Turkic countries. Meanwhile he advocates peace with PKK. What a joke.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665104437856153602

Meanwhile Binali Yildirim is the "Aksakal" of the OTS

I'm just going to stop talking about this government, the problem is obvious. If you choose to ignore it you've already picked your side.

 

[Asena_great]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911686073811394560

Cucks. Also it would have been EU pressure that forced their hands. For the benefit of trade with the EU they made them humiliate themselves. If the EU had the power to destroy Turkiye, it would.

this is an absolute disaster that will eco for generations this type of things is exactly what i was worrying about !

 

[No Name]

I don't think this is just for trade. They're trying to distance themselves from AKP influence. I bet some really ugly things have happened behind closed doors.

It's sad that it has gotten to this point, especially as the OTS was founded by Kazakhstan for the Turkic World's unity. Right now Türkiye is behaving the same way Pakistan was in the 90s, trying to Islamize the Turkic nations. In fact, the US employed Türkiye to do the same against Arab nations in the cold war (AKP are remnants of this), but it all started with the good friend KSA.

Put your seatbelts on, gonna be a really bumpy few years of foreign policy nightmares under Fidan, the same guy who was the head of MİT when we had a coup attempt and had countless terror attacks.

Fucking shame.

Now we have a bunch of non-Turks celebrating that a our ethnic Kurdish foreign minister has fucked up relations with the Turkic countries. Meanwhile he advocates peace with PKK. What a joke.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665104437856153602

Meanwhile Binali Yildirim is the "Aksakal" of the OTS

I'm just going to stop talking about this government, the problem is obvious. If you choose to ignore it you've already picked your side.

It's not just because of AKP and Islamism the Stans were always going to do this Kazakhstan has been letting the Chinese government kidnap Uyghurs and ethnic Kazaks alike, while Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are doing nothing to help the Uzbek and Turkmen who are suffering at the hands of the Pashtuns.

People treat this as some great defeat, but the truth is that the stans might not even be around in a hundred years as both climate change and artificial disasters are going to destabilise the region greatly.

Russia is already planning on annexing parts of Kazakstan, and the US will most likely support it as they will see it as a way to flip Russia against China, while the Europeans will do nothing hell; some may support it as they did with Armenia. The rivers that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan rely on are being diverted by the Taliban. That is part of why they are targeting the local Turkic population.

The only good thing about those countries is that they can be a source of Turkic people to help fight against Turkey's aging population. Other than that, they are worthless countries that are doomed.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

It's not just because of AKP and Islamism the Stans were always going to do this Kazakhstan has been letting the Chinese government kidnap Uyghurs and ethnic Kazaks alike, while Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are doing nothing to help the Uzbek and Turkmen who are suffering at the hands of the Pashtuns.

People treat this as some great defeat, but the truth is that the stans might not even be around in a hundred years as both climate change and artificial disasters are going to destabilise the region greatly.

Russia is already planning on annexing parts of Kazakstan, and the US will most likely support it as they will see it as a way to flip Russia against China, while the Europeans will do nothing hell; some may support it as they did with Armenia. The rivers that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan rely on are being diverted by the Taliban. That is part of why they are targeting the local Turkic population.

The only good thing about those countries is that they can be a source of Turkic people to help fight against Turkey's aging population. Other than that, they are worthless countries that are doomed.

The Turkic Stans are doing just fine, apart from Turkmenistan, our version of North Korea. Türkiye is the key to everything and their launchpad into the wider world. Stans need Türkiye to survive, but they're not a burden.

The Stans were looking up to Türkiye several years ago. After the 2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia war, the entire Turkic world was proud and everybody held their heads high. Türkiye's drones and Azerbaijan's fight inspired everyone from the western edge of the Turkic world to the Sakhas in Siberia.

Optimism was in the air and everything was going well until AKP changed its image for the 5th(?) time, leaving Turkish nationalism and pan-Turkism, back to Islamism and cooperation with PKK to get Kurdish votes.

This has had dire consequences. This isn't just a cosmetic change, they've done a complete 180. The shuffling of the cabinet may have something to do with this.

 

[No Name]

The Turkic Stans are doing just fine, apart from Turkmenistan, our version of North Korea. Türkiye is the key to everything and their launchpad into the wider world. Stans need Türkiye to survive, but they're not a burden.

