TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Huelague]

And the same muslims destroyed our entire contingent during the WW1, Turks have no obligation to muslims because they sold some gold stuff and sent the money, soviets gave us artillery pieces should we parrot the same thing like you? "During national struggle russians gave us weapons!!!"

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend, muslims won't die for you just like westerners keep that ottomanism dreams alive while living in italy

Don’t come up with the same stupid arguments . Arab did this Arabs done that. Grow up. Take off complexes and your aversion against Arabs. State institutions and interests doesn’t work that way. If even Germans and Jews can be “friends”, we should be able to be partners with Arabs.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Interesting article...

Israel's New Defense Shield: The Mecca Pact - SyriacPress

By Suphi Aksoy On 7 August, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey signed the Mecca Joint Defense Agreement. This alliance, which will carry out a variety of tasks, will also include other countries in the future. Discussions and efforts to establish a Sunni military structure have been ongoing for...

syriacpress.com

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

Don’t come up with the same stupid arguments . Arab did this Arabs done that. Grow up. Take off complexes and your aversion against Arabs. State institutions and interests doesn’t work that way. If even Germans and Jews can be “friends”, we should be able to be partners with Arabs.

Truth hurts

 

[Corvus]

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend

The absurdity of claiming to be a nationalist while insisting that Turkey is “Western” shows a tragic identity crisis. You have to be ignorant of an extraordinary number of historical, cultural, and civilizational realities at the same time to arrive at such a cartoonishly wrong conclusion.

What I see in you, and in certain parts of Turkish society, is precisely this identity crisis: a rejection of our actual heritage, culture, and history in an attempt to identify with a civilization against which we spent much of our history defining ourselves. There is a deep contradiction in trying to call this nationalism while simultaneously distancing oneself from the very historical and cultural foundations that shaped Turkish identity.

I call this the Turkish tragedy: the desire to belong to an enemy civilization by denying much of what made us who we are.

 

[Ryder]

And the same muslims destroyed our entire contingent during the WW1, Turks have no obligation to muslims because they sold some gold stuff and sent the money, soviets gave us artillery pieces should we parrot the same thing like you? "During national struggle russians gave us weapons!!!"

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend, muslims won't die for you just like westerners keep that ottomanism dreams alive while living in italy

Hahaha I live in a Western country by the way go to any Australian say that Turkiye is a European and Western country they will laugh at your face.

 

[Corvus]

Turks gain a lot by being in NATO. Can you deny this?

1) I'm not against NATO.
2) We gain a lot by by being in the Mecca Alliance (such as a nuclear umbrella against Israel) and it is just the beginning. If it is all about gains and we are going to gain, would you be ok with this alliance?

Turks do not want to die for westerners or for Islamist. We only want to die for our own kin. Same as the Europeans, Asians, Chinese, Arabs and so on.

3) Speak for yourself. You are not a spokesman for the Turks.
4) What gave you the idea that a defensive pact means dying for the others? I'm struggling to believe someone can have such low comprehension skills.

But , for you people, it's "racist" for Turks to not want to die for Arabs/Islamist?

5) I don't represent any "people" here. I don't know what imaginary group you are involving me in.
6) Nobody wants to die for the others and that's not an alliance is.

All the "ideas" you have is based on imaginary enemies, cartoonish slogans and empty rhetorics. I would suggest you to read some international press and academic sources to save yourself from the tiny echo chamber you think is the world.

 

[Ryder]

The absurdity of claiming to be a nationalist while insisting that Turkey is “Western” reveals a profound identity crisis. You have to be ignorant of an extraordinary number of historical, cultural, and civilizational realities at the same time to arrive at such a cartoonishly wrong conclusion.

What I see in you, and in certain parts of Turkish society, is precisely this identity crisis: a rejection of our actual heritage, culture, and history in an attempt to identify with a civilization against which we spent much of our history defining ourselves. There is a deep contradiction in trying to call this nationalism while simultaneously distancing oneself from the very historical and cultural foundations that shaped Turkish identity.

I call this the Turkish tragedy: the desire to belong to an enemy civilization by denying much of what made us who we are.

He also has a picture of Arkan. Arkan's atrocities makes isis even israel look like school children.

Not to mention all those Serb militias in the Yugoslav wars called themselves Turk hunters.

100% this is Manomed who got banned here so many times.

 

[Corvus]

I seriously wonder what type of childhood brainwashing you'd need in order to want to die for Arabs without a second thought.

Who is talking about dying for Arabs? This is an actual question. Please show me a single person in the whole internet advocating this.

Arabs are the minority of the current Mecca Alliance btw. There are 7 times more Pakistanis and 3 times more Turks than Arabs.

A person having no problem with allying Greece thinks allying with Pakistanis and Saudis is "dying for the Arabs". Maybe you should take a look at a mirror to see who is the brain washed.

 

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[Ryder]

Who is talking about dying for Arabs? This is an actual question. Please show me a single person in the whole internet advocating this.

Arabs are the minority of the current Mecca Alliance btw. There are 7 times more Pakistanis and 3 times more Turks than Arabs.

A person having no problem with allying Greece thinks allying with Pakistanis and Saudis is "dying for the Arabs". Maybe you should take a look at a mirror to see who is the brain washed.

Well the pact has Israel and Iran butthurt.

