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She is crazy. She supports the Iran-backed Houthis getting arms to fight the Saudis, complains the Saudi invasion, Supports Hamas fighting back against Israel with rockets, complains about the zionist bombings of Gaza. Yet when Putin wants to invade most of Europe, she is opposed to sending arms to have the Ukrainians fight to defend the whole of Europe.

Her mind would be blown if she found out that Putin was buddies with the conservative party. That Mi6 has at least looked the other way and at most has had very disturbing relations with key putin allies.




Her mind would be blown if she found out that France and other EU nations have been arming the Russians despite sanctions. And that Le Pen's main mission is for a revised Franco-Russian alliance. To normalize Putinism. Which is in the works in Europe.



You think the secret Macron-Putin love affair is bad enough


With Le Pen, France is out the the closet and openly expresses love of Putin.


Her mind would be blown if she knew the depth of the relationship between putin and trump.

trump was Russian mob associate connected going back to the 80s and before





So why doesn't the US take out these Russian criminals. They won't, the cia has been allied with these criminals since the 50s. This Putin move is the designed take out of the enemies of the cia, which is the rival of the trump deepstate - the takeout of the EU.

Not a single famous "anti-deepstater" has put all this together. Snowden, Webb, Corbett, Assange... fell for Putin and are having their dumb followers support Putin do the final solution to the European Union. The cia distracts you with "fake resets". Putin and fellow putinites of trump supporters are the tool of the cia for the Great Reset. China has joined this mission to punish what Chinese view as "white Europeans", to destroy their white lands. Read the comments on different defense forums, Chinese are giddy about "white Europeans suffering". When Europe did not seek to punish China for an outbreak, when Italian scientists sided with China, when Europe helped make China the manufacturing hub of the globe. China pays back the EU with siding with trump and putin to destroy Europe. Never forget that. EU did not side with trump to destroy China militarily. China drew first blood on Europe. We defeated trump and could have had a century of peace, no China wanted the EU in rubble because China supports Putin goals and Putin lies about NATO threatening Russia. Did the EU invade and occupy land from Georgia, Ukraine. Chinese CCP support Putin, who is worse than trump. Putin has a history of genocide and warmongering. And China supports that 100%. Never forget, China drew first blood.

If Ukraine does not defend Europe successfully, this could be next:


Her mind would be blown if she knew that the enemies of Palestine decided to attack Ukraine and that Putin is not some teddy bear, that Putin is the worst of the worst, friend of NATO warmongers in the Middle East (Berlusconi, Bush, Trump, Blair). Putin's Chabad rabbi says the Kremlin and Netanyahu/Bennet are on the phone every single day coordinating the handling of the MENA for shared goals.

The destruction of the European Union is the main mission of this whole operation of Putin. Territorial expansionism and resource stealing are two other main objectives. The crown jewels are the destruction of the European Union. And this crazy woman believes trump and Le Pen and the conservative party and Putin are "fighting the deepstate", when Putin is the deepest of the deepstate.



Boris Yeltsin was handled by dozens of US agents from the US, who were believe to be cia assets or agents.


Medvedev said Yeltsin did not win the 1996 election. US at least interfered in the election. At most rigged it. If the US controlled the Kremlin and Putin did not out this and was hand picked to protect Yeltsin in not sending Yeltsin to jail for selling the nation to Oligarchs then Putin was in on it with Yeltsin, which means Putin was in on it with the dozens of US agents in the Kremlin. The faction in the US that controls Putin, is the same faction in the US that controls trump, that infiltrated the conservative party of the UK. That supports Le Pen. It is the end of neo-liberalism. And a dark future of Putinism.

If your father donated land to Russian Chabad, you get installed into the White House.


Putin's rabbi and closest economic partners are Chabad. The Bush cia is Chabad connected. Chabad is as Bush connected as the Bush Carlyle Group.


If your father defended the leader of the Russian mob, you get to be a US politician, protected by the media and deepstate of Russian mob and other organized criminals.

https://twitter.com/QuirkyGrrrl/status/1510833823063453701

She does not believe she can be fooled, so she is the worst sort of fools.

This war is the coup of the century. The goal is Putin allies and puppets around the globe.

So what is this about, why is putin, trump, MI6, cia and other criminal mob supporting the destruction of the EU.

