Defence Fair IDEF 2025 News & Discussion Updates

[Strong AI]

Did OTOKAR sign anything this IDEF?

 

[Strong AI]

So basically TAI signed an official contract with Indonesian Airforce.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Altough longe range AA missiles are very effective against 4-4.5 gen fighters,it is not on 5th gen fighters,so medium range AA missiles around 50 miles will be enough for against 5th gen fighters,so you can carry more on board.Think a F-35 who carries two AA missiles and two AG missiles,when she faced enemy fighters and used one AA missiles,the pilot will be over pressure to use last AA missile.

As i know those long range air-air missiles use the airctaft radar to guide them + their own radar . But since 5 gen fighters are steath and at best can be foud on radar just at 30km than those air-air missiles are useless for advanced super steath 5gen fighter BUT there arw other types of missiles , the infrared ones that seek heat so the 5gen are not immune to them . The short range missiles are mostly infrared ones . So what if we produce the best long range IRST that can detect the heat of engines from 200km away and the best infrared long range missile with artificial inteligence that can bypass chaffs that those airctafts use to avoid them ?
Can IRST used to guide infrared missiles 200km away ?

 

[Huelague]

So no saudi, no uae?
Will be this agreement with indonesia at least legally binding, this time?

What about Azerbaijan and their satellite tender?

 

[Turkic]

MSB AR-GE head Nilüfer Kuzulu (Hayalet NEB):

We used 7m c50 concrete because test center (Tübitak SAGE test center) doesn't have place for more. 7m c50 concrete (including the steel in the concrete) is equal to 21m of c35 concrete. It would penetrate it if we could test it. (I was busy I missed the part here but I think she was still talking about the same test.)
We found it 600 meters away.
(More talk)
Hayalet is in serial production.

Also some datas were visible in the test footage of Hayalet penetrating 90m of rock. It was dropped at mach 0.9 and hit the ground at mach 1.2

 

[Turkic]

So we have a bomb with a penetration power of 1/3 of GBU-57's (60 meters). Maybe even more because data is limited to the test area's limits.

I hope they have plans for a 5,000 lb class penetrator so we can see if we can reach the penetration power of the GBU-57 with a bomb in the same class as the GBU-72 (able to penetrate 6 meters of concrete, according to Al Jazeera).

 

[Yasar_TR]

MSB AR-GE head Nilüfer Kuzulu (Hayalet NEB):

We used 7m c50 concrete because test center (Tübitak SAGE test center) doesn't have place for more. 7m c50 concrete (including the steel in the concrete) is equal to 21m of c35 concrete. It would penetrate it if we could test it. (I was busy I missed the part here but I think she was still talking about the same test.)
We found it 600 meters away.
(More talk)
Hayalet is in serial production.

Also some datas were visible in the test footage of Hayalet penetrating 90m of rock. It was dropped at mach 0.9 and hit the ground at mach 1.2

This is an interesting peace of munition.
Penetrating bombs use physics to go deep. As they are heavy and aerodynamic, they gain incredible speeds during their downward flight. A bomb like this can reach speeds of 500m/second (1.2-1.3 Mach) when it hits the ground as dictated by terminal velocity laws.
They rotate like a screw and their sharp nose goes through layers of rock and earth. But to have gone through 90 metres of earth is an unbelievable achievement.
They are most effective if they don’t penetrate the bunker as the shock wave of such an explosion in dense layers will create an effect similar to a torpedo exploding a metre or two below a destroyer. Because of this they are also called earthquake bombs.

