Free speech and threat to security of state.

[Saithan]

Hits on lot of what I'm saying (NSFW language present):

The problem starts when media is allowed to be owned by one or few people.

I remember watching a documentary where a billionaire supported Hulk Hogan and his persuit of justice against news agencies where the vulnerability of news and local news were displayed as they were pretty much dependent on income from ads and such.

I found an article on it, but I wish I could have posted the documentary as it was pretty good as I recall it.

How Hulk Hogan v. Gawker May Change the Face of Journalism - JSTOR Daily

The recent Gawker vs. Hogan spat is the latest in the long history of journalism, free speech, gossip, and the law.

daily.jstor.org

I don't think that there are real objective journalism as that would require the journalist to interview and get the POV of all involved parties (Shattered Glass, C.W. War and other excellent movies on journalism etc. https://pfauth.com/journalism/journalism-movies/ )

That leaves selective reporting and creative reporting and this brings us back to what has been mentioned above.

I don't think censorship is good at all, but to safeguard our freedom of speech it's necessary to have harsher guidelines for journalism because we're sorely in need of re-establishing trust in journalism.

 

[Nilgiri]

The problem starts when media is allowed to be owned by one or few people.

It is the public utility argument I made earlier.

We generally recognise the arguments for monopolies in the field of public utility....be they public or private owned.

i.e think of piped water, electricity and sanitation....it would be odd (and grossly inefficient/wasteful) to have dozens of the same infrastructure laid down to each home to have a more perfect competition for each consumer.

This is where "trust" then enters into the picture. This is where govt-intervention (w.r.t standards, legislation and even direct public ownership as the default) often steps in. In a way the govt itself is a monopoly ( a nation state has only one).

And thus lawyers (like I believe you are) and @Saiyan0321 will know w.r.t "Anti-trust" legislation....w.r.t corporate monopolies/oligopolies.

I think something definitely has to be done about the internet regarding this....there are unfair monopolies with gross consequences now occurring (and growing).

If it is done there, (private owned) mainstream media will fall in line too and hold themselves to more proper standards in order to compete (this was the whole original great thing about the internet when it was newer).

Right now its a game of them trying to get the same system ( they have on TV) into the internet by coercing the large names related to the internet. They are succeeding, its awful....but I think the blowback will mount over time...as it gets more and more blatant.

I don't think censorship is good at all, but to safeguard our freedom of speech it's necessary to have harsher guidelines for journalism because we're sorely in need of re-establishing trust in journalism.

This part again brings to question....who does the censorship? Surely not the govt? As an engineer I think past the theory you see....I look at the past application and current application too....and where the defects and flaws often lie there....needing strong constant re-evaluation if the top-down approach is valid over the bottom up one.

I again feel on these matters, its best harnessed by popular movements of individuals being cognisant to their rights (and the principles behind those rights).

The most developed countries generally have developed this recourse for its public in a very robust way. It is deeply tied to why they are most developed. But the cycles do take their time, since this is not a life-death matter and there is lot of conflation of principles (by valuing some short-term emotional triumph on some wedge or identity issue more).

 

[VCheng]

The most developed countries generally have developed this recourse for its public in a very robust way. It is deeply tied to why they are most developed. But the cycles do take their time, since this is not a life-death matter and there is lot of conflation of principles (by valuing some short-term emotional triumph on some wedge or identity issue more).

Sooner or later Section 230 will be reviewed by the courts.

 

[Nilgiri]

Sooner or later Section 230 will be reviewed by the courts.

Good morning!......and in case I don't see ya, Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight.

 

[VCheng]

Good morning!......and in case I don't see ya, Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight.

The Truman Show.

The present day social media giants will have their day of reckoning in the courts just like their telecom predecessors.

 

[Ardabas34]

I didnt read anything that was written here previously so I am sorry if it was discussed before:

This is my opinion.
Western civilization be it US, EU or whatever is quickly losing the virtues that characterised its advance. There is a constant hypocrasy on freedom of speech, democracy, humanitarian issues.

It seems like East Asia will be the new cradle of civilization in the following centuries.

If we(anywhere starting from Chinas west to Turkey) want to have a better position in this new conjuncture, we must start reading and fix our universities and education immediately.

 

[VCheng]

I didnt read anything that was written here previously so I am sorry if it was discussed before:

This is my opinion.
Western civilization be it US, EU or whatever is quickly losing the virtues that characterised its advance. There is a constant hypocrasy on freedom of speech, democracy, humanitarian issues.

It seems like East Asia will be the new cradle of civilization in the following centuries.

If we(anywhere starting from Chinas west to Turkey) want to have a better position in this new conjuncture, we must start reading and fix our universities and education immediately.

There is no immediate fix to universities and education. Fixes take decades and lots of effort and resources if they are to bear any fruit.

 

[Ardabas34]

There is no immediate fix to universities and education. Fixes take decades and lots of effort and resources if they are to bear any fruit.

Haha, you dont know Turkeys universities situations. There are many universities without profs. Most of the university rectors dont even have published articles. Erdogan made many ascend simply because of their partisan loyalty.
Turkey really took a bad route. We are busy converting our science high schools to imam hatips and eradicating evolution theory from curriculum at the moment.
This is the darkest period of our republic history with a huge gap. Brain drain is also serious.

 

[VCheng]

Haha, you dont know Turkeys universities situations. There are many universities without profs. Most of the university rectors dont even have published articles. Erdogan made many ascend simply because of their partisan loyalty.
Turkey really took a bad route. We are busy converting our science high schools to imam hatips and eradicating evolution theory from curriculum at the moment.
This is the darkest period of our republic history with a huge gap. Brain drain is also serious.

Things are not that different in Pakistan these days either.