E Michael Jones, another crazy putinite, gathers factual documented info about state of affairs, and arrives at the wrong conclusions. One important piece of evidence that was found is that for over 50 years, the cia has hated the idea of a unified Europe. This is mentioned in discussions of the book Slaughter of Cities. Catholic political power in the US was being destroyed by cia objectives, this is documented. And the formation of the EU during this period freaked out the cia. EU is the real multi-polar world. The EU is an alternative world to the endless wars of the usual suspects. E Michael Jones supports Putin, does not realize Putin is a double agent.

The way you get promoted in this rigged game is connections. Half of the conservatives on the Supreme Court are from the Bush Legal Team that stole the election in 2000.


You think Big Tech opposes Putin, Big Tech has dark money politics controlling them


If you are corrupt Bush Carlyle Group Associate, trump promotes you to Chair the Federal Reserve.

I'll discuss French politics here.

To make a long story short... that Irish pro-Palestine "lady" who supports Putin in the video on the other thread goes along with my long documented statements above. The US pushed the Soviet Union to collapse, infiltrated the Russian Federation during the presidency of Boris Yeltsin, used Chabad puppet Putin to lead the resistance in the West so the duped by Putin, such as that Irish lady, fall for Putin; believing Putin to be the resistance who is going to stop Boris Johnson, Farage, Le Pen and Donald Trump. When Putin works for those "leaders" and vice versa. This is the death of neo-liberalism vs neo-liberalism in politics. And the new era of neo-nationalists vs neo-nazis vs neo-authoritarians. It is managed to that end, because too many found out about the corruption of politicians. So they are morphing into trumpesque "neo-populist" candidates. End of neo-liberalism, and the beginning of trump and putinism. This is something the far left or as the BBC calls them, the hard left... have zero clue about this. Mélenchon supporters believe Le Pen is simply some random neo-fascist or populist who is sick of the corruption in politics and not getting this done. No, Le Pen is deeper than the deepstate of France of Macron. And the hard left voters who vote for Le Pen in the second round believe that voting for Le Pen is a vote against the globalization of Davos, are completely fooled. The true face of Davos is Le Pen, Trump and Putin. Neo-liberalism and liberty are there to make money for corporations and to con you into supporting corrupt Davos politicians. The Western Davos Oligarchs would want to have Le Pen and Trump and Putin. Such a dark future of censorship and reign of terror to cover the crimes of looting the poor as there is in Russia would be welcome to Davos billionaires. Putinism and Trumpism is the dark future promoted and the death of liberty starts with trump, le pen and putin.

Trump leads an insurrection, commits treason, is connected to organized crime, abuses women, and the list goes on and on... and Republicans are scared of trump because Dems, CNN and MSNBC cover for trump. Any non-Russian Mafia connected politician would not last 5 minutes in politics, if that person did a tiny fraction of Trump's crimes.


Putin's Russia is much worse. In the US we have freedom of speech for now. Yet mafias and criminals run Washington. This info has to get to Mélenchon supporters to not vote for a putinite. That Putin is a fake populist. That trump is a fake populist. And so is Le Pen.

Each anti-EU far leftists who profess solidarity with Le Pen. Le Pen does not want a union with Liberal Germany, Liberal Greece and Liberal Italy. Le Pen wants an alliance with Putin. If France was in a union with Russia, Le Pen would not want to leave that union. No Frexit. So the far leftists must know what they are supporting with a Le Pen vote.
 
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At the political extremes, they start to resemble each other on far-left and far-right....give me the power, trust no one else, extreme identity politics etc.

It is more a horseshoe than a linear line. (Though IMO, its more complicated than even that, but still that is illustrative enough its not a straight line).

This is why you see many communists and fascists (and both of their mouthbreathing lackeys/useful idiots) both giving support to Putin + Russia right now....as much as they go through the predictable motions that they are so different in whatever way.
Well familiar with the horseshoe theory, it was just a bit weird to me that she gets called a communist here. But I guess you're right, yes.
 

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Well familiar with the horseshoe theory, it was just a bit weird to me that she gets called a communist here. But I guess you're right, yes.

