Defence Fair IDEF 2025 News & Discussion Updates

[Sanchez]

That's a big claim. UAE?

"The countdown has begun for the biggest export signature in the history of the Republic!
The official signatures for our national combat aircraft KAAN will be signed tomorrow at IDEF."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948823297526726714

 

[Sanchez]

I still think saudi, because they visited TAI facilities so many times and officially attendet KAAN rollout.

Yes but my mind goes to UAE because of the recent MBZ visit and that joint keeping of top secret info deal. Should be interesting.

 

[Radko]

My bet is still with KSA. Also KSA is much much better compared to UAE

 

[Sanchez]

My bet is still with KSA. Also KSA is much much better compared to UAE

Oh definitely, we should not sell Kaan or any other high importance item to UAE under any circumstances, they'll sell share its secrets to anyone as it's a country made up of expats and emirs that have too much free time on their hands and worse, they'll use it against us in another theater 10 years later. I don't see us ever truly being allies, by geopolitics, they should always go back and forth.

But, it is what it is.

 

[TR_123456]

Ah, I thought you guys were made because it was Kurdish run but that tracks.

''Nordic monitor'' not allowed,so you know.

 

[mTT]

 

[uçuyorum]

Do we have 3 ramjet air to air missile projects aiming for 180km+? As in roketsan + sage + msb arge

 

[mTT]

Armelsan Kaşif

Kaşif Catalog – Armelsan Savunma

armelsan.com

 

[mTT]

Do we have 3 ramjet air to air missile projects aiming for 180km+? As in roketsan + sage + msb arge

Tubitak Sage = GÖKHAN V1-V2
Roketsan = GÖKBORA (100nm & 186km)

 

[Radko]

Tubitak Sage = GÖKHAN V1-V2
Roketsan = GÖKBORA (100+mil & 160+km)

100nm=186km

 

[zio]

Altough longe range AA missiles are very effective against 4-4.5 gen fighters,it is not on 5th gen fighters,so medium range AA missiles around 50 miles will be enough for against 5th gen fighters,so you can carry more on board.Think a F-35 who carries two AA missiles and two AG missiles,when she faced enemy fighters and used one AA missiles,the pilot will be over pressure to use last AA missile.

 

[Sanchez]

There was a meeting between turkish and indonesian MoDs, published few minutes ago. But it can't be again a signing with indonesia. That doesn't make sense.

"(With Indonesia) We had already made our agreement, we will take the first step today, divided into phases"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1949012289526415433

 

[TR_123456]

View attachment 76680

Kaşif Catalog – Armelsan Savunma

armelsan.com

What is this,no explanation?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Altough longe range AA missiles are very effective against 4-4.5 gen fighters,it is not on 5th gen fighters,so medium range AA missiles around 50 miles will be enough for against 5th gen fighters,so you can carry more on board.Think a F-35 who carries two AA missiles and two AG missiles,when she faced enemy fighters and used one AA missiles,the pilot will be over pressure to use last AA missile.

As i know those long range air-air missiles use the airctaft radar to guide them + their own radar . But since 5 gen fighters are steath and at best can be foud on radar just at 30km than those air-air missiles are useless for advanced super steath 5gen fighter BUT there arw other types of missiles , the infrared ones that seek heat so the 5gen are not immune to them . The short range missiles are mostly infrared ones . So what if we produce the best long range IRST that can detect the heat of engines from 200km away and the best infrared long range missile with artificial inteligence that can bypass chaffs that those airctafts use to avoid them ?
Can IRST used to guide infrared missiles 200km away ?

 

[Huelague]

So no saudi, no uae?
Will be this agreement with indonesia at least legally binding, this time?

What about Azerbaijan and their satellite tender?

 

[Turkic]

MSB AR-GE head Nilüfer Kuzulu (Hayalet NEB):

We used 7m c50 concrete because test center (Tübitak SAGE test center) doesn't have place for more. 7m c50 concrete (including the steel in the concrete) is equal to 21m of c35 concrete. It would penetrate it if we could test it. (I was busy I missed the part here but I think she was still talking about the same test.)
We found it 600 meters away.
(More talk)
Hayalet is in serial production.

