TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[mehmed beg]

Islam is one hell of a drug

Just pumps out mercenaries for Arabs and destroys the host country's language and culture

I bet Jews see most Muslims as the ultimate goy

Yes , Mehmed II , Baybars , Alaudin Khiljji,Suleyman , Ulug Bey , Enver Pasha or Fevzi Cakmak were all under the influence of that drug.
I remember, a few months ago, you were dreaming of Turkifing Arabs.
I have never noticed any consistency in idea in your type of people. The only consistency is the hate for the religion that many great Turkic leaders were very devout to.
Hence as I said before, this* nationalism" is only facade.
I am sure that given the opportunity, your type will behave in the same manner as Iranian opposition.
Practically, I am waiting for " Look how it looked in the 70s".
I am religious but not really Islamist and during the years that I was in this forum, I explained myself pretty clearly and I have various ideas, but you and your type? What exactly do you stand for? Like European so called patriots, who in infantile manner look at real ancient history without understanding it? Oh , shall we talk about Yamnaya now? Like some American has any connection to that?
Or Anglo Saxons talking and the Romans? Anyone in my opinion who's a Protestant can't be truly pro European, as soon as you turn again the Roman idea , you ain't pro European. So that hybrid called Yudeo Christian culture really do exist, thank to the mindless people.
By the way, why sudden "Anti Zionism". I have never seen you express that idea in the threads dedicated to that.
I am against this so called alliance, but I can list the reasons, it is different subject to others so it would differ in context. But you or similar to you????
You have said the same thing over hundred times, no???
I get it , you hare Islam, why do you need to repeat it or is it that the only idea that you have, of course packaged in some pathetic sentimentalism?
Well, just say what happened to that idea to Turkify the Arabs and be Empire again?
Well if you want it , then some people need to die for that idea?
Pretty logical??? Or not?

 

[I_Love_F16]

I seriously wonder what type of childhood brainwashing you'd need in order to want to die for Arabs without a second thought.

I remember a post here, but forgot who posted it. Basically the post in question stated that people who believes in some sort of Muslim unity (the Ummah) don’t understand the concept of a sovereign nation with it’s own borders. They want to unit all the Muslim countries under the same umbrella, and for that to happen you’ll have to completely erase the concept of nations and borders, so in essence the state. And if you are against these view they just call you a nationalist like above.

 

[TurkWolf]

Yes , Mehmed II , Baybars , Alaudin Khiljji,Suleyman , Ulug Bey , Enver Pasha or Fevzi Cakmak were all under the influence of that drug.
I remember, a few months ago, you were dreaming of Turkifing Arabs.
I have never noticed any consistency in idea in your type of people. The only consistency is the hate for the religion that many great Turkic leaders were very devout to.
Hence as I said before, this* nationalism" is only facade.
I am sure that given the opportunity, your type will behave in the same manner as Iranian opposition.
Practically, I am waiting for " Look how it looked in the 70s".
I am religious but not really Islamist and during the years that I was in this forum, I explained myself pretty clearly and I have various ideas, but you and your type? What exactly do you stand for? Like European so called patriots, who in infantile manner look at real ancient history without understanding it? Oh , shall we talk about Yamnaya now? Like some American has any connection to that?
Or Anglo Saxons talking and the Romans? Anyone in my opinion who's a Protestant can't be truly pro European, as soon as you turn again the Roman idea , you ain't pro European. So that hybrid called Yudeo Christian culture really do exist, thank to the mindless people.
By the way, why sudden "Anti Zionism". I have never seen you express that idea in the threads dedicated to that.
I am against this so called alliance, but I can list the reasons, it is different subject to others so it would differ in context. But you or similar to you????
You have said the same thing over hundred times, no???
I get it , you hare Islam, why do you need to repeat it or is it that the only idea that you have, of course packaged in some pathetic sentimentalism?
Well, just say what happened to that idea to Turkify the Arabs and be Empire again?
Well if you want it , then some people need to die for that idea?
Pretty logical??? Or not?

Our Islamists are celebrating the fact we're about to let PKK terrorists that happen to be extremely pro Zionist by the way to walk freely in our streets. How exactly do you expect people to react to this?

They're "Islamists" "Muslims" call them whatever you want.. but they all seem to celebrate our enemies... so many will lash out and say things that might come across "xenophobic" but thats a natural reaction.

Also why do you always bring up Europeans into every argument? Why do we care if Anglos like Muslims or not. Why do we care if Europeans are this or that? I get the feeling you just hate Europeans and want an excuse to bash them .. or am I missing something?