How trustworthy is this newspaper is a question but;

Hayalet 90 metre derinliğe nüfuz etti! ABD’nin sığınak delici bombalarını geride bıraktı

Türk savunma sanayii, İran’ın nükleer tesislerine hayalet uçak B-2’lerle “sığınak delici” bombalar bırakan ABD savunma sanayiini geçti. 6 tonluk muadillerini 1 ton ağırlığı ile geride bırakan Hayalet Nüfuz Edici Bomba (NEB) yerin 90 metre derinliğine ulaştı.

www.turkiyegazetesi.com.tr

 

[TheInsider]

This is an interesting peace of munition.
Penetrating bombs use physics to go deep. As they are heavy and aerodynamic, they gain incredible speeds during their downward flight. A bomb like this can reach speeds of 500m/second (1.2-1.3 Mach) when it hits the ground as dictated by terminal velocity laws.
They rotate like a screw and their sharp nose goes through layers of rock and earth. But to have gone through 90 metres of earth is an unbelievable achievement.
They are most effective if they don’t penetrate the bunker as the shock wave of such an explosion in dense layers will create an effect similar to a torpedo exploding a metre or two below a destroyer. Because of this they are also called earthquake bombs.

How trustworthy is this newspaper is a question but;

Hayalet 90 metre derinliğe nüfuz etti! ABD’nin sığınak delici bombalarını geride bıraktı

Türk savunma sanayii, İran’ın nükleer tesislerine hayalet uçak B-2’lerle “sığınak delici” bombalar bırakan ABD savunma sanayiini geçti. 6 tonluk muadillerini 1 ton ağırlığı ile geride bırakan Hayalet Nüfuz Edici Bomba (NEB) yerin 90 metre derinliğine ulaştı.

www.turkiyegazetesi.com.tr

You don't need to trust the newspaper. There is real test footage and an interview with the project manager. We have a real force multiplier on our hands.

 

[Strong AI]

MSB AR-GE is cooking, quite literally

Wow

The test footage of GAZAP, the conventional aircraft bomb with the highest destructive power ever produced by Türkiye, has been revealed.

The thermobaric bomb GAZAP can penetrate an area of hundreds of square meters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1949098502417445331

 

[Pokemonte13]

Whats their new air to air missile it looks like an aim 120 with IIR seeker. maybe a cheap missile against drones

 

[Strong AI]

Whats their new air to air missile it looks like an aim 120 with IIR seeker. maybe a cheap missile against drones

The MSB R&D center has developed an air-to-air missile.
I couldn't get any information about its range from the booth attendant. It has an infrared seeker head.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948318570913403198

 

[boredaf]

MSB AR-GE is cooking, quite literally

We are eating really fucking well this year. Although, how is this the most destructive when it is MK 84? NEB itself is also Mk 84 and thermobaric, isn't it?

 

[Strong AI]

We are eating really fucking well this year. Although, how is this the most destructive when it is MK 84? NEB itself is also Mk 84 and thermobaric, isn't it?

In the video top left is something written like 10,16 particles per m^2, maybe that or because of the blast radius.
I don't know, but it is cool af.

 

[boredaf]

In the video top left is something written like 10,16 particles per m^2, maybe that or because of the blast radius.
I don't know, but it is cool af.

It certainly looks that way lol

 

[TheInsider]

MSB Arge ramjet shell doesn't have guidance so it is impractical for now. It achieved 130km in tests.
Air-to-air missile looks like a cost-effective solution. It should have a range of around 20km.
Wankel motor is a copy of the IAI Harpy/Harop's Wankel motor. It is for kamikaze drones. 38hp can reach 4500m altitude. It is not a direct competitor of TEI PG-50.

 

[Strong AI]

They should forbid our defence companies to use AI in their commercial videos. We have now a twin-engine Hürjet.

 

[Turkic]

They should forbid our defence companies to use AI in their commercial videos. We have now a twin-engine Hürjet.

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Same for Gökhan. There were 2 flames coming behind of it in some parts of the video

 

[hugh]

Was there any hardware of ŞİMŞEK-1 displayed at IDEF?

 

[Strong AI]

Was there any hardware of ŞİMŞEK-1 displayed at IDEF?

Afaik only ŞİMŞEK-2, but i am not sure.

 

[TheInsider]

Long video of MSB Arge 2000lb bunker buster NEB Hayalet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1949213568316096970