Also some datas were visible in the test footage of Hayalet penetrating 90m of rock. It was dropped at mach 0.9 and hit the ground at mach 1.2

 

[Turkic]

So we have a bomb with a penetration power of 1/3 of GBU-57's (60 meters). Maybe even more because data is limited to the test area's limits.

I hope they have plans for a 5,000 lb class penetrator so we can see if we can reach the penetration power of the GBU-57 with a bomb in the same class as the GBU-72 (able to penetrate 6 meters of concrete, according to Al Jazeera).

 

[Yasar_TR]

MSB AR-GE head Nilüfer Kuzulu (Hayalet NEB):

We used 7m c50 concrete because test center (Tübitak SAGE test center) doesn't have place for more. 7m c50 concrete (including the steel in the concrete) is equal to 21m of c35 concrete. It would penetrate it if we could test it. (I was busy I missed the part here but I think she was still talking about the same test.)
We found it 600 meters away.
(More talk)
Hayalet is in serial production.

Also some datas were visible in the test footage of Hayalet penetrating 90m of rock. It was dropped at mach 0.9 and hit the ground at mach 1.2

This is an interesting peace of munition.
Penetrating bombs use physics to go deep. As they are heavy and aerodynamic, they gain incredible speeds during their downward flight. A bomb like this can reach speeds of 500m/second (1.2-1.3 Mach) when it hits the ground as dictated by terminal velocity laws.
They rotate like a screw and their sharp nose goes through layers of rock and earth. But to have gone through 90 metres of earth is an unbelievable achievement.
They are most effective if they don’t penetrate the bunker as the shock wave of such an explosion in dense layers will create an effect similar to a torpedo exploding a metre or two below a destroyer. Because of this they are also called earthquake bombs.

How trustworthy is this newspaper is a question but;

Hayalet 90 metre derinliğe nüfuz etti! ABD’nin sığınak delici bombalarını geride bıraktı

Türk savunma sanayii, İran’ın nükleer tesislerine hayalet uçak B-2’lerle “sığınak delici” bombalar bırakan ABD savunma sanayiini geçti. 6 tonluk muadillerini 1 ton ağırlığı ile geride bırakan Hayalet Nüfuz Edici Bomba (NEB) yerin 90 metre derinliğine ulaştı.

www.turkiyegazetesi.com.tr

 

[TheInsider]

This is an interesting peace of munition.
Penetrating bombs use physics to go deep. As they are heavy and aerodynamic, they gain incredible speeds during their downward flight. A bomb like this can reach speeds of 500m/second (1.2-1.3 Mach) when it hits the ground as dictated by terminal velocity laws.
They rotate like a screw and their sharp nose goes through layers of rock and earth. But to have gone through 90 metres of earth is an unbelievable achievement.
They are most effective if they don’t penetrate the bunker as the shock wave of such an explosion in dense layers will create an effect similar to a torpedo exploding a metre or two below a destroyer. Because of this they are also called earthquake bombs.

How trustworthy is this newspaper is a question but;

Hayalet 90 metre derinliğe nüfuz etti! ABD’nin sığınak delici bombalarını geride bıraktı

Türk savunma sanayii, İran’ın nükleer tesislerine hayalet uçak B-2’lerle “sığınak delici” bombalar bırakan ABD savunma sanayiini geçti. 6 tonluk muadillerini 1 ton ağırlığı ile geride bırakan Hayalet Nüfuz Edici Bomba (NEB) yerin 90 metre derinliğine ulaştı.

www.turkiyegazetesi.com.tr

You don't need to trust the newspaper. There is real test footage and an interview with the project manager. We have a real force multiplier on our hands.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Whats their new air to air missile it looks like an aim 120 with IIR seeker. maybe a cheap missile against drones