TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[what]

just my 2cents: by adding pure speculation you're harming your otherwise nice infographics and maps

 

[Zafer]

just my 2cents: by adding pure speculation you're harming your otherwise nice infographics and maps

The Naval version addition is reported on some news as words of TUSAŞ CEO, not my speculation. Other possibilities are mentioned as probable and possible based on what other countries have done in the past like showing interest towards the Korean LCA plane which shows that they wanted to have such a plane at some point in time. Isn't it better than just reporting what has already happened, painting the whole picture rather than showing parts of it.

You are underrating my efforts to add more value to the presentation by saying it is pure speculation while I spent my time to find out who needs a Hürjet class plane and may have access to Hürjet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934620801413664894

 

[Zafer]

In an interview TAI CEO stated that Hürjet will be able to do 80% of the missions an F16 can. So once fitted with the expected Baykar engine Hürjet can do a good job serving smaller air forces. However future planes using single Kaan engine and twin Hürjet engines are possible while not in sight just yet. So this can change the fighter sales outlook in the next couple of decades.

 

[Sanchez]

TAI is gaining a partner nation and an industry giant to further develop the platform. If Spain puts the 25 aircraft order that's mentioned, we should remember that Spain will have the largest Hürjet order on the books, not TurAF and that makes sure whatever TurAF ends up doing, Hürjet remains a viable project financially. TAI doesn't have the experience Airbus or Leonardo have in creating, maintaining and operating the training system that is needed for these aircraft by itself. Spain wants industry participation as it needs its own companies to make money and thrive.

Production model is not yet made public. I've seen reported that at least some of the Spanish Hürjets would still be built by TAI to Spanish specifications. We don't know if this is a Spain specific model with Spanish subsystems or a larger redesign that will be different than Hürjet to warrant a new classification.

The Ministry of Defense will invest 1.375 billion euros in the Air Force's new advanced trainer and expects the first aircraft in 2028.​

Robles has insisted on the "Spanishness" of the aircraft, which is the result of a co-development with the Turkish company TAI based on the Hürjet but with national design authority.

The Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles , reported this Friday, before the Senate Defense Committee, on the new program for the advanced trainer aircraft of the Air and Space Force, which seeks to replace the F-5M , based on the Hürjet aircraft of the Turkish company TAI , but which will be a co-development between the Spanish and Turkish industries thanks to a bilateral program.

According to the minister, the entire program will have an investment of €1.375 billion, which will allow for "the development and acquisition of training capabilities for our pilots, with an air segment of between 28 and 30 aircraft for the training and flight mission."

Robles reported that the first six aircraft will be received in 2028 and the remaining ones in 2029, reaching a total of 18. The national GBTS will then be implemented so that the first versions of the aircraft will begin to arrive, "already Spanish-ized with the modifications that are agreed upon and which will include flight envelopes compatible with the fighters that will fly later, or the latest-generation avionics and information presentation systems configurable via software, allowing the transition to fifth and sixth generation fighters in the future."

The minister emphasized the significant impact the program will have on consolidating the defense technological and industrial base and the benefits it will generate here in Spain. In fact, she emphasized that "although the basis is the Turkish aircraft, the agreement aims to co-develop an advanced Spanish trainer aircraft with national design authority." She also highlighted the importance of developing the national GBTS ."

Defensa invertirá 1.375 millones en el nuevo entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y espera los primeros aviones en 2028

La ministra de Defensa, Margarita Robles, ha informado este viernes, ante la Comisión de Defensa del Senado, del nuevo programa del avión entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y el Espac ...

www.infodefensa.com

 

[Strong AI]

The Ministry of Defense will invest 1.375 billion euros in the Air Force's new advanced trainer and expects the first aircraft in 2028.​

Robles has insisted on the "Spanishness" of the aircraft, which is the result of a co-development with the Turkish company TAI based on the Hürjet but with national design authority.

The Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles , reported this Friday, before the Senate Defense Committee, on the new program for the advanced trainer aircraft of the Air and Space Force, which seeks to replace the F-5M , based on the Hürjet aircraft of the Turkish company TAI , but which will be a co-development between the Spanish and Turkish industries thanks to a bilateral program.

According to the minister, the entire program will have an investment of €1.375 billion, which will allow for "the development and acquisition of training capabilities for our pilots, with an air segment of between 28 and 30 aircraft for the training and flight mission."

Robles reported that the first six aircraft will be received in 2028 and the remaining ones in 2029, reaching a total of 18. The national GBTS will then be implemented so that the first versions of the aircraft will begin to arrive, "already Spanish-ized with the modifications that are agreed upon and which will include flight envelopes compatible with the fighters that will fly later, or the latest-generation avionics and information presentation systems configurable via software, allowing the transition to fifth and sixth generation fighters in the future."