Anyways commonalities of Islamist:

They hate Ataturk
Support PKK
Sayin APO
Turkiyeli .. Turks do not exist.
"Keske Yunan won"
Hates Azerbaijan calls them non-Turks
Osmanli torunu .. as if other Turkish dynasties empires didn't exist?

The problem is Islamist.

 

[Afif]

Folks, why don't you keep religious discussion away from foreign policy thread?

Turkiye can either become an isolationist middle power or grow more than that by forming mutually beneficial alliances. So far, this alliance between Pak, Turkiye and KSA seems mutually beneficial as each bring set of strength that can complement each other and develop redundancy.

If isolationism works better to deal with Türkiye's geopolitical and security problems, then sure pull out of it. Otherwise, hating on this pact just because of Islam or Arab ethnicity of KSA is dumb.

 

[Tonyukuk]

Folks, why don't you keep religious discussion away from foreign policy thread?

Turkiye can either become an isolationist middle power or grow more than that by forming mutually beneficial alliances. So far, this alliance between Pak, Turkiye and KSA seems mutually beneficial as each bring set of strength that can complement each other and develop redundancy.

If isolationism works better to deal with Türkiye's geopolitical and security problems, then sure pull out of it. Otherwise, hating on this pact just because of Islam or Arab ethnicity of KSA is dumb.

There is much to gain from partnership with Pakistan.

But if you need to know why people are frustrated, it's because Saudi Arabia is just a giant CIA project. Their dirty oil rich hands have caused ridiculous harm to the entire Muslim world.

Saudi's have their hands in Türkiye's internal affairs too, and they've done this since the 70s under western guidance. This is to remove the element of Turkish nationalism and replace it with an Arab-Kurdish-Turkish federation with Sunnism being the core identity.

I'm sure you're smart and open minded enough to realise how dangerous this is to Türkiye's existence. And yes it has made a lot of us anti-Islamic. This won't stop anytime soon.

If you read US intelligence documents from decades ago, they state that they want to remove the Kemalist military and replace it with a "mild Islamic regime". I don't need to say anything else.

 

[Barry]

Have many countries in NATO are actually able to fight?

You don't have a problem with Turks dying for the Westerners I guess?

Why is it ok that we are allied with Greece, Germany and dozens of useless European countries but not ok with the countries and peoples that we actually share a common cultural background?

During our National Struggle, Indian Muslims sold their bracelets to be able to send it to us in our fight against the infidels. Which western nation would do such a thing?

You've guessed wrong and have put words in my mouth, big man.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This thread is Turkish Foreign Policy and Geoplolitics thread.

Foreign nationals are welcome to ask questions and add their piece of mind as long as it does not interfere with the way the tread is used by Turkish nationals/residents.
So I would ask members to be more careful when posting in threads other their own national forums.

 

[Huelague]

Why not Iran to,that would fuck up US Israeli ambitions?

I would go one step ahead. Without Iran , it will not have the necessary meaning and peace policy and enforcement.

 

[Huelague]

And the same muslims destroyed our entire contingent during the WW1, Turks have no obligation to muslims because they sold some gold stuff and sent the money, soviets gave us artillery pieces should we parrot the same thing like you? "During national struggle russians gave us weapons!!!"

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend, muslims won't die for you just like westerners keep that ottomanism dreams alive while living in italy

Don’t come up with the same stupid arguments . Arab did this Arabs done that. Grow up. Take off complexes and your aversion against Arabs. State institutions and interests doesn’t work that way. If even Germans and Jews can be “friends”, we should be able to be partners with Arabs.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Interesting article...

Israel's New Defense Shield: The Mecca Pact - SyriacPress

By Suphi Aksoy On 7 August, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey signed the Mecca Joint Defense Agreement. This alliance, which will carry out a variety of tasks, will also include other countries in the future. Discussions and efforts to establish a Sunni military structure have been ongoing for...

syriacpress.com

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

Don’t come up with the same stupid arguments . Arab did this Arabs done that. Grow up. Take off complexes and your aversion against Arabs. State institutions and interests doesn’t work that way. If even Germans and Jews can be “friends”, we should be able to be partners with Arabs.

Truth hurts

 

[Corvus]

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend

The absurdity of claiming to be a nationalist while insisting that Turkey is “Western” shows a tragic identity crisis. You have to be ignorant of an extraordinary number of historical, cultural, and civilizational realities at the same time to arrive at such a cartoonishly wrong conclusion.

What I see in you, and in certain parts of Turkish society, is precisely this identity crisis: a rejection of our actual heritage, culture, and history in an attempt to identify with a civilization against which we spent much of our history defining ourselves. There is a deep contradiction in trying to call this nationalism while simultaneously distancing oneself from the very historical and cultural foundations that shaped Turkish identity.