I think thats a genuine win in foreign policy. Saudi Arabia most likely wanted this pact because of their weakness against the UAE.

 

[Corvus]

Interesting article...

Israel's New Defense Shield: The Mecca Pact - SyriacPress

By Suphi Aksoy On 7 August, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey signed the Mecca Joint Defense Agreement. This alliance, which will carry out a variety of tasks, will also include other countries in the future. Discussions and efforts to establish a Sunni military structure have been ongoing for...

syriacpress.com

"It poses no threat to Israel and clears the way for more Abraham Accords."

An article that is written by someone who clearly doesn't follow Israel at all. He could at least use an AI tool to make a summary of negative statements coming out from the Israeli politicians and the press about the issue.

 

[Corvus]

Islam is one hell of a drug

Just pumps out mercenaries for Arabs and destroys the host country's language and culture

I bet Jews see most Muslims as the ultimate goy

Well Turks conquered half of the world, alongside with Constantinople, had its peak in every metric imaginable and established one of the greatest empires of the history using that drug. You must hate Turks if you are against this.

 

[Corvus]

I remember a post here, but forgot who posted it. Basically the post in question stated that people who believes in some sort of Muslim unity (the Ummah) don’t understand the concept of a sovereign nation with it’s own borders. They want to unit all the Muslim countries under the same umbrella, and for that to happen you’ll have to completely erase the concept of nations and borders, so in essence the state. And if you are against these view they just call you a nationalist like above.

Are you not a nationalist?

 

[I_Love_F16]

Are you not a nationalist?

I would rather call myself patriotic rather than a nationalist.

 

[Corvus]

Our Islamists are celebrating the fact we're about to let PKK terrorists that happen to be extremely pro Zionist by the way to walk freely in our streets. How exactly do you expect people to react to this?

They're "Islamists" "Muslims" call them whatever you want.. but they all seem to celebrate our enemies... so many will lash out and say things that might come across "xenophobic" but thats a natural reaction.

Also why do you always bring up Europeans into every argument? Why do we care if Anglos like Muslims or not. Why do we care if Europeans are this or that? I get the feeling you just hate Europeans and want an excuse to bash them .. or am I missing something?

PKK, ideologically, is not a zionist group. Öcalan himself called out Israel many times. They are ideologically leftist-communists and they even cooperated with PLO in the past. However, especially in Syria, they developed a pragmatic partnership with the USA&Israel thinking that they could establish a statelet there. Turkish state is aware of this fact and they used Öcalan to take PKK away from the Israeli influence. Hence, their plans collapsed.

The ones that are eager to cooperate with Israel are Kurdish nationalists and they are against the ongoing process. Just check twitter to see the ongoing disputes between Kurdish nationalists, PKK suporters and KDP supporters. Sometimes I feel sad about our people's ignorance about our enemies.

Anyways commonalities of Islamist:

Support PKK
Sayin APO
Turkiyeli .. Turks do not exist.
Hates Azerbaijan calls them non-Turks

The problem is Islamist.

Show us a single "islamist" that supports PKK, says "sayın Apo" and rejects the existence of Turks. I'm begging you to show me who that person is.

Btw, Karabagh was saved by the "islamist" government, with the drones they produced, generals they appointed and plans they made.
(I don't think current Turkish state is islamist btw. I'm just countering your imaginary islamist problem.)

 

[Corvus]

I would rather call myself patriotic rather than a nationalist.

So you are not a nationalist? I'm confused.

If you think nation state is the right form of political order, you are a nationalist by definition.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

1) I'm not against NATO.
2) We gain a lot by by being in the Mecca Alliance (such as a nuclear umbrella against Israel) and it is just the beginning. If it is all about gains and we are going to gain, would you be ok with this alliance?


3) Speak for yourself. You are not a spokesman for the Turks.
4) What gave you the idea that a defensive pact means dying for the others? I'm struggling to believe someone can have such low comprehension skills.


5) I don't represent any "people" here. I don't know what imaginary group you are involving me in.
6) Nobody wants to die for the others and that's not an alliance is.

All the "ideas" you have is based on imaginary enemies, cartoonish slogans and empty rhetorics. I would suggest you to read some international press and academic sources to save yourself from the tiny echo chamber you think is the world.

You are the one stuck in your own echo chamber lad, you have no idea for the hatred towarda islamism and arabs in Turkey.

You can go and die for saudi oil turkish youth won’t like it or not.

 

[Corvus]

Well the pact has Israel and Iran butthurt.

You forgot another certain group.

People who think they are "Turkists" but are nothing like their ancestors; full of a deep inferiority complex, driven by nationalist rhetoric, and so stuck in their own ignorant echo chamber that they mistake it for the truth. Many examples can be seen in this forum.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

Well Turks conquered half of the world, alongside with Constantinople, had its peak in every metric imaginable and established one of the greatest empires of the history using that drug. You must hate Turks if you are against this.

So did the hunnic empire mate, what are you trying to say? Turks don't need a religion to conquer others.

 

[Corvus]

You are the one stuck in your own echo chamber lad, you have no idea for the hatred towarda islamism and arabs in Turkey.

You can go and die for saudi oil turkish youth won’t like it or not.

Could you answer the questions I asked you?

Or you have no answers?