The Stans were looking up to Türkiye several years ago. After the 2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia war, the entire Turkic world was proud and everybody held their heads high. Türkiye's drones and Azerbaijan's fight inspired everyone from the western edge of the Turkic world to the Sakhas in Siberia.

Optimism was in the air and everything was going well until AKP changed its image for the 5th(?) time, leaving Turkish nationalism and pan-Turkism, back to Islamism and cooperation with PKK to get Kurdish votes.

This has had dire consequences. This isn't just a cosmetic change, they've done a complete 180. The shuffling of the cabinet may have something to do with this.

Yes, they need Turkey, and yes, AKP is also to blame for being shit at foreign policy, but there is no future for them long term. That is why I'm not too surprised with the outcome. Turkey shouldn't expect much from them. It should only use them for its national interest and siphon off the stan's growing population.

 

[Ryder]

Our so called Central Asian "Brothers"

Backstabbing us oh well when Russia comes knocking on the door.

I hope Turkiye pulls the middle finger.

Closest will get to Turkic unity is with Azerbaijan. You dont have people like Elchibeys in any of the Central Asian countries.

Tajiks actually performed much better than the Kyrgz in the latest skirmish. Thats how piss poor Central Asian Turkic militaries are.

We can all blame Erdogan and Akp all we like. At the same time time you have your Muslim brothers and Turkic brothers all backstabbing you at the same time.

Maybe its best Turkiye puts its interests first before any deluded bullshit union.

Drop hayals and come back to reality. This is a good lesson we all learn. Geopolitics does not care about our feelings.

 

[TheInsider]

It is sad, but it is an expected outcome. Turkiye doesn't have the economic capacity to lead a Turkic organization. Military capacity is also a big question mark. I believe Central Asian Turkic states did the right thing. They gained independence recently, they are rediscovering their national identity. 30 years ago speaking Russian was a privilege and speaking any Turkic language was shunned. They were dirt poor and only slightly improved in this time frame. Their population is low compared to their countries sizes. They need to tackle down those problems first before any Turkic entity can take place. They also know Russia will come for them after the Ukraine. Their realistic options are China, which will enslave them in a different manner, and the EU. Unfortunately, Turkiye is not a realistic option in the near to mid-term.

Turkiye will also gain a lot from this as energy and trade routes passes from Turkiye. Right now EU and Turkiye are trying to come together under EU security infrastructure.


They should get the EU money, grow their economy, increase their industrial capacity, create dependencies with the EU like energy, natural minerals etc. so that they can later use them as bargaining chips. They should continue reforms like adopting the Latin alphabet and strengthening national identity. Once EU gives money and those complex relations are established EU can't take spent money back and annul everything but those countries can change their official attitude against TRNC in the future. Azerbaijan is different though. Once the issue with Armenia is resolved, Azerbaijan can fully recognize TRNC. Azerbaijan is already in an advanced level relationship with TRNC, and it is just shy of official recognition.

I said this in the past, and I'm saying it again now. Some kind of EU like Turkic Union is at least 50 years ahead. Until we are strong enough to protect Turkic states from Russian aggression and provide an alternative for EU investments.

 

[GoatsMilk]

It is sad, but it is an expected outcome. Turkiye doesn't have the economic capacity to lead a Turkic organization. Military capacity is also a big question mark. I believe Central Asian Turkic states did the right thing. They gained independence recently, they are rediscovering their national identity. 30 years ago speaking Russian was a privilege and speaking any Turkic language was shunned. They were dirt poor and only slightly improved in this time frame. Their population is low compared to their countries sizes. They need to tackle down those problems first before any Turkic entity can take place. They also know Russia will come for them after the Ukraine. Their realistic options are China, which will enslave them in a different manner, and the EU. Unfortunately, Turkiye is not a realistic option in the near to mid-term.

Turkiye will also gain a lot from this as energy and trade routes passes from Turkiye. Right now EU and Turkiye are trying to come together under EU security infrastructure.


They should get the EU money, grow their economy, increase their industrial capacity, create dependencies with the EU like energy, natural minerals etc. so that they can later use them as bargaining chips. They should continue reforms like adopting the Latin alphabet and strengthening national identity. Once EU gives money and those complex relations are established EU can't take spent money back and annul everything but those countries can change their official attitude against TRNC in the future. Azerbaijan is different though. Once the issue with Armenia is resolved, Azerbaijan can fully recognize TRNC. Azerbaijan is already in an advanced level relationship with TRNC, and it is just shy of official recognition.