The minister emphasized the significant impact the program will have on consolidating the defense technological and industrial base and the benefits it will generate here in Spain. In fact, she emphasized that "although the basis is the Turkish aircraft, the agreement aims to co-develop an advanced Spanish trainer aircraft with national design authority." She also highlighted the importance of developing the national GBTS ."

Defensa invertirá 1.375 millones en el nuevo entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y espera los primeros aviones en 2028

La ministra de Defensa, Margarita Robles, ha informado este viernes, ante la Comisión de Defensa del Senado, del nuevo programa del avión entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y el Espac ...

www.infodefensa.com

Isn't this cooporation basically a fail-safe regarding engine procurement for Hürjet?
I don't think USA will block engine sale to us but not to Spain.
And if they block the engines at all, wouldn't it be easier with Spain to find an alternative route?

 

[Khagan1923]

The Ministry of Defense will invest 1.375 billion euros in the Air Force's new advanced trainer and expects the first aircraft in 2028.​

Robles has insisted on the "Spanishness" of the aircraft, which is the result of a co-development with the Turkish company TAI based on the Hürjet but with national design authority.

The Minister of Defense, Margarita Robles , reported this Friday, before the Senate Defense Committee, on the new program for the advanced trainer aircraft of the Air and Space Force, which seeks to replace the F-5M , based on the Hürjet aircraft of the Turkish company TAI , but which will be a co-development between the Spanish and Turkish industries thanks to a bilateral program.

According to the minister, the entire program will have an investment of €1.375 billion, which will allow for "the development and acquisition of training capabilities for our pilots, with an air segment of between 28 and 30 aircraft for the training and flight mission."

Robles reported that the first six aircraft will be received in 2028 and the remaining ones in 2029, reaching a total of 18. The national GBTS will then be implemented so that the first versions of the aircraft will begin to arrive, "already Spanish-ized with the modifications that are agreed upon and which will include flight envelopes compatible with the fighters that will fly later, or the latest-generation avionics and information presentation systems configurable via software, allowing the transition to fifth and sixth generation fighters in the future."

The minister emphasized the significant impact the program will have on consolidating the defense technological and industrial base and the benefits it will generate here in Spain. In fact, she emphasized that "although the basis is the Turkish aircraft, the agreement aims to co-develop an advanced Spanish trainer aircraft with national design authority." She also highlighted the importance of developing the national GBTS ."

Defensa invertirá 1.375 millones en el nuevo entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y espera los primeros aviones en 2028

La ministra de Defensa, Margarita Robles, ha informado este viernes, ante la Comisión de Defensa del Senado, del nuevo programa del avión entrenador avanzado del Ejército del Aire y el Espac ...

www.infodefensa.com

So pretty much Hürjet with Spanish pieces and bits. Love the language used by the Minister of Defense though to convince the committee. Maybe this will help us sell Hürjet to other European countries, hopefully.

 

[TheInsider]

Yeah, it is a Hürjet with whatever Spain can provide.

 

[Oublious]

ther are interesting information when you read comments..

To put the point on the i. The Hurjet presented itself as an opportunity for the EA, in 2022 during a meeting at the international fair in Korea with the current president of Airbus Spain and myself. The options then were: T7 politically unviable, M-345 an aircraft with quite a few years that would hardly achieve the necessary development for the next 40/50 years, which is the lifespan of aircraft in the EA, the Korean T50 being a good option but with a distant and risky logistical chain, and the Hurjet a new aircraft that could last those 50 years with guarantees to implement future developments, with the more than likely option of "getting involved" in the development for our EA (as we are already seeing) and adapting it to our needs, and a long etcetera of strong points against a possible risk due to the lack of knowledge of the Turkish aerospace industry, a priori acceptable risk and thus it was decided in the upper echelons of the EA. From there, I do not get into political considerations nor...


This aircraft can be a real wildcard for the EdA, with its 404, Spanish avionics and systems, open software created and refined by Claex, laying the foundations for future needs, whether as a light fighter, naval, etc. Everything depends on the system meeting and exceeding expectations; as a trainer, it will have its qualities, but here we are talking about a versatile system, where it really earns to go further if needed, only time will answer those questions. The lack of information, the exotic nature of the system, and political influences make it logical to have certain reservations about this program, which still needs some time to see results. However, the participation of the Spanish industry gives me peace of mind; I don't think they will work on a poor foundation, and then the EdA's interest in this type of proposals, as stated by its chief, is open to proposals like the Boro.mae or the Kaan, without dismissing any other available options.

 

[what]

If even only every second € lands in the pockets of TAI, it could bring the Hürjet already close to break even. Even without bigger orders so far from our armed forces.