Yah she is not communist, but could easily pose as one with a few alterations in official wording/ideology I suppose. I think thats what the poster was somewhat hinting at in jest (though not sure)

Essentially (often) if you take a communist or staunch socialist and you prioritise another identity struggle (ethnicity etc) instead of class struggle...they become a fascist.

They do not go through the middle (of political spectrum) at all.

Bifstek Nazis et al. Even Hitler spawned large parts of his ~ ww1 era ideology from the left (of the time) arguably (certainly his participation in the bavarian "soviet" republic and appearance at Eisner's funeral procession suggest so)....along with the origin and (supposed) later repurposing of the associated (Marxist SPD affiliated) freikorps (and where those left-ideologue leaders would find their places hand in glove like in the downstream nazi hierarchy - when their first "leader" was effectively SPD's Noske).

Of course the biggest giveaway is the very inclusion of "Socialism" in National Socialism. This is of course very contentious debate among historians on this (often biased by their own current socio-political leanings).

It is how lot of anti-semitism for example seeped and established into the left and far left initially to begin with as certain ethnicities were correlated with certain classes (in their thinking) and thus became reductive collective targets on even the "class" basis. Hitler was able to harness this in various ways to implant this more intensely if you will in National Socialism.

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Coming back to Le Pen, she has toned down lot of her earlier stances (she already put some distance between her and her father who was pretty much outright anti-semitic fascist)....and this has led to lot of right-wing vote capture and also populist reactionary vote capture than before.

I do not trust her though like anyone that's been on the extreme in established political career/effort...and then "toning" down to vote capture and broaden etc (just as much as I dislike those that start more mainstream and then pander to extremes to capture votes there).

But I can see why her popularity has increased in the last few years (if French opinion polling is correct on this).

Let us see how it goes in 2nd round....I still expect Macron to win.
 

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The oligarchs are using these putin "populists" (trump, le pen) to get their headquarters of US, France, UK out of EU or NATO, to abandon Europe to Russian invasion.


The oligarchs control politics too.

trump had pre-knowledge of a Russian invasion of Europe before hand, and warned NATO to increase their defense spending, so when the US ditched NATO, trump would say it is Europe's fault it is occupied by Russia.



trump suggests NATO to double defense, because trump planned to leave.


This is what the trump clan does, plans to do something nefarious and warns about the necessity of a solution - have Europe increase defense budget. And then when disaster strikes because of trump leaving NATO and putin invading NATO Europe. trump says le pen and trump are not to blame, neither is their buddy putin. trump blames NATO for not spending more on defense. When this was 100% planned by trump team and putin.

The same is happening with this inflation. The objective of the oligarchs is to have inflation.


Tucker Carlson pulled a trump, knowing that the oligarchs plan to switch to bitcoin after a euro and dollar collapse, tucker told trump supporters to buy bitcoin that it is the only safe protection from a dollar collapse. And CNBC is joining this. The oligarchs want this inflation, because the alt dollar of choice of the trump oligarchs is bitcoin.

Le Pen is at the center of abandoning Europe to Putin.

NATO and the EU built a safe and prosperous Europe. That is being discarded for Putinism. That is what the second round vote is about. Where does France stand in this struggle to defend civilization.
 
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If I was going to 'save the west' it would be very simple. The west has three problems demographics, debt and imperial overspending. Basically what causes all empires to fall in the end. So first you retreat from the empire, your re-write the debts or pay them off, then you increase native birthrates and deport millions of foreign peoples from the west. With that the west will be much more inventive and have more money to spend on real stuff, and have more people. The west has all and land/energy/food/minerals it needs, it doesn't need an Empire. The British needed the empire, the west with North America/Australia/Canada/New Zealand doesn't need any of that stuff. And here we come to the overall point the English world, and the European peninsular and East Asia are three different things. East asia can't do anything for itself, Europe has man power but no resources, the English world has everything it needs, but lacks the man power.

So the USA being in control of the west is a huge problem, and I hope the French can elect Le Pen and she will re-direct France away from the US and into French interests. Which are broad interests and very independent, which would be great for Britain. We love nothing more than fighting the French and trying to stop them dominating Europe.
 

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58% to 42%....is the projection thats come out that will be shortly confirmed by the final counting.

That is lot more comfy win for Macron than opinion polls had @Vergennes
 

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