I call this the Turkish tragedy: the desire to belong to an enemy civilization by denying much of what made us who we are.

 

[Ryder]

And the same muslims destroyed our entire contingent during the WW1, Turks have no obligation to muslims because they sold some gold stuff and sent the money, soviets gave us artillery pieces should we parrot the same thing like you? "During national struggle russians gave us weapons!!!"

Like it or not Turkey is a Western country my dear sunniyeli friend, muslims won't die for you just like westerners keep that ottomanism dreams alive while living in italy

Hahaha I live in a Western country by the way go to any Australian say that Turkiye is a European and Western country they will laugh at your face.

 

[Corvus]

Turks gain a lot by being in NATO. Can you deny this?

1) I'm not against NATO.
2) We gain a lot by by being in the Mecca Alliance (such as a nuclear umbrella against Israel) and it is just the beginning. If it is all about gains and we are going to gain, would you be ok with this alliance?

Turks do not want to die for westerners or for Islamist. We only want to die for our own kin. Same as the Europeans, Asians, Chinese, Arabs and so on.

3) Speak for yourself. You are not a spokesman for the Turks.
4) What gave you the idea that a defensive pact means dying for the others? I'm struggling to believe someone can have such low comprehension skills.

But , for you people, it's "racist" for Turks to not want to die for Arabs/Islamist?

5) I don't represent any "people" here. I don't know what imaginary group you are involving me in.
6) Nobody wants to die for the others and that's not an alliance is.

All the "ideas" you have is based on imaginary enemies, cartoonish slogans and empty rhetorics. I would suggest you to read some international press and academic sources to save yourself from the tiny echo chamber you think is the world.

 

[Ryder]

The absurdity of claiming to be a nationalist while insisting that Turkey is “Western” reveals a profound identity crisis. You have to be ignorant of an extraordinary number of historical, cultural, and civilizational realities at the same time to arrive at such a cartoonishly wrong conclusion.

What I see in you, and in certain parts of Turkish society, is precisely this identity crisis: a rejection of our actual heritage, culture, and history in an attempt to identify with a civilization against which we spent much of our history defining ourselves. There is a deep contradiction in trying to call this nationalism while simultaneously distancing oneself from the very historical and cultural foundations that shaped Turkish identity.

I call this the Turkish tragedy: the desire to belong to an enemy civilization by denying much of what made us who we are.

He also has a picture of Arkan. Arkan's atrocities makes isis even israel look like school children.

Not to mention all those Serb militias in the Yugoslav wars called themselves Turk hunters.

100% this is Manomed who got banned here so many times.

 

[Corvus]

I seriously wonder what type of childhood brainwashing you'd need in order to want to die for Arabs without a second thought.

Who is talking about dying for Arabs? This is an actual question. Please show me a single person in the whole internet advocating this.

Arabs are the minority of the current Mecca Alliance btw. There are 7 times more Pakistanis and 3 times more Turks than Arabs.

A person having no problem with allying Greece thinks allying with Pakistanis and Saudis is "dying for the Arabs". Maybe you should take a look at a mirror to see who is the brain washed.

 

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[Ryder]

Who is talking about dying for Arabs? This is an actual question. Please show me a single person in the whole internet advocating this.

Arabs are the minority of the current Mecca Alliance btw. There are 7 times more Pakistanis and 3 times more Turks than Arabs.

A person having no problem with allying Greece thinks allying with Pakistanis and Saudis is "dying for the Arabs". Maybe you should take a look at a mirror to see who is the brain washed.

Well the pact has Israel and Iran butthurt.

I think thats a genuine win in foreign policy. Saudi Arabia most likely wanted this pact because of their weakness against the UAE.

 

[Corvus]

Interesting article...

Israel's New Defense Shield: The Mecca Pact - SyriacPress

By Suphi Aksoy On 7 August, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey signed the Mecca Joint Defense Agreement. This alliance, which will carry out a variety of tasks, will also include other countries in the future. Discussions and efforts to establish a Sunni military structure have been ongoing for...

syriacpress.com

"It poses no threat to Israel and clears the way for more Abraham Accords."

An article that is written by someone who clearly doesn't follow Israel at all. He could at least use an AI tool to make a summary of negative statements coming out from the Israeli politicians and the press about the issue.

 

[Corvus]

Islam is one hell of a drug

Just pumps out mercenaries for Arabs and destroys the host country's language and culture

I bet Jews see most Muslims as the ultimate goy

Well Turks conquered half of the world, alongside with Constantinople, had its peak in every metric imaginable and established one of the greatest empires of the history using that drug. You must hate Turks if you are against this.