I said this in the past, and I'm saying it again now. Some kind of EU like Turkic Union is at least 50 years ahead. Until we are strong enough to protect Turkic states from Russian aggression and provide an alternative for EU investments.

If Turkiye ceased to exist, those nations in time would also perish. The central Asian Turkic states for their long term survival need Turkiye to succeed, they need her to grow and become strong. Europeans couldnt do shit for Ukraine, the idea that they will do shit for Turkic nations in central Asia is a pipe dream. However, we look at this, these Turkic nations disgraced themselves and played a position that harms the Turkish Cypriots and undermines the Turkish state. Undermining the Turkish state ultimatly undermines the Turkic central asian states.

But lets put that all aside, this is yet again another hostile action taken by the EU to undermine Turkiye. We are hitting a point where it may actually be in our geopolitical interest that Russia wins the war in Ukraine. What good is it to us for Ukraine to win, then enter the EU. The EU got bigger and stronger while a rival of hers got weaker. It may actually be that Russia winning the war is bad the option, while ukraine winning is the worse option. The EU in the long term is a dangerous threat and i have no doubts if it ever creates an EU army it will first be deployed against Turkiye.

We may have to ask ourselves if the time to support Russia makes geopolitical sense.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Not just Turkic states, our other allies are behaving weirdly too

Qatar participated in a military exercise with Israel hosted by Greece

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-air-force-participated-with-qatar-in-aerial-exercises-hosted-by-greece/

Despite Turkish Protest, Sarajevo’s National Theatre to Stage “Six Against Turkey” Tonight - Sarajevo Times

Following formal objections from the Turkish Embassy, as well as protests from the Association of the Movement of “Mothers of the Enclaves of Srebrenica and Žepa” and the “Women of Podrinje,” the National Theatre in Sarajevo confirmed at a press conference today that the play Six Against Turkey...

sarajevotimes.com

 

[Zoth]

I'm reading some comments with confusion, everyone is blaming "AKP's shitty foreign policy" but no one is explaining what was done wrongly and what should've been done instead of those mistakes.

I'm not sure what could AKP or Turkey could done to reverse the situation in their favor when the said countries chose to oppose Turkey just for 12 fucking billions euros. I'm not judging them or blaming them, every sovereign nation can choose whatever route it wants to go, but every choice also has consequences. There is nothing Turkey can do to win the CA Turkic countries because their choice all boils down in money, there is no way that Turkey can outbid the EU in terms of funding and money, but Turkey could provide something even better in the long term, regional co-operation which is possible due to geography, how these CA countries wish to reach to EU? Through Russia? Good luck with that. Through Azerbaijan? Also good luck with that after what they have done recently.

(US backed "new spice route- silk road")

They basically killed the middle corridor's future for just 12 fucking billions, Turkey will find alternatives but i'm not that realistic about those countries.
And this forces Turkey to accept what the USA wants, we will have to accept the modern "spice route" that reaches Europe starting from India and goes through Middle East and Turkey.


It will either the spice route, or the new China-Russia route in the North that will be sucessful.

 

[contricusc]

I know my opinion will not be popular on this forum, but I think Turkey is doing a big geopolitical mistake by insisting on a failed project (the so called TRNC).

Accusing Central Asian nations of “treason” for recognizing reality is simply wrong. Why would they sacrifice their potential economic ties with the EU for a separatist enclave that is not recognized by any other country except for Turkey?

At this point in time, the TRNC is a liability for Turkey, because it ruins any potential upgrade in relations with the EU, while offering no benefit. Turkey needs to move on, after 50 years since the Cyprus war. Why not let the Republic of Cyprus to reunite as a single sovereign state where all citizens ar equal regardless of ethnicity? This would also benefit the Turkish Cypriots, as they will be EU citizens with the many benefits that come with it. There would also be a huge influx of investment into Northern Cyprus if it would be reunited with the Republic of Cyrpus.

It is simply bad foreign policy to sabotage a EU member state for no real gain. Any potential improvement in EU-Turkish relations is held back by the Cyprus issue, which could be so easily resolved by Turkey, if only it would allow for Cyprus to reunite under equal terms (not the ridiculous proposal of the Annan Plan).

All Turkish Cypriots would be better off because they would become EU citizens, and there would be a lot of foreign investment in Northern Cyprus, while Turkey will be able to improve its relations with the EU.

Clinging onto a failed project will only damage Turkey’s geopolitical